What to do with Bruce Brown

[Dalek]

OKC makes a lot of sense to me. They could use Brown's defense and corner shooting, and they like any type of secondary playmaking. Plus, the big factor is playoff experience which they need.

One blog had a perfect pitch for Bruce Brown:

Davis Bertrans
Aleks Pokusevski
2025 Phi FRP

Bertrans has two years on his deal and PO next year, but the 2024-25 season has only $5.25m is guaranteed of his $17m salary. Like how did Presti negotiate that?

Poku is a very mobile C and Serbian and at minimum is a fun project in a tank season.

2025 FRP is probably a 20s pick next year, but still that is going to help strengthen our assets in a good to great class.

[Steelo Green]

OKC is simply not going to make a move. They will eventually have to pay all these players and have no reason to take a B or C grade star when they can use those assets to get a superstar.

They can organically grow and wait until an actual superstar, not some top 25-30 player is available.

[Johnny Bball]

OKC is simply not going to make a move. They will eventually have to pay all these players and have no reason to take a B or C grade star when they can use those assets to get a superstar.

They can organically grow and wait until an actual superstar, not some top 25-30 player is available.

That is so short sighted. They are tied for first and have rookie salaries now that they can add salaries to without penalty and take a real shot. They are well past capped out in 2 years and have more picks than they will be able to use in the future. Its the same mistake that cost Danny Ainge his job with the Celtics.

[MessiahUjiri]

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The Warriors sit in 12th spot - outside the playoffs, but with an all time record salary situation. Here's a solution, where they ship out contracts, while upgrading their core championship odds for this year. Specifically, Bruce Brown makes sense for them because they retain flexibility with a Team Option on his contract for next year.


The Raptors will be absorbing the extra salaries via their TPE, while picking up some future assets. This works according to fanspo's trade machine.


A Wiggins + B Podz + G Payton (injured) + 2 2nds ('26 and '28 ATL)
for
Bruce Brown



The Warriors shed $14M in salary cap, which multiplies a lot when you factor in the Repeat Tax Multiplier savings. Based on rough math, they'll shed more than $30M in payouts here, while getting a legit guard who can play in their starting lineup and bench.



New Warriors:
Steph / CP3 / (Brown)
Brown / Moody
Klay / Kuminga
Draymond / TrayceJD
Looney / Saric




Wiggins is better than he's shown this year, and we'll hopefully refresh his scenery with a homecoming. Podz is 1st round pick who is a valuable PG/SG, and we also pickup 2 future 2nds.


New Raps:
Quickley / Schroder
Barrett / Podz / Trent
Wiggins / Dick
Scottie / Boucher
Poeltl / Porter?


^We can also replace Podz with Moody.

[gerrit4]

OKC makes a lot of sense to me. They could use Brown's defense and corner shooting, and they like any type of secondary playmaking. Plus, the big factor is playoff experience which they need.

One blog had a perfect pitch for Bruce Brown:

Davis Bertrans
Aleks Pokusevski
2025 Phi FRP

Bertrans has two years on his deal and PO next year, but the 2024-25 season has only $5.25m is guaranteed of his $17m salary. Like how did Presti negotiate that?

Poku is a very mobile C and Serbian and at minimum is a fun project in a tank season.

2025 FRP is probably a 20s pick next year, but still that is going to help strengthen our assets in a good to great class.

I think that's a reasonable deal, even though I'm not too high on Poku. If our FO doesn't see him as a prospect (and is just used as salary filler), then I'd want a bit more in the trade to take on the year of Bertans. I don't think a second first rounder is realistic, but a bunch of future seconds (OKC has a million second round picks) would help grease the wheels on that one.

[wherescomegys]

OKC is simply not going to make a move. They will eventually have to pay all these players and have no reason to take a B or C grade star when they can use those assets to get a superstar.

They can organically grow and wait until an actual superstar, not some top 25-30 player is available.

That is so short sighted. They are tied for first and have rookie salaries now that they can add salaries to without penalty and take a real shot. They are well past capped out in 2 years and have more picks than they will be able to use in the future. Its the same mistake that cost Danny Ainge his job with the Celtics.

They can actually do both. A Bruce Brown type of move doesn't prevent them from making a splash in the next two years.

[OakleyDokely]

OKC is simply not going to make a move. They will eventually have to pay all these players and have no reason to take a B or C grade star when they can use those assets to get a superstar.

They can organically grow and wait until an actual superstar, not some top 25-30 player is available.

That is so short sighted. They are tied for first and have rookie salaries now that they can add salaries to without penalty and take a real shot. They are well past capped out in 2 years and have more picks than they will be able to use in the future. Its the same mistake that cost Danny Ainge his job with the Celtics.

ya, when you have a shot to make the finals, you take that shot seriously because you never know what might happen in the future. Shai or Chet could suffer a major injury, another superteam could be formed etc. Doesn't mean they have to clog their cap or trade top young assets for a win now move, but packaging some lower end 1sts or prospects for immediate help isn't a bad idea.

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The Warriors sit in 12th spot - outside the playoffs, but with an all time record salary situation. Here's a solution, where they ship out contracts, while upgrading their core championship odds for this year. Specifically, Bruce Brown makes sense for them because they retain flexibility with a Team Option on his contract for next year.


The Raptors will be absorbing the extra salaries via their TPE, while picking up some future assets. This works according to fanspo's trade machine.


A Wiggins + B Podz + G Payton (injured) + 2 2nds ('26 and '28 ATL)
for
Bruce Brown



The Warriors shed $14M in salary cap, which multiplies a lot when you factor in the Repeat Tax Multiplier savings. Based on rough math, they'll shed more than $30M in payouts here, while getting a legit guard who can play in their starting lineup and bench.



New Warriors:
Steph / CP3 / (Brown)
Brown / Moody
Klay / Kuminga
Draymond / TrayceJD
Looney / Saric




Wiggins is better than he's shown this year, and we'll hopefully refresh his scenery with a homecoming. Podz is 1st round pick who is a valuable PG/SG, and we also pickup 2 future 2nds.


New Raps:
Quickley / Schroder
Barrett / Podz / Trent
Wiggins / Dick
Scottie / Boucher
Poeltl / Porter?


^We can also replace Podz with Moody.

I think the idea of a Wiggins for Brown trade (with some sort of sweetener) could make sense for the Warriors, as it gives them a better team this year, and cap savings for the future. It would probably save them like a hundred million dollars while also appeasing their vets somewhat.

That said, Brown's not a perfect fit (as he's not a great shooter, and that team lacks some shooting) and it seems like GSW has no interest in trading Moody/Podz/Kuminga. I also think that any future firsts (if unprotected or barely protected) would be very hard to get from Golden State, as they should be pretty terrible in a couple years if they don't luck out somewhere.

To my eyes, both the present and future of the Warriors is pretty bad. So I don't know what their plan is.

[Dalek]

OKC is simply not going to make a move. They will eventually have to pay all these players and have no reason to take a B or C grade star when they can use those assets to get a superstar.

They can organically grow and wait until an actual superstar, not some top 25-30 player is available.

To say OKC is not going to make a move is strange. They are having a great season and moving off two players who don't play for them and a FRP is not a huge loss for them. For sure they will aim higher with all of their future assets, but they are 31-13 and need some veteran presence for what will be a first big playoff run.

They have Giddey as a starter and he is their weak link at least defensively. You have Dort+Brown causing defensive havoc, and SGA and JDub being the primary scorers/distributers with Chet in the middle. That is a very tough top five.

[OakleyDokely]

Bruce Brown to the Magic for DEN 2025 1st (top 5 protected), M Fultz, C Houstan

Bruce Brown to the Thunder for PHI 2025 1st (top 6 protected), D Bartans, O Dieng

Bruce Brown to the Rockets for T Eason, V Oladipo, J Green

[Statistician MK]

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NBA trade rumors

Bruce Brown

Brown is going to be another mainstay in the rumor cycle for the next two weeks after the rebuilding Raptors acquired him in the Pascal Siakam trade.

But after insider Chris Haynes of Turner Sports predicted the Raptors would “have no problem getting what they want” (reportedly a first-round pick and quality player) for Brown earlier in the week, it sounds like — at least initially — his market may not be quite that frothy, according to Fischer (emphasis mine):

The Raptors have posted an initial price point of a first-round selection for Brown, sources said, after Toronto acquired the veteran as part of its return for Pascal Siakam. But Brown’s contract, a two-year, $45 million balloon payment with a team option for the 2024-25 season, is expected to dissuade several suitors from sacrificing that level of draft pick when Brown is considered a lower-market player than his salary. For that, Brown appears to be a much stronger possibility for Milwaukee than Murray. Another player in this salary range, Detroit’s Bojan Bogdanović, was a known target for the Bucks prior to last year’s trade deadline, sources said.

Not only is that already less than Marc Stein was reporting the Raptors wanted just a few days prior, but it appears that Brown’s contract — $22 million this season, with a team option for $23 million for next — is not only hard to salary match without sending out a key part of the rotation, but potentially just not valued at that level by contenders where every dollar up against luxury taxes counts.

It’s still early (at least by slop season standards), but it will be interesting to see what type of offers the Raptors can eventually generate for Brown, and if they ultimately have to lower their ask if they actually want to flip him to expand their asset haul from the Siakam deal.

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SB Nation
NBA trade rumors

Bruce Brown

Brown is going to be another mainstay in the rumor cycle for the next two weeks after the rebuilding Raptors acquired him in the Pascal Siakam trade.

But after insider Chris Haynes of Turner Sports predicted the Raptors would “have no problem getting what they want” (reportedly a first-round pick and quality player) for Brown earlier in the week, it sounds like — at least initially — his market may not be quite that frothy, according to Fischer (emphasis mine):

The Raptors have posted an initial price point of a first-round selection for Brown, sources said, after Toronto acquired the veteran as part of its return for Pascal Siakam. But Brown’s contract, a two-year, $45 million balloon payment with a team option for the 2024-25 season, is expected to dissuade several suitors from sacrificing that level of draft pick when Brown is considered a lower-market player than his salary. For that, Brown appears to be a much stronger possibility for Milwaukee than Murray. Another player in this salary range, Detroit’s Bojan Bogdanović, was a known target for the Bucks prior to last year’s trade deadline, sources said.

Not only is that already less than Marc Stein was reporting the Raptors wanted just a few days prior, but it appears that Brown’s contract — $22 million this season, with a team option for $23 million for next — is not only hard to salary match without sending out a key part of the rotation, but potentially just not valued at that level by contenders where every dollar up against luxury taxes counts.

It’s still early (at least by slop season standards), but it will be interesting to see what type of offers the Raptors can eventually generate for Brown, and if they ultimately have to lower their ask if they actually want to flip him to expand their asset haul from the Siakam deal.

Holding pattern until bigger fish Dejounte Murray trade gets done. Possibly other smaller trades are lined up after Brown is traded for the deadline.

[gerrit4]

Bruce Brown to the Magic for DEN 2025 1st (top 5 protected), M Fultz, C Houstan

Bruce Brown to the Thunder for PHI 2025 1st (top 6 protected), D Bartans, O Dieng

Bruce Brown to the Rockets for T Eason, V Oladipo, J Green

Those all make sense to me. The other logical trades I can think of are:

Bruce Brown to Knicks for Bucks 2025 1st (or Grimes), Fournier

Bruce Brown to Mavs for Holmes (or Williams), and one of Green, Omax, Hardy, 2027 first.

Bruce Brown to Lakers for Rui, Prince, JHS (or future 1st)

Bruce Brown to Kings for Huerter, 2025 1st


Every other team seems to be too difficult to match salaries (other than Philly, who are rumoured to be not interested) or not good enough to want a guy like Brown.

[Lord_Zedd]

Houston and Orlando are my sleeper picks for Brown.

Orlando might be willing to part with Denver's 2025 1st and while they have no shortages of guards, they need a better one.

Houston can send us the corpse of Oladipo, Landale and maybe their 2025 1st that's mixed up with OKC and Brooklyn already. We could use a big and Landale has team option for next season.

The Knicks are obvious with their package with Fournier and one of their 1sts. If they want to hang onto Grimes, send us the rights to that Lithuanian guard that we were interested in that draft year before he pulled out.

Any other deals that's wanting us to take on additional salary for charity reasons are a no go.

[Mak]

Knicks trade makes a lot of sense for Fournier.

Brown for Fournier makes too much sense not to happen, right?

It is just a matter of which pick we are asking for. These are the picks that I would take, any of them is fine:

2024
Dallas top 10 protected
Their own pick

2025
Bucks top 4
Their own pick

2026
Their own pick


Picks I don't want

2024
Pistons protected 1-18
Wizards protected 1-12

Dallas 2024 pick might be the best pick in terms of position and value? Knicks were saving those picks for a trade for a big star but maybe now this will be the final move. Pistons and Wizards picks probably have little to no value since they are likely to convey into seconds many years from now.

I don't want Fournier and just a pick for Brown. Grimes has to come back or we look elsewhere.

They aren't getting that, or alot for anyone. It is a buyers market and there are too many sellers and not enough bad salary to make these types of trades. Toronto is going to be hard pressed to unload both Brown and Trent let alone more.

I would say the opposite, its a sellers market. There are maybe 6-8 sellers and even teams like the Pistons don't want to get worse. And in some cases these sellers don't have much too sell of value to a playoff team. Then we have about 15 buyers and we have about 5 teams whose time is running out and need to do something now.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Keep him and win games with him, trade him in the offseason.

[Johnny Bball]

Bruce Brown to the Magic for DEN 2025 1st (top 5 protected), M Fultz, C Houstan

Bruce Brown to the Thunder for PHI 2025 1st (top 6 protected), D Bartans, O Dieng

Bruce Brown to the Rockets for T Eason, V Oladipo, J Green

I think any chance to get any 2025 pick is a little overly optimistic. 2026 and beyond is more plausible.


They could also trade both Brown and Poeltl to OKC for Dort and Bertans and pick/picks. Separately.

[Ducksplatt]

Bruce Brown to the Magic for DEN 2025 1st (top 5 protected), M Fultz, C Houstan

Bruce Brown to the Thunder for PHI 2025 1st (top 6 protected), D Bartans, O Dieng

Bruce Brown to the Rockets for T Eason, V Oladipo, J Green

I like all three of these trades but am expecting, like the Pascal trade, to be underwhelmed with the what we get.


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[Appostis]

They were rolling. Well Pascal probably had the best game of his career.

Anways, OG was a +38 today.

Knicks are really going to make the trade now when they are so hot? At least Grimes scored 19 pts in 22 mins.

Nether situation is remotely the same but you framing it as the Pascal arrival ruined chemistry.. just ignoring the injury Haliburton injury. You seem hell.bent on doubling down on your nonsense. *Face palm*

Haliburton was missing games before Pascal arrived and they were just as adept as the highest scoring team in the league.

It's like talking to a wall.. *face palm*

The two situations are not remotely the same but you keep suggesting they are. Saying the new player ruined chemistry and overlooking the star player being injury.

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It’s only me speculating but looks like the Bruce Brown could be cooling off. Also this comment about “staying pat” might be only NYK trying to posture themselve.

Let’s face it, Brown has not been somewhat underwhelming as a Raptor after a solid first game.