Fake Trade Thread #5

[JMAC3]

Hornets twitter is so toxic right now.
From blaming everything on this team on Miles Bridges, to arguing about Miller or LaMelo as 1a and 1b, to just a bunch of awful trades with no other smart reasoning other than "drain the swamp" as if collecting 2nd round picks is somehow the answer to improving this roster.

If someone can actually give me a reason of how trading Miles Bridges, PJ Washington and Nick Richards for 6 2nd round picks is actually going to lead to improving the team in the future then I am all ears. But the argument is "We aren't good with them so we might as well trade them" as if we can't be worse. Which we can be worse, we are watching Ish Smith play 30 mins and Leaky Black and Nathan Mensah and we act like PJ scoring 43 is just super casual and players as talented as him are just popping up undrafted all the time. We also act like guys that are scoring 20 ppg aren't making 30+ million and that those guys should cost peanuts and are laying by the roadside.

[amcoolio]

we are going to be bad the next few years. that’s just the way it’s gonna be. we, with the wizards and pistons, are just so far away from competing from a playoff spot. not injuries, not new coaching staff… nothing is going got change that, and we have to accept it. we might as well collect future unprotected picks if we can. wiggins is just a contract now, like ben simmons.

if GSW is willing to give up a future unprotected pick when Curry is no longer playing just to save 200m and try to compete now, by giving us Wiggins for PJ, you have to do it.

we don’t have the player like Sabonis to trade or Paul George to jumpstart this hell we are in and compete next year. we just have no assets beyond all our unprotected picks, which we just can’t part with because we are so bad

You pretty much have to trade LaMelo if you plan on being bad 2-3 more years. He isn't going to watch the team lose for that long and be happy. So if you are cool basically just committing to nobody on the roster except Miller then we can go youre route of a tear down, but Im avoiding that.

Especially with cap space and now we have an extra first we can add in speculative trades moving forward.

hate to break it to you, but we will be bad the next 2-3 years lol. This is Charlotte. We are poverty. We've been bad for decades. LaMelo probably will ask out. Its whatever at this point. He hasn't been up to the task to making that superstar impact like Haliburton anyway.

[Rich4114]

Hornets twitter is so toxic right now.
From blaming everything on this team on Miles Bridges, to arguing about Miller or LaMelo as 1a and 1b, to just a bunch of awful trades with no other smart reasoning other than "drain the swamp" as if collecting 2nd round picks is somehow the answer to improving this roster.

If someone can actually give me a reason of how trading Miles Bridges, PJ Washington and Nick Richards for 6 2nd round picks is actually going to lead to improving the team in the future then I am all ears. But the argument is "We aren't good with them so we might as well trade them" as if we can't be worse. Which we can be worse, we are watching Ish Smith play 30 mins and Leaky Black and Nathan Mensah and we act like PJ scoring 43 is just super casual and players as talented as him are just popping up undrafted all the time. We also act like guys that are scoring 20 ppg aren't making 30+ million and that those guys should cost peanuts and are laying by the roadside.

It’s at an all time bad right now. The constant losing will lead to that. We have some individually talented players who would no doubt be good on a competent team. The current environment is making everyone look really bad and it’s not just because of injuries. I agree with most of your takes because they’re level headed. A lot of people want to trade Miles or PJ for some second rounders. I think we have enough second round talent on this roster and we need to find a way to add more actual rotational players with specific roles to augment what’s here. I’m fine trading guys if what they’re going to return either makes us better or fits better with what we have. But I’m not giving away Miles for free. As frustratingly inconsistent as PJ is, I’m not trading him away for seconds and I’m certainly not going to turn on LaMelo just because he’s had a few inefficient games playing on a bum ankle surrounded by g league talent.

I’m also certainly not willing to tear it all down and see if we can land another player as good as LaMelo in the next 3-5 years which we’ll then have to wait to develop anyway.

We have some really good young players with a chance to blossom into stars. Go fix the infrastructure around them and make sure there’s depth so if someone gets hurt we aren’t playing dudes from the YMCA 25mpg

[JMAC3]

we are going to be bad the next few years. that’s just the way it’s gonna be. we, with the wizards and pistons, are just so far away from competing from a playoff spot. not injuries, not new coaching staff… nothing is going got change that, and we have to accept it. we might as well collect future unprotected picks if we can. wiggins is just a contract now, like ben simmons.

if GSW is willing to give up a future unprotected pick when Curry is no longer playing just to save 200m and try to compete now, by giving us Wiggins for PJ, you have to do it.

we don’t have the player like Sabonis to trade or Paul George to jumpstart this hell we are in and compete next year. we just have no assets beyond all our unprotected picks, which we just can’t part with because we are so bad

You pretty much have to trade LaMelo if you plan on being bad 2-3 more years. He isn't going to watch the team lose for that long and be happy. So if you are cool basically just committing to nobody on the roster except Miller then we can go youre route of a tear down, but Im avoiding that.

Especially with cap space and now we have an extra first we can add in speculative trades moving forward.

hate to break it to you, but we will be bad the next 2-3 years lol. This is Charlotte. We are poverty. We've been bad for decades. LaMelo probably will ask out. Its whatever at this point. He hasn't been up to the task to making that superstar impact like Haliburton anyway.

Indiana also traded Caris Levert for a first rounder and 2 2nds, traded Sabonis for young player with allstar potential in Haliburton and Buddy Hield, Traded Brogdon for a first rounder.

Traded a role player averaging 8 ppg in Duarte for 2 2nds. Traded Torrey Craig for former top 10 pick Jalen Smith and 2nd.

If we want to make trades, then this is the blueprint. Not firesale and take back a bunch of garbage picks because we aren't winning.

[KingCat]

Only team I can see us getting good value for Nick Richards is OKC. They are a contender with a real rebounding weakness.

[JMAC3]

Only team I can see us getting good value for Nick Richards is OKC. They are a contender with a real rebounding weakness.

Thunder have 7 extra first round picks and not even counting their own. If Mitch is going to deal with them he needs to try and piece together something to get one of those. Give up a 2nd with Richards or take back a contract they don't love but trading him for 2nds would be a pretty big disappointment.

Ousmane Dieng would be a prospect that would be worth taking a flyer on too. He was 13 in mins for them last yr and 12th this year, so it's not like they would feel the loss much especially with so many picks to replace him. Tre Mann also, but I think I would prefer Dieng slightly.

[NCHeels2008]

Hornets twitter is so toxic right now.
From blaming everything on this team on Miles Bridges, to arguing about Miller or LaMelo as 1a and 1b, to just a bunch of awful trades with no other smart reasoning other than "drain the swamp" as if collecting 2nd round picks is somehow the answer to improving this roster.

If someone can actually give me a reason of how trading Miles Bridges, PJ Washington and Nick Richards for 6 2nd round picks is actually going to lead to improving the team in the future then I am all ears. But the argument is "We aren't good with them so we might as well trade them" as if we can't be worse. Which we can be worse, we are watching Ish Smith play 30 mins and Leaky Black and Nathan Mensah and we act like PJ scoring 43 is just super casual and players as talented as him are just popping up undrafted all the time. We also act like guys that are scoring 20 ppg aren't making 30+ million and that those guys should cost peanuts and are laying by the roadside.

Miles Bridges gives me the icks and the sooner he's gone the better off the vibes will be

[KingCat]

Lol looking at some Suns forums, I love how they think their gm can just snap their fingers and acquire Richards+Miles for nothing. Suns really have nothing to give us.

[JMAC3]

Miles Bridges gives me the icks and the sooner he's gone the better off the vibes will be

Trading Miles for pennies. Even if LaMelo and Miller average 25 and 20 next year that is 45 pts. The average team is scoring 115 pts per game. We are 109 with Terry and Miles. So we need to find another 70 ppg for next year just to be average on offense. PJ and Mark combine for 30 ppg. Rookie adds 10 ppg, we still need 30 ppg from 1 starter and 1 bench guy realistically. Assuming everyone is healthy and puts up half way decent numbers.

Free Agency is soooo bad.

[JMAC3]

Also, after looking at FA I think I am more on board with a Lowry for DLo swap to facilitate the Murray trade. DLo isn't a perfect fit by any means but he would be an upgrade and if at the end of the day we flipped Rozier for DLo and 1st then that seems like a win to me.

You can always flip DLo in offseason as expiring or at next years trade deadline.

[Rich4114]

Also, after looking at FA I think I am more on board with a Lowry for DLo swap to facilitate the Murray trade. DLo isn't a perfect fit by any means but he would be an upgrade and if at the end of the day we flipped Rozier for DLo and 1st then that seems like a win to me.

You can always flip DLo in offseason as expiring or at next years trade deadline.

Trades are the best way to retool this roster. There's going to be good players in bad situations that could be real contributors here as well.

[fatlever]

Plowright did a good video with someone from the OKC blogging community. suggest that there would be some significant interest in Gordon hayward. And perhaps they could throw around some of those extra second round picks to guarantee getting Hayward in as opposed to waiting to see if they could snatch him up in a buyout situation. Chances are in a buyout situation OKC would not be the front runner therefore if they wanted to secure him throwing around some of those second round picks they have would make sense.

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[JDR720]

Do they have any contracts to trade? Half their team are on rookie deals.

[KingCat]

Knicks may lose Randle for a long period of time which would derail what has been a great season for them.

They might make a desperate move for Miles who would be a solid fill in for Randle.

Also holy cow the Knicks have way more draft picks than I would have guessed.

[JMAC3]

Knicks may lose Randle for a long period of time which would derail what has been a great season for them.

They might make a desperate move for Miles who would be a solid fill in for Randle.

Also holy cow the Knicks have way more draft picks than I would have guessed.

Sounds like it is 2-3 week thing, not a season long at this point.
They probably just play OG at the 4 and move Hart into starting lineup.

[JMAC3]

Unpopular opinion incoming again. But sitting here watching Sixers and Portland and man Kelly Oubre would be a blessing on this team lol. Embiid out last game, he scores 25. Meanwhile we have 7 bench points tonight.

But pretty much the exact reasons I layed out all off-season on why we should sign Kelly came true.
Hayward always hurt, Rozier traded, Oubre a trade piece at the deadline….

Already 8 games this month where we scored 106 or lower, league average is 115 ppg.

[Rich4114]

Unpopular opinion incoming again. But sitting here watching Sixers and Portland and man Kelly Oubre would be a blessing on this team lol. Embiid out last game, he scores 25. Meanwhile we have 7 bench points tonight.

But pretty much the exact reasons I layed out all off-season on why we should sign Kelly came true.
Hayward always hurt, Rozier traded, Oubre a trade piece at the deadline….

Already 8 games this month where we scored 106 or lower, league average is 115 ppg.

He's still a low IQ player, but your points are valid. Certainly would've helped off the bench this season (and often in the Starting Lineup).

But we'd still be bad because of no NBA C or PG rotation.

[HornetJail]

Oubre on a <$5M contract is an obvious bargain for everyone. We could absolutely have used his scoring punch through all these injuries, though C and PG are much more pressing matters.

That said, Miles is doing his best Oubre impression this season and i don't like it.

[JMAC3]

Oubre on a <$5M contract is an obvious bargain for everyone. We could absolutely have used his scoring punch through all these injuries, though C and PG are much more pressing matters.

That said, Miles is doing his best Oubre impression this season and i don't like it.

I know right, would be great if Miles could turn full on Luka right now and have JT Thor, Nick Richards and Nick Smith Jr perform as a top 10 offense around him. Crazy he hasn't been efficient playing with those guys. Dude probably isn't worth more than 8 million per year.

Ish Smith is a champion and Frank Ntilikina is a former top 10 pick. Share the rock with the fellas Miles.

[HornetJail]

Oubre on a <$5M contract is an obvious bargain for everyone. We could absolutely have used his scoring punch through all these injuries, though C and PG are much more pressing matters.

That said, Miles is doing his best Oubre impression this season and i don't like it.

I know right, would be great if Miles could turn full on Luka right now and have JT Thor, Nick Richards and Nick Smith Jr perform as a top 10 offense around him. Crazy he hasn't been efficient playing with those guys. Dude probably isn't worth more than 8 million per year.

Ish Smith is a champion and Frank Ntilikina is a former top 10 pick. Share the rock with the fellas Miles.

i'm not talking about efficiency dude, i'm talking about his passing falling off the face of the earth, his defense tanking, and him not attacking the rim as much as he used to.

Maybe the Oubre comparison was harsh, but Miles does not look serious this year like he did in 2021 and 2022. If other teams watching him play this year, I suspect he's lost a ton of money.