What to do with Bruce Brown

[Johnny Bball]

cp3 is expiring this year, he had a 15 buyout (30 mil contract) for this season, suns guaranteed it to make the bradley beal trade.

CP3 is not expiring this year and has a partial guarantee for next year too. I'm pretty certain his 2024 is now guaranteed after playing X number of games.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/GSW.html

yes he has a non guranteed contract for next season, but its for 0 dollars, with no triggers.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/chris-paul-2609/

Got it. Then why would it not be written as team option if it was for precisely zero I wonder Then that makes it at least one pick short.

[Tripod]

Not trading the Warriors Brown and Schroeder plus letting them off the hook on Wiggins contract, and only getting 1 young guy back. Oh, and having to take Paul and buy him out.

If they are getting Schroeder too, Podz needs to be in the deal.

[TGM]

The best outcome for this team is not to rank. You have a decent core and when Jakob comes back this is a total different team. Just watch. Best we make the play-in and build some momentum. With the core. Yes agree trade Brown and Boucher if you can get good value. Would even consider moving Schroeder and Trent. Get as much cap flex and draft capital and aim to make a push next season. I could see us bringing back Trent on a two year 30-35 million contract- 15-17 million with year two a team option again. This way we have a ton of expiring next season and if the core develops and improves we could package a bunch of expirings for a team that needs to dump a star.

[Rapsfan07]

The best outcome for this team is not to rank. You have a decent core and when Jakob comes back this is a total different team. Just watch. Best we make the play-in and build some momentum. With the core. Yes agree trade Brown and Boucher if you can get good value. Would even consider moving Schroeder and Trent. Get as much cap flex and draft capital and aim to make a push next season. I could see us bringing back Trent on a two year 30-35 million contract- 15-17 million with year two a team option again. This way we have a ton of expiring next season and if the core develops and improves we could package a bunch of expirings for a team that needs to dump a star.

We don't need momentum. We need talent.

When the talent comes, the talent will create the momentum. Would be very foolish of us to be this close to keeping our pick and instead go for the play-in all for some "momentum".

We made the play-in last year and lost to the Bulls. How was that momentum helpful for us, as we currently sit with the 6th worst record in the league? It wasn't at all.

Trent, Boucher, Schroeder and Brown should all be gone if you can get good value back. Out of this bunch, Brown should be highest priority to move. I like the guy and if we weren't still in Phase One of the rebuild, I would say let's keep him. But right now we're in asset accumulation mode so he should be gone to the highest bidder that preferably isn't sending back any long term expensive salary. Then we should be looking at moving either Trent and/or Schroeder, who should have some market interest. I'd probably hang onto Boucher, seeing as quality back up PFS on cheap short term deals aren't easy to find but if someone make a good offer, he's gone too.

Yak should be right behind Brown in terms of players we need to be active about trading. In the offseason, make good draft picks and sign some veteran talent on short term deals who can play positions of need. Then next season, you aim for the play-in/playoffs.

[Michael Jordan]

Warriors aren't gonna trade future firsts or prospects for role players only to miss the post-season at this point.

The playoffs are almost out of reach and now they want to unload Wiggins and CP3 (Good luck) because they have the highest payroll in the league and will enter the lottery.

[Michael Jordan]

With Randle out the Knicks have to be calling for Brown. I'd do Fournier + Future First(s) or Fournier + Grimes

[Rapsfan07]

Warriors aren't gonna trade future firsts or prospects for role players only to miss the post-season at this point.

The playoffs are almost out of reach and now they want to unload Wiggins and CP3 (Good luck) because they have the highest payroll in the league and will enter the lottery.

Well, unless they're willing to pay, I don't think anyone should be bailing them out but especially not us.

With Randle out the Knicks have to be calling for Brown. I'd do Fournier + Future First(s) or Fournier + Grimes

Fournier + Grimes for Brown would be awesome since I'm not to worried about this picks. In a situation like this, I prefer to have a young guy who has relationships with our young guys, is on a cheap and controllable contract and has already proven that he's an NBA player.

[JB7]

The best outcome for this team is not to rank. You have a decent core and when Jakob comes back this is a total different team. Just watch. Best we make the play-in and build some momentum. With the core. Yes agree trade Brown and Boucher if you can get good value. Would even consider moving Schroeder and Trent. Get as much cap flex and draft capital and aim to make a push next season. I could see us bringing back Trent on a two year 30-35 million contract- 15-17 million with year two a team option again. This way we have a ton of expiring next season and if the core develops and improves we could package a bunch of expirings for a team that needs to dump a star.

We don't need momentum. We need talent.

When the talent comes, the talent will create the momentum. Would be very foolish of us to be this close to keeping our pick and instead go for the play-in all for some "momentum".

We made the play-in last year and lost to the Bulls. How was that momentum helpful for us, as we currently sit with the 6th worst record in the league? It wasn't at all.

Trent, Boucher, Schroeder and Brown should all be gone if you can get good value back. Out of this bunch, Brown should be highest priority to move. I like the guy and if we weren't still in Phase One of the rebuild, I would say let's keep him. But right now we're in asset accumulation mode so he should be gone to the highest bidder that preferably isn't sending back any long term expensive salary. Then we should be looking at moving either Trent and/or Schroeder, who should have some market interest. I'd probably hang onto Boucher, seeing as quality back up PFS on cheap short term deals aren't easy to find but if someone make a good offer, he's gone too.

Yak should be right behind Brown in terms of players we need to be active about trading. In the offseason, make good draft picks and sign some veteran talent on short term deals who can play positions of need. Then next season, you aim for the play-in/playoffs.

The team has talent (BBQ + Dick). It needs to build an environment to help develop that talent, and trading away Yak, and possibly Schroder, is probably not the best way to develop the talent.

I would even argue, adding Wiggins could help in the development of the talent, by filling a gap in the roster.

A core of BBQ, plus Yak, Schroder, Wiggins and Dick would be a good starting point for next year. A starting rotation of Yak, Barnes, Wiggins, Barrett and Quickley, with a 6th man in Schroder is not bad. And there would be minutes for Dick off the bench, and with the size and D around him in Barnes, Yak, Wiggins and Barrett, Gradey's defensive deficiencies could hidden better.

I think Wiggins is a better fit than Brown, as he adds more length on the perimeter, and has more offensive upside. In Barnes, IQ, RJ & Wiggins, the team would have 4 players capable of averaging close to 20pts per game.

[Rapsfan07]

The best outcome for this team is not to rank. You have a decent core and when Jakob comes back this is a total different team. Just watch. Best we make the play-in and build some momentum. With the core. Yes agree trade Brown and Boucher if you can get good value. Would even consider moving Schroeder and Trent. Get as much cap flex and draft capital and aim to make a push next season. I could see us bringing back Trent on a two year 30-35 million contract- 15-17 million with year two a team option again. This way we have a ton of expiring next season and if the core develops and improves we could package a bunch of expirings for a team that needs to dump a star.

We don't need momentum. We need talent.

When the talent comes, the talent will create the momentum. Would be very foolish of us to be this close to keeping our pick and instead go for the play-in all for some "momentum".

We made the play-in last year and lost to the Bulls. How was that momentum helpful for us, as we currently sit with the 6th worst record in the league? It wasn't at all.

Trent, Boucher, Schroeder and Brown should all be gone if you can get good value back. Out of this bunch, Brown should be highest priority to move. I like the guy and if we weren't still in Phase One of the rebuild, I would say let's keep him. But right now we're in asset accumulation mode so he should be gone to the highest bidder that preferably isn't sending back any long term expensive salary. Then we should be looking at moving either Trent and/or Schroeder, who should have some market interest. I'd probably hang onto Boucher, seeing as quality back up PFS on cheap short term deals aren't easy to find but if someone make a good offer, he's gone too.

Yak should be right behind Brown in terms of players we need to be active about trading. In the offseason, make good draft picks and sign some veteran talent on short term deals who can play positions of need. Then next season, you aim for the play-in/playoffs.

The team has talent (BBQ + Dick). It needs to build an environment to help develop that talent, and trading away Yak, and possibly Schroder, is probably not the best way to develop the talent.

I would even argue, adding Wiggins could help in the development of the talent, by filling a gap in the roster.

A core of BBQ, plus Yak, Schroder, Wiggins and Dick would be a good starting point for next year. A starting rotation of Yak, Barnes, Wiggins, Barrett and Quickley, with a 6th man in Schroder is not bad. And there would be minutes for Dick off the bench, and with the size and D around him in Barnes, Yak, Wiggins and Barrett, Gradey's defensive deficiencies could hidden better.

I think Wiggins is a better fit than Brown, as he adds more length on the perimeter, and has more offensive upside. In Barnes, IQ, RJ & Wiggins, the team would have 4 players capable of averaging close to 20pts per game.

Bro... have you been watching Wiggins? Have you seen his contract?

And as far as BBQ Dick is concerned - they're far from a sure thing. Only player on this team I'm absolutely sure about is Barnes and even then, I don't know to what extend or what role he plays on a championship team. So I'm not going to be worried about acquiring and keeping vets just to bolster that. Especially when we could add similar production and experience (thereby creating the environment) from the FA market. Let them continue to prove that they're even starters on a championship contender first then we worry about the rest.

Wiggins, at his current production and cost, is a cap killer and I'm not willing to waste Scottie's time by wishing upon a star that he's going to rehab his value, much less take it on for free.

[SpezNc]

[x] https://www.tsn.ca/nba/video/windhorst-knicks-should-consider-calling-raptors-back-about-a-brown-jr-trade~2856771[/x]

8:13 is the start of the Brown talk.

"I think Toronto is going to get a lot for him....."

Nice to hear Woj speak so highly of his value. Hopefully he's right.

This link is Windhorst but yeah there was also a recording of Woj as well

it was nice to hear Woj . It was reassuring me because I found it’s been quiet in last week.

[JB7]

We don't need momentum. We need talent.

When the talent comes, the talent will create the momentum. Would be very foolish of us to be this close to keeping our pick and instead go for the play-in all for some "momentum".

We made the play-in last year and lost to the Bulls. How was that momentum helpful for us, as we currently sit with the 6th worst record in the league? It wasn't at all.

Trent, Boucher, Schroeder and Brown should all be gone if you can get good value back. Out of this bunch, Brown should be highest priority to move. I like the guy and if we weren't still in Phase One of the rebuild, I would say let's keep him. But right now we're in asset accumulation mode so he should be gone to the highest bidder that preferably isn't sending back any long term expensive salary. Then we should be looking at moving either Trent and/or Schroeder, who should have some market interest. I'd probably hang onto Boucher, seeing as quality back up PFS on cheap short term deals aren't easy to find but if someone make a good offer, he's gone too.

Yak should be right behind Brown in terms of players we need to be active about trading. In the offseason, make good draft picks and sign some veteran talent on short term deals who can play positions of need. Then next season, you aim for the play-in/playoffs.

The team has talent (BBQ + Dick). It needs to build an environment to help develop that talent, and trading away Yak, and possibly Schroder, is probably not the best way to develop the talent.

I would even argue, adding Wiggins could help in the development of the talent, by filling a gap in the roster.

A core of BBQ, plus Yak, Schroder, Wiggins and Dick would be a good starting point for next year. A starting rotation of Yak, Barnes, Wiggins, Barrett and Quickley, with a 6th man in Schroder is not bad. And there would be minutes for Dick off the bench, and with the size and D around him in Barnes, Yak, Wiggins and Barrett, Gradey's defensive deficiencies could hidden better.

I think Wiggins is a better fit than Brown, as he adds more length on the perimeter, and has more offensive upside. In Barnes, IQ, RJ & Wiggins, the team would have 4 players capable of averaging close to 20pts per game.

Bro... have you been watching Wiggins? Have you seen his contract?

And as far as BBQ Dick is concerned - they're far from a sure thing. Only player on this team I'm absolutely sure about is Barnes and even then, I don't know to what extend or what role he plays on a championship team. So I'm not going to be worried about acquiring and keeping vets just to bolster that. Especially when we could add similar production and experience (thereby creating the environment) from the FA market. Let them continue to prove that they're even starters on a championship contender first then we worry about the rest.

Wiggins, at his current production and cost, is a cap killer and I'm not willing to waste Scottie's time by wishing upon a star that he's going to rehab his value, much less take it on for free.

Wiggins has been playing better of late, and he adds a dimension to this team that it lost with the trade of OG. He is a player that can guard other teams stars (wings and possibly even guards). And acquiring him wouldn't be taking him on for free. I would imagine the Raps could squeeze at least a FRP out of GSW for taking on his contract, and moving Brown to them.

BBQ Dick is not a sure thing, but to see what the team has in them, they need a supporting cast, and Yak, Wiggins and Schroder is not a bad start.

[ArthurVandelay]

Interesting comments by Woj albeit not necessarily new information

Bruce Brown comment starts at 8:11

-Mentions NYK and Lakers as suiters (nothing news) but also from teams that aren’t contender
-Mentions that the fact that he can have value at TDL for a subsequent trade add to his current value
-add that he think he will fetch a good return “ i think toronto gonna get a lot for him”
-add that browns can be put on starting lineup (spot starter) if injuries during post season happens without hesitation

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8:13 is the start of the Brown talk.

"I think Toronto is going to get a lot for him....."

Nice to hear Woj speak so highly of his value. Hopefully he's right.

[StopitLeo]

The team has talent (BBQ + Dick). It needs to build an environment to help develop that talent, and trading away Yak, and possibly Schroder, is probably not the best way to develop the talent.

I would even argue, adding Wiggins could help in the development of the talent, by filling a gap in the roster.

A core of BBQ, plus Yak, Schroder, Wiggins and Dick would be a good starting point for next year. A starting rotation of Yak, Barnes, Wiggins, Barrett and Quickley, with a 6th man in Schroder is not bad. And there would be minutes for Dick off the bench, and with the size and D around him in Barnes, Yak, Wiggins and Barrett, Gradey's defensive deficiencies could hidden better.

I think Wiggins is a better fit than Brown, as he adds more length on the perimeter, and has more offensive upside. In Barnes, IQ, RJ & Wiggins, the team would have 4 players capable of averaging close to 20pts per game.

Wiggins gives me Rudy Gay vibes in the sense that he's very talented but he just isn't a winner. Gay played 17 seasons and made the playoffs only 3 times, two of which were with the Spurs and at that point he was playing PF in a complementary rather than lead role.

Wiggins has played 9 years and also made the playoffs 3 times but two of those were with GSW where he similarly played a complementary rather than lead role. Could he contribute to the Raptors? Sure, but I think he would take opportunities away from guys we are trying to develop. I also question whether he is much of a leader.

[douggood]

https://theathletic.com/5230513/2024/01/30/warriors-nba-trade-deadline-rumors/

The Golden State Warriors were on the fringe of the Pascal Siakam market several weeks ago. They had exploratory conversations with the Toronto Raptors. If the Indiana Pacers didn’t pounce — giving up three mid-tier first-rounders plus Bruce Brown, who might fetch another for Toronto — the Raptors might’ve engaged the Warriors more seriously as the 2024 NBA trade deadline neared.

But Indiana was motivated, Siakam preferred to get directed there (always a massive behind-the-scenes factor) and the Pacers paid up, both now and presumably into Siakam’s lucrative future. Another issue: Jonathan Kuminga, the Warriors’ most valued trade chip, isn’t an ideal fit next to Scottie Barnes, the centerpiece of Toronto’s rebuild. Their skill sets overlap, so the Raptors weren’t exactly beating down the door to figure out a way to pry Kuminga.

The Warriors have fielded player-for-player offers for Wiggins, according to team and league sources. They wouldn’t have to attach a draft pick to get off his deal.

But nothing has made them jump. Wiggins has upped his production and activity lately. He’s back in their starting and closing lineup, able finally to play next to Kuminga

[WuTang_CMB]

Tim legler makes a good point on the body impact will be on Randle's right shoulder which allows him to go left for his moves

Shoulders are so iffy man. I had a shoulder sprain at the gym which lasted a year until I got real treatment and rest

Knicks will be hunting for help at the deadline. I like Brown for them. I'd look to see if we can get their 25' pick

[Brinbe]

Brown would be a great add for them. They're already hard to play against now but having roleplayers like Hart/Brown that you can call upon in the playoffs is a big positive. And they're doing this all without their starting C in Mitch Rob too.

Do wonder how long Masai will wait for these trades and if he's gonna wait till right at the deadline.

Grimes and a 1st, come on down.

[JB7]

Tim legler makes a good point on the body impact will be on Randle's right shoulder which allows him to go left for his moves

Shoulders are so iffy man. I had a shoulder sprain at the gym which lasted a year until I got real treatment and rest

Knicks will be hunting for help at the deadline. I like Brown for them. I'd look to see if we can get their 25' pick

I wonder though if the Knicks go in a different direction at the deadline. They had been rumored to be interested in Towns. I wonder if they offer Randle for Towns, straight up. It is next year that Towns supermax kicks in, and would then be $20M more than Randle's salary next year. So Minny saves $20M on their cap hit, while also replacing Towns.

[WuTang_CMB]

Tim legler makes a good point on the body impact will be on Randle's right shoulder which allows him to go left for his moves

Shoulders are so iffy man. I had a shoulder sprain at the gym which lasted a year until I got real treatment and rest

Knicks will be hunting for help at the deadline. I like Brown for them. I'd look to see if we can get their 25' pick

I wonder though if the Knicks go in a different direction at the deadline. They had been rumored to be interested in Towns. I wonder if they offer Randle for Towns, straight up. It is next year that Towns supermax kicks in, and would then be $20M more than Randle's salary next year. So Minny saves $20M on their cap hit, while also replacing Towns.

I understand the financials but Minny is sitting 1st in the West. The chip is wide open. Dont see them trading KAT until after the season

[Consequence]

I like the idea of sending him to Dallas for Holmes/Green/OMax. I don't think a real 1st rounder will end up being out there.

[TeamDisgruntled]

I’d like to see something like Trent, Porter, Thad for Paul and Moody, add Joseph if they want 3 for 3. Net us an asset and give them their cap relief and a player who can help them today.