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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#821 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:32 pm

Brinbe wrote:Brown would be a great add for them. They're already hard to play against now but having roleplayers like Hart/Brown that you can call upon in the playoffs is a big positive. And they're doing this all without their starting C in Mitch Rob too.

Do wonder how long Masai will wait for these trades and if he's gonna wait till right at the deadline.

Grimes and a 1st, come on down.


If he can swing Grimes AND a FRP for Brown... holy smokes man.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#822 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:34 pm

TeamDisgruntled wrote:I’d like to see something like Trent, Porter, Thad for Paul and Moody, add Joseph if they want 3 for 3. Net us an asset and give them their cap relief and a player who can help them today.


I might consider this depending on what happens with Bruce Brown. If we're able to net Grimes in that deal, I like this one a whole lot less. Otherwise though, it is interesting.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#823 » by redraptor77 » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:36 pm

Brinbe wrote:Brown would be a great add for them. They're already hard to play against now but having roleplayers like Hart/Brown that you can call upon in the playoffs is a big positive. And they're doing this all without their starting C in Mitch Rob too.

Do wonder how long Masai will wait for these trades and if he's gonna wait till right at the deadline.

Grimes and a 1st, come on down.


I really don’t get the Grimes love. He isn’t good. I think he had decent second year and that’s it. Decentish. Rather have cap space and roster spot open.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#824 » by Brinbe » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:46 pm

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Brinbe wrote:Brown would be a great add for them. They're already hard to play against now but having roleplayers like Hart/Brown that you can call upon in the playoffs is a big positive. And they're doing this all without their starting C in Mitch Rob too.

Do wonder how long Masai will wait for these trades and if he's gonna wait till right at the deadline.

Grimes and a 1st, come on down.


I really don’t get the Grimes love. He isn’t good. I think he had decent second year and that’s it. Decentish. Rather have cap space and roster spot open.

I disagree. He's a good defender and has shown he can shoot. Has fallen off a bit this year but he's only 23. Absurd to call him not good after three years. I think he can be a good contributor in a new environment.

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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#825 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:49 pm

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Brinbe wrote:Brown would be a great add for them. They're already hard to play against now but having roleplayers like Hart/Brown that you can call upon in the playoffs is a big positive. And they're doing this all without their starting C in Mitch Rob too.

Do wonder how long Masai will wait for these trades and if he's gonna wait till right at the deadline.

Grimes and a 1st, come on down.


If he can swing Grimes AND a FRP for Brown... holy smokes man.


Do you think Masai is set on getting a player? Or might he do Fournier expiring+ FRP?

Knicks board not crazy about Brown because not a scorer, compared to Murray or Brogdon, but think Thibs would love Brown.

Is an expiring like Fournier any good to Raptors? I never hear expiring/cap space mentioned much anymore, it's usually picks vs young players
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#826 » by Ell Curry » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:54 pm

douggood wrote:https://theathletic.com/5230513/2024/01/30/warriors-nba-trade-deadline-rumors/

The Warriors have fielded player-for-player offers for Wiggins, according to team and league sources. They wouldn’t have to attach a draft pick to get off his deal.

But nothing has made them jump. Wiggins has upped his production and activity lately. He’s back in their starting and closing lineup, able finally to play next to Kuminga


I could see this sort of thing:

Warriors - Bruce Brown, OKC top 20 protected first
Mavs - Wiggins
Raptors - Richaun Holmes, Bertans, Moses Moody, O-Max Prosper
OKC - Grant Williams, McDaniels

We take on 17M in bad contracts next year (cutting Bertans costs 5M) to turn Bruce Brown into and a pair of cheap 3+D prospects in O-Max and Moody.

Warriors get more flexibility, a better fit in Brown and a pick to use in another deal, which costs them Moody.

Mavs flip Grant Williams and bad 2025 money in Holmes for Wiggins and hope that he works out better than Grant has. He is more like DJJ than Grant Williams and that dude is fitting in well. Costs them O-Max.

OKC trades one of their weaker firsts for a solid defensive 4 on a reasonable deal.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#827 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:55 pm

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Brinbe wrote:Brown would be a great add for them. They're already hard to play against now but having roleplayers like Hart/Brown that you can call upon in the playoffs is a big positive. And they're doing this all without their starting C in Mitch Rob too.

Do wonder how long Masai will wait for these trades and if he's gonna wait till right at the deadline.

Grimes and a 1st, come on down.


If he can swing Grimes AND a FRP for Brown... holy smokes man.


Do you think Masai is set on getting a player? Or might he do Fournier expiring+ FRP?

Knicks board not crazy about Brown because not a scorer, compared to Murray or Brogdon, but think Thibs would love Brown.

Is an expiring like Fournier any good to Raptors? I never hear expiring/cap space mentioned much anymore, it's usually picks vs young players


I'm not sure Masai is set on anything in particular but I could be wrong. What I do know is that if we don't convey the pick to the Spurs this year, we're definitely going to be doing it next year and I'd like us to have a pick in that draft.

However, there's no telling where that pick would land or who we'd draft with it. I could be that the player we pick isn't even a rotation guy when we could have had Grimes instead. It's a gamble either way so Grimes AND a FRP is a homerun haul for Brown as far as I'm concerned.

I do think that the Knicks should do the smart thing and use the Fournier contract to add long term salary. Makes no sense to let him expire and not improve the team - it's just a matter of what they'll do with it. If I were them, I would be far more interested in Murray, Brogdon or even Bridges than I would be in Brown. Of course, prices will vary from player to player but that's where I'd have my eyes set.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#828 » by Ell Curry » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:57 pm

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TeamDisgruntled wrote:I’d like to see something like Trent, Porter, Thad for Paul and Moody, add Joseph if they want 3 for 3. Net us an asset and give them their cap relief and a player who can help them today.


I might consider this depending on what happens with Bruce Brown. If we're able to net Grimes in that deal, I like this one a whole lot less. Otherwise though, it is interesting.


This feels too good to be true. CP3's deal isn't guaranteed so it doesn't really save GSW money.

I think it would have to be something like:

GSW - Bruce Brown, Thad Young
Raptors - CP3, Moody, GSW 2nd rounder/Trayce Jackson-Davis
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#829 » by douggood » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:58 pm

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TeamDisgruntled wrote:I’d like to see something like Trent, Porter, Thad for Paul and Moody, add Joseph if they want 3 for 3. Net us an asset and give them their cap relief and a player who can help them today.


I might consider this depending on what happens with Bruce Brown. If we're able to net Grimes in that deal, I like this one a whole lot less. Otherwise though, it is interesting.


This feels too good to be true. CP3's deal isn't guaranteed so it doesn't really save GSW money.

I think it would have to be something like:

GSW - Bruce Brown, Thad Young
Raptors - CP3, Moody, GSW 2nd rounder/Trayce Jackson-Davis

cant aggregate bruce and thad
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#830 » by Ell Curry » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:00 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
Brinbe wrote:Brown would be a great add for them. They're already hard to play against now but having roleplayers like Hart/Brown that you can call upon in the playoffs is a big positive. And they're doing this all without their starting C in Mitch Rob too.

Do wonder how long Masai will wait for these trades and if he's gonna wait till right at the deadline.

Grimes and a 1st, come on down.


If he can swing Grimes AND a FRP for Brown... holy smokes man.


Could just be Grimes and we move up a few picks. Right now the Knicks draft #18 and #23 and we draft #20 and #26. Swap both picks and add Grimes and the Fournier expiring and we're probably at a deal.

I do think Brogdon makes more sense for the Knicks, though. Not sure they could win say 1 out of 2 playoff games if Brunson misses a couple, and Brogdon could even close in some matchups at the 2 to juice their offense. And while Randle is out they can stay afloat with lots of Brunson-Brogdon-Hart-OG-Hartenstein.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#831 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:18 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
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If he can swing Grimes AND a FRP for Brown... holy smokes man.


Do you think Masai is set on getting a player? Or might he do Fournier expiring+ FRP?

Knicks board not crazy about Brown because not a scorer, compared to Murray or Brogdon, but think Thibs would love Brown.

Is an expiring like Fournier any good to Raptors? I never hear expiring/cap space mentioned much anymore, it's usually picks vs young players


I'm not sure Masai is set on anything in particular but I could be wrong. What I do know is that if we don't convey the pick to the Spurs this year, we're definitely going to be doing it next year and I'd like us to have a pick in that draft.

However, there's no telling where that pick would land or who we'd draft with it. I could be that the player we pick isn't even a rotation guy when we could have had Grimes instead. It's a gamble either way so Grimes AND a FRP is a homerun haul for Brown as far as I'm concerned.

I do think that the Knicks should do the smart thing and use the Fournier contract to add long term salary. Makes no sense to let him expire and not improve the team - it's just a matter of what they'll do with it. If I were them, I would be far more interested in Murray, Brogdon or even Bridges than I would be in Brown. Of course, prices will vary from player to player but that's where I'd have my eyes set.


Mikal Bridges would be the ultimate fit for the Knicks but the most expensive get. There's a feeling that the Nets won't trade with Knicks.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#832 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:40 pm

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Brinbe wrote:Brown would be a great add for them. They're already hard to play against now but having roleplayers like Hart/Brown that you can call upon in the playoffs is a big positive. And they're doing this all without their starting C in Mitch Rob too.

Do wonder how long Masai will wait for these trades and if he's gonna wait till right at the deadline.

Grimes and a 1st, come on down.


If he can swing Grimes AND a FRP for Brown... holy smokes man.


Do you think Masai is set on getting a player? Or might he do Fournier expiring+ FRP?

Knicks board not crazy about Brown because not a scorer, compared to Murray or Brogdon, but think Thibs would love Brown.

Is an expiring like Fournier any good to Raptors? I never hear expiring/cap space mentioned much anymore, it's usually picks vs young players


Depends. If he already has deals for Poeltl and Schroder that clear cap space, I would just be happy with the pick and the cap space. They can always just delcine Brown's option, but then there is no pick.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#833 » by Duffman100 » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:45 pm

Grimes, Fournier and a 1st for Brown just seems like such a logical trade.
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Post#834 » by SFour » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:46 pm

42 pages for Bruce Brown is crazy
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#835 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:54 pm

Brinbe wrote:
redraptor77 wrote:
Brinbe wrote:Brown would be a great add for them. They're already hard to play against now but having roleplayers like Hart/Brown that you can call upon in the playoffs is a big positive. And they're doing this all without their starting C in Mitch Rob too.

Do wonder how long Masai will wait for these trades and if he's gonna wait till right at the deadline.

Grimes and a 1st, come on down.


I really don’t get the Grimes love. He isn’t good. I think he had decent second year and that’s it. Decentish. Rather have cap space and roster spot open.

I disagree. He's a good defender and has shown he can shoot. Has fallen off a bit this year but he's only 23. Absurd to call him not good after three years. I think he can be a good contributor in a new environment.

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I like it fit wise with Scottie to. He can step in and be a Danny Green esque guy who just defends and shoots and I would be happy.

IQ/Grimes/Barrett/Barnes is a solid starting point. Long term Grimes is hopefully a bench guy for you (or the 5th guy behind 4 better players), and RJ is probably not a long term fit but hopefully we rehab the value where he can be salary and attractive for another team.

But IQ/Grimes is 16 or so 3 pointers attempted per 36 total at 37/38%. That is really really good around Barnes. Plus Dick hopefully eventually can guard at the 3 would give us 3 high volume shooters around Scottie.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#836 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:02 pm

Pertaining to the NBA trade deadline at hand and what options the Warriors currently have, Bruce Brown is on the Warriors' radar, sources said. Brown, who was traded from the Indiana Pacers to the Toronto Raptors in a package for All-Star Pascal Siakam, finds himself as one of the better players on the market this season. The Los Angeles Lakers and New York Knicks have been two teams in contact with the Raptors in recent weeks regarding Brown, sources said. An instrumental part of the Denver Nuggets' championship run a season ago, Brown is a utility player who can wear many different hats for his team.



Defensively, Brown is a really strong player who can guard numerous positions as well. Although undersized, this is what makes him an intriguing fit for a team like the Warriors, who need toughness and tenacity on defense from their secondary talents. The interesting part about pursuing a trade for Brown is that he can only be dealt by himself ahead of the deadline. The Raptors can't aggregate his salary with others.

This would put the Warriors in a small bind. The Raptors have a few other players in Gary Trent Jr. and Otto Porter Jr. who would make sense as additional assets for Golden State to bring back in a trade, including Brown. Then again, the Raptors have made it clear that they want at least one first-round pick for Brown, as well as additional talent. The only path the Warriors could take in terms of pursuing Brown is a two-part trade that would actually be two separate transactions.


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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#837 » by Zeno » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:06 pm

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Pertaining to the NBA trade deadline at hand and what options the Warriors currently have, Bruce Brown is on the Warriors' radar, sources said. Brown, who was traded from the Indiana Pacers to the Toronto Raptors in a package for All-Star Pascal Siakam, finds himself as one of the better players on the market this season. The Los Angeles Lakers and New York Knicks have been two teams in contact with the Raptors in recent weeks regarding Brown, sources said. An instrumental part of the Denver Nuggets' championship run a season ago, Brown is a utility player who can wear many different hats for his team.



Defensively, Brown is a really strong player who can guard numerous positions as well. Although undersized, this is what makes him an intriguing fit for a team like the Warriors, who need toughness and tenacity on defense from their secondary talents. The interesting part about pursuing a trade for Brown is that he can only be dealt by himself ahead of the deadline. The Raptors can't aggregate his salary with others.

This would put the Warriors in a small bind. The Raptors have a few other players in Gary Trent Jr. and Otto Porter Jr. who would make sense as additional assets for Golden State to bring back in a trade, including Brown. Then again, the Raptors have made it clear that they want at least one first-round pick for Brown, as well as additional talent. The only path the Warriors could take in terms of pursuing Brown is a two-part trade that would actually be two separate transactions.


https://clutchpoints.com/sources-dejounte-murray-bruce-brown-warriors-trade-deadline-rumors-intel

Basically what I suggested a couple pages back. Wiggins, Moody, pick for Brown followed by trade for Chris Paul virtual expiring for a collection of guys.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#838 » by ash_k » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:08 pm

SFour wrote:42 pages for Bruce Brown is crazy

Nah, just look at it as the EXTENDED Pascal Siakam trade - Thread!

Grimes, Fournier, Nwora and 4 x 1st RD picks for Pascal ?

If Brown can net us Grimes, Fournier and a 1st : Fournier would be a good player to re-sign at a much lower price of course as he still has plenty in the tank.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#839 » by ConSarnit » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:13 pm

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I really don’t get the Grimes love. He isn’t good. I think he had decent second year and that’s it. Decentish. Rather have cap space and roster spot open.

I disagree. He's a good defender and has shown he can shoot. Has fallen off a bit this year but he's only 23. Absurd to call him not good after three years. I think he can be a good contributor in a new environment.

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I like it fit wise with Scottie to. He can step in and be a Danny Green esque guy who just defends and shoots and I would be happy.

IQ/Grimes/Barrett/Barnes is a solid starting point. Long term Grimes is hopefully a bench guy for you (or the 5th guy behind 4 better players), and RJ is probably not a long term fit but hopefully we rehab the value where he can be salary and attractive for another team.

But IQ/Grimes is 16 or so 3 pointers attempted per 36 total at 37/38%. That is really really good around Barnes. Plus Dick hopefully eventually can guard at the 3 would give us 3 high volume shooters around Scottie.


Grimes is a good fit in our “cycle out current 5th/6th man sg for younger, cheaper version” plan. He can replace Trent, makes $5m next year and still has some upside. If he improves could be a solid starter and even if he doesn’t he can backup the 2/3 off the bench.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#840 » by Brinbe » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:13 pm

would have zero interest in taking back that Wiggins contract

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