Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[joesha1698]

The sad reality is Kyrie's trade worth. If you go around different fan bases and their forums, you can see that almost no one would accept Kyrie even if Mavs sent picks with him.

If Mavs had KAT-Lively frontcourt, I bet Luka would complain a lot less. Luka's frustration is due to Losses. It is not an easy transition from Real Madrid to here. Its not easy to digest to Mavs becoming borderline playoff team. This team used to be a lock for playoffs. Luka-Brunson-DFS-Dinwiddie roster made WCF.

I know the Lakers would accept Kyrie and I highly doubt Lakers fan would not. Kyrie is weapon X. You keep him and unleash him in the playoffs. If the Lakers could get Kyrie with AD and Lebron (and keep most of their defensive depth) they would be championship contenders.

Luka's frustration is due to immaturity. He's 24 years old and needs to grow up and act like a real leader. If Brunson liked playing with Luka so much he would have done more to stay. As for DFS and Dinwiddie - having tall/athletic guys who can play defense/handle the ball/ score is very important in this every so tall league. That was the price the front office paid to get Kyrie after losing Brunson. The logic is that its harder to replace a Brunson and easier to get two guys like Dinwiddie and DFS in the future. That logic is sound - as long as the front office does what it needs to do.

Yea I said almost no one wants to take him. Maybe Lakers was one of the options last year, perhaps even for this year. But I am not sure if there are more teams. 1 out of 30 teams? 2 out of 30 teams?

Kyrie situation is just so sad for Mavs and Luka.
Team made WCF was **** up due to letting Brunson go for cheap. Trying to correct the mistake, they **** up big time.
We were immensely lucky with Lively but still Mavs team is struggling to make playoffs. Luka putting MVP-caliber stats not being enough is just sad result of kyrie's classic franchise-destroying powers. Hope he somehow gets back to his own self from 7-8 years ago.

Dude, this is getting sad. Are you watching the same game? Luka scored 73 and barely beat the Hawks. Scored 45pt and barely beat the Magic. No matter what you think of Kyrie, our defense and team build has nothing to do with him. When Kyrie is on the court were a better team. At some point you have to put your bias aside and accept that Kyrie doesn't make roster decisions and he has helped this team. You lose credibility when you say he is a franchise destroyer....based on what? He came here and produced buckets and its not his fault the roster build is bad.

Anyways....

[joesha1698]

I know the Lakers would accept Kyrie and I highly doubt Lakers fan would not. Kyrie is weapon X. You keep him and unleash him in the playoffs. If the Lakers could get Kyrie with AD and Lebron (and keep most of their defensive depth) they would be championship contenders.

Luka's frustration is due to immaturity. He's 24 years old and needs to grow up and act like a real leader. If Brunson liked playing with Luka so much he would have done more to stay. As for DFS and Dinwiddie - having tall/athletic guys who can play defense/handle the ball/ score is very important in this every so tall league. That was the price the front office paid to get Kyrie after losing Brunson. The logic is that its harder to replace a Brunson and easier to get two guys like Dinwiddie and DFS in the future. That logic is sound - as long as the front office does what it needs to do.

Dinwiddie a good defender...you must be kidding...he was a bad defender,only thing he had on Kai was size...People really don't give Kyrie enough credit on D... he's a good defender, he's just small...he has troubles against stronger,bigger guards...his D on Steph and similar PG is good

Kyrie is an awful defender as far as what we saw in last 1 year in Dallas.
Him being an average defender for a specific height doesn't matter as there is no rule to play a light and short guys on the floor. Many teams abuse Kyrie and Mavs defense and rebounding because of this.

Stop with Kyrie apologism. He is a MAX player who is not playing like max. I mean he is not even playing most of the time...

Kyrie is not an awful defender. That's a straight lie. If you want to take a shot at Kyrie's defense - you can say he's aloof at times and takes unnecessary risks/fouls at times and at times overhelps and leaves his man. Aside from that, when he's playing fundamentally sound - he's solid.

Kyrie is one of those players that when he's cooking in big games - he puts so much pressure on the defense - that his defense only has to be avg at best most of the game. The same can be said for Luka.

[daoneandonly]

The most important ability is availability. It's not just a catchy saying, it's fact. Kyrie doesn't provide that, there's no arguing that

[BliscoSantos]

It's funny how People say Kyrie's bad on D yet praise Dinwiddie...Dinwiddie was never good on D ,he had problems guarding PG..yes they couldnt bully him,they just blew by him... Kyrie's a better defender than Brunson one on one,Brunson just took charges better...untill the Mavs improve the SF and PF position the D is gonna be bad...

Green: too small and not strong enough to guard SF
Exum: same as Green,not strong enough for SF...him and Green are Best suited to guard PG and SG
Grant: too small to guard PF and too slow to guard SF
Maxi: too slow to guard PF... he's lost his mobility
DJJ: can guard SF ,but has trouble with the stronger ones(the Best in the league)

Basicaly DJJ is the only one who can guard the Best SF in the league and they have no one who can guard PF...hell,Luka(when he tries) is the Best defender on a PF

I always thought that the Mavs players were overrated on D...good D is based on effort, unfourtunately Mavs lack on that when things don't go their way on O...as Long as the O is good the D is solid...but as soon as they have trouble scoring the D falls apart...instead of trying more on D they start to Focus on the wrong things

[joesha1698]

The most important ability is availability. It's not just a catchy saying, it's fact. Kyrie doesn't provide that, there's no arguing that

Well, I rather him not play through "hurts" so he doesn't actually get seriously inured. Luka needs to stop playing through all these "hurts." as well because they will turn into chronic and then into actual serious injuries. We need a well balance team so if Luka or Kyrie misses a game it isnt the end of the world. Unfortunately, we do not have that and depend on out-scoring teams most of the time.

Now if the front office doesn't like that Kyrie has legit injuries - they can trade him or not re-sign him. That's all. It's apart of the game though. Plus, if its about winning championships (your best players give u the best chance) and I rather they be health when it counts.

[ozwizard8]

I know the Lakers would accept Kyrie and I highly doubt Lakers fan would not. Kyrie is weapon X. You keep him and unleash him in the playoffs. If the Lakers could get Kyrie with AD and Lebron (and keep most of their defensive depth) they would be championship contenders.

Luka's frustration is due to immaturity. He's 24 years old and needs to grow up and act like a real leader. If Brunson liked playing with Luka so much he would have done more to stay. As for DFS and Dinwiddie - having tall/athletic guys who can play defense/handle the ball/ score is very important in this every so tall league. That was the price the front office paid to get Kyrie after losing Brunson. The logic is that its harder to replace a Brunson and easier to get two guys like Dinwiddie and DFS in the future. That logic is sound - as long as the front office does what it needs to do.

Yea I said almost no one wants to take him. Maybe Lakers was one of the options last year, perhaps even for this year. But I am not sure if there are more teams. 1 out of 30 teams? 2 out of 30 teams?

Kyrie situation is just so sad for Mavs and Luka.
Team made WCF was **** up due to letting Brunson go for cheap. Trying to correct the mistake, they **** up big time.
We were immensely lucky with Lively but still Mavs team is struggling to make playoffs. Luka putting MVP-caliber stats not being enough is just sad result of kyrie's classic franchise-destroying powers. Hope he somehow gets back to his own self from 7-8 years ago.

Dude, this is getting sad. Are you watching the same game? Luka scored 73 and barely beat the Hawks. Scored 45pt and barely beat the Magic. No matter what you think of Kyrie, our defense and team build has nothing to do with him. When Kyrie is on the court were a better team. At some point you have to put your bias aside and accept that Kyrie doesn't make roster decisions and he has helped this team. You lose credibility when you say he is a franchise destroyer....based on what? He came here and produced buckets and its not his fault the roster build is bad.

Anyways....

Dude, el duderino, his dudeness...

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* Kyrie is not playing half of the time while we are paying him MAX contract all the time... SAD
* Trading for Kyrie and giving him max money means you handicap yourself in SF-PF-C rotation heavily. SAD
* When Luka-Kyrie plays together, their overall record is like 18-20. SAD

I am aware of Luka's heavy load. Its because Kyrie is not available while taking MAX deal. When he is on court, Mavs record is not great, Luka still needs to do a lot. When Kyrie plays, Luka's defensive load actually increases because Kyrie gets easiest defensive matchup. So heavy load on Luka is not a new thing. Finding an actual solid wing players instead of Kyrie and a 6th men guard to take load of Luka is a better plan.

[ozwizard8]

It's funny how People say Kyrie's bad on D yet praise Dinwiddie...Dinwiddie was never good on D ,he had problems guarding PG..yes they couldnt bully him,they just blew by him... Kyrie's a better defender than Brunson one on one,Brunson just took charges better...untill the Mavs improve the SF and PF position the D is gonna be bad...

Green: too small and not strong enough to guard SF
Exum: same as Green,not strong enough for SF...him and Green are Best suited to guard PG and SG
Grant: too small to guard PF and too slow to guard SF
Maxi: too slow to guard PF... he's lost his mobility
DJJ: can guard SF ,but has trouble with the stronger ones(the Best in the league)

Basicaly DJJ is the only one who can guard the Best SF in the league and they have no one who can guard PF...hell,Luka(when he tries) is the Best defender on a PF

I always thought that the Mavs players were overrated on D...good D is based on effort, unfourtunately Mavs lack on that when things don't go their way on O...as Long as the O is good the D is solid...but as soon as they have trouble scoring the D falls apart...instead of trying more on D they start to Focus on the wrong things

All the mental gymnastics...

Claiming Kyrie is better defender than Brunson...
Claiming Kyrie is very good defender for his size and Dinwiddie being bad defender...
The very same people also claim Kyrie is great offensively too.

Why the **** Mavs suddenly start to struggle to make playoffs after Kyrie came here?

2021-22: Luka missed 15 games in the first half of the 2021-22 season and Brunson was enough to keep the team afloat.
2022-23: Dinwiddie-DFS team with Luka was doing much better than Kyrie-Luka team.
2023-24: This years roster is better than last year where we only had Powell-Mcgee.
D. Lively is the best center for the Luka-Mavs era. I dont like the Mavs FO but they did pretty decent job for signing DJJ-Williams-Exum for total of $16m or such.

So why Mavs struggle to even make playoffs? Luka is not playing any worse. Kidd is the same Kidd. He wasn't great a year ago or two years ago.

Stop the mental gymnastics. This guy **** up his last 3 teams in the last 7 years. In NBA, this is pretty long-term data.
Its like C.Wood. Many here said he is good. But no that guy had a similar last 7 years. Many blamed J.Kidd for Wood but the guy still sucks with Lakers.

[ozwizard8]

Kyrie is not an awful defender. That's a straight lie. If you want to take a shot at Kyrie's defense - you can say he's aloof at times and takes unnecessary risks/fouls at times and at times overhelps and leaves his man. Aside from that, when he's playing fundamentally sound - he's solid.

Kyrie is one of those players that when he's cooking in big games - he puts so much pressure on the defense - that his defense only has to be avg at best most of the game. The same can be said for Luka.

Sorry for your feelings but reality is harsh. Kyrie is playing bad defense since he came to Dallas. He is a liability on defense. He takes easiest matchup and or smallest guys. He is not putting pressure on defense.
Offensively he is far from cooking apart few games per season. His best performances were mostly against teams like Portland etc.
We all watch him against Celtics. In most games, he is not there to bail out Luka like Brunson did. Exum-Brunson are much better at dictating the tempo as PGs while Kyrie likes to chucking shots.

You're talking as a fan, as a casual. Kyrie was great offensively 5-7 years ago. He lost step. It happens to small guards. Kemba Walker is an example. D.Lillard has also lost step too.

If your team has Luka (great offensive player, subpar defender), then you do not need another MAX player that is a liability on defense. Kyrie may have had a better defensive prime than Brunson but watched his games for 1 year. Kyrie cant put that much effort, and athleticism on defense anymore. He is injured half of the games. Its probably not possible for him to defend with effort the whole game.

[ozwizard8]

The most important ability is availability. It's not just a catchy saying, it's fact. Kyrie doesn't provide that, there's no arguing that

when he is available Kyrie-Luka duo is 18-20 together.
I wonder how many seasons are required for some people here to accept this pairing doesn't work at all.
Unless god gifts us prime S.Marion or PG13-Kawhi duo, this is not working.

[ozwizard8]

Everybody has something bad and negative to say about Ben Simmons but he makes a team better despite his FT's and lack of 3 pts attempts and makes. His defensive toughness and ability to guard 1 thru 5 on the court very few teams have. The guy plays on winning teams and has his hands on the ball offensively and defensively all the time . I'm still waiting on someone to show all of us how he contributes to losing when his team usually wins when he's playing.

Healthy Ben Simmons was an All-NBA talent. I mean he was making All-NBA team for a reason.
He was able to switch anyone on the court. He was the best Luka defender throughout the NBA. He is pretty good as help defender too. Lots of steals, great transition player for offense and even defense. He can rebound pretty good due to his physical advantage too.

I think what made him a laughing stock was more related to health problems than mental ones. And its hard to claim that he can stay healthy and play 60 games now. So he is more of a minus asset due to his max deal. If gets waived, I am pretty sure many teams would call him for vet. min signing.

[Archx]

Kyrie is not an awful defender. That's a straight lie. If you want to take a shot at Kyrie's defense - you can say he's aloof at times and takes unnecessary risks/fouls at times and at times overhelps and leaves his man. Aside from that, when he's playing fundamentally sound - he's solid.

Kyrie is one of those players that when he's cooking in big games - he puts so much pressure on the defense - that his defense only has to be avg at best most of the game. The same can be said for Luka.

You're talking as a fan, as a casual.

We're all fans and casuals here. Unless you work for Mavs organization, then sorry.

[BliscoSantos]

It's funny how People say Kyrie's bad on D yet praise Dinwiddie...Dinwiddie was never good on D ,he had problems guarding PG..yes they couldnt bully him,they just blew by him... Kyrie's a better defender than Brunson one on one,Brunson just took charges better...untill the Mavs improve the SF and PF position the D is gonna be bad...

Green: too small and not strong enough to guard SF
Exum: same as Green,not strong enough for SF...him and Green are Best suited to guard PG and SG
Grant: too small to guard PF and too slow to guard SF
Maxi: too slow to guard PF... he's lost his mobility
DJJ: can guard SF ,but has trouble with the stronger ones(the Best in the league)

Basicaly DJJ is the only one who can guard the Best SF in the league and they have no one who can guard PF...hell,Luka(when he tries) is the Best defender on a PF

I always thought that the Mavs players were overrated on D...good D is based on effort, unfourtunately Mavs lack on that when things don't go their way on O...as Long as the O is good the D is solid...but as soon as they have trouble scoring the D falls apart...instead of trying more on D they start to Focus on the wrong things

All the mental gymnastics...

Claiming Kyrie is better defender than Brunson...
Claiming Kyrie is very good defender for his size and Dinwiddie being bad defender...
The very same people also claim Kyrie is great offensively too.

Why the **** Mavs suddenly start to struggle to make playoffs after Kyrie came here?

2021-22: Luka missed 15 games in the first half of the 2021-22 season and Brunson was enough to keep the team afloat.
2022-23: Dinwiddie-DFS team with Luka was doing much better than Kyrie-Luka team.
2023-24: This years roster is better than last year where we only had Powell-Mcgee.
D. Lively is the best center for the Luka-Mavs era. I dont like the Mavs FO but they did pretty decent job for signing DJJ-Williams-Exum for total of $16m or such.

So why Mavs struggle to even make playoffs? Luka is not playing any worse. Kidd is the same Kidd. He wasn't great a year ago or two years ago.

Stop the mental gymnastics. This guy **** up his last 3 teams in the last 7 years. In NBA, this is pretty long-term data.
Its like C.Wood. Many here said he is good. But no that guy had a similar last 7 years. Many blamed J.Kidd for Wood but the guy still sucks with Lakers.

Claiming Dinwiddie is a good defender,that's a joke..We all miss JB,Cuban and the FO fumbled the ball... there's no point crying now...Kyries availability is hurting the Mavs...JB would help on O(cause he's healthy) but he wouldn't help the D...did you watch FIBA WC...he was being targeted on D...New York surrounded him and Randle with great defenders who can also do things on O, they're not one way specialists like the Mavs ...yes the Mavs played great in his last season but you seem to forget that others who contributed quite a lot fell of a cliff..Reggie,Maxi,Dinwiddie who's having the worst FG% in the league, Dodo are all playing worse ...the WCF run was a fluke,Atlanta did the same and how are they doing now(and they have better players)

Let's say they didn't trade for Kyrie (JB left ) and the team stayed as it was without trading for Kyrie...what makes you think they could trade for another star??who was available??who's want to come to Dallas?? The price they paid for Kyrie was low and they took it...it hasn't payed off but they aren't done with upgrading the roster....they made to many mistakes in the past 6 years and they're paying the price .. it's not just Kyrie availability that's the problem... let's Look at the Best teams in the league,they all have solid rotation...now lets Look at the Mavs..Green started slow(is still incosistent)..Grant forgot to Play BB,(he's like Barkley when they stole his talent in Space Jam)..Maxi is useless as are Powell and Holmes..Hardy had 3 good games the entire season..Exum is hurt a lot but when healthy was basicaly Mavs forth Best Player,and he's on a minimum contracts...DJJ is everythimg you could hope for a minimum,a positive surprise...and let's not forget the coaching team that's simply horrible..I still think that with a better coach,a set sistem,this team would play a lot better and have a better record

[Maverick41]

It looks like Minny is looking for a scoring guard and are rumored to be looking at Bogdan Bogdanovic from ATL. What about the following in case they wanted someone with a shorter contract:

DAL Receives: Reid + Milton + filler (to keep Minny below luxury tax)
MIN Receives: THJ + Powell

DAL gets one of the best backup bigs who can also slot in and play together with Lively as a 4 in bigger lineups. He becomes our 6th man now as he has a quick trigger himself. Milton is poor man's THJ who's in there for salary matching purposes but can be useful if he can retain his prior form.

MIN gets a guard/wing that fits the team very well. They won't be able to play all of KAT, Gobert and Reid big minutes in the playoffs so they instead trade 1 to get a position of need. They add Powell too as backup insurance.

[tleikheen]

tleikheen wrote:
Everybody has something bad and negative to say about Ben Simmons but he makes a team better despite his FT's and lack of 3 pts attempts and makes. His defensive toughness and ability to guard 1 thru 5 on the court very few teams have. The guy plays on winning teams and has his hands on the ball offensively and defensively all the time . I'm still waiting on someone to show all of us how he contributes to losing when his team usually wins when he's playing.

Healthy Ben Simmons was an All-NBA talent. I mean he was making All-NBA team for a reason.
He was able to switch anyone on the court. He was the best Luka defender throughout the NBA. He is pretty good as help defender too. Lots of steals, great transition player for offense and even defense. He can rebound pretty good due to his physical advantage too.

I think what made him a laughing stock was more related to health problems than mental ones. And its hard to claim that he can stay healthy and play 60 games now. So he is more of a minus asset due to his max deal. If gets waived, I am pretty sure many teams would call him for vet. min signing.

Nets arent going to waive Ben Simmons .In 18 minutes in his 1st game back after missing 38 games he came 2 rebounds short of a triple double.
Why does everyone one want to waste a yr of Luka's contract . The Mavs organization is trying to bring in someone 6'8" or taller who can handle the ball and get rebounds and preferrably fitting Luka's timeline , Two guys fit that Kyle Kuzma (28 y o ) and now with the return of Ben Simmons (27 y o). Kuzma has a good contract and Simmons contract ends 24/25 seasons end.

[BliscoSantos]

Wiggins is playing better and GSW want to keep him,at least till end od the season...Kuzmas price tag is too much,same for Jeramy Grant...Dallas apparently has the Best betting odds to land PJ Washington (second on the list is he stays in Charlotte)...if they can get him for Kleber or Holmes and seconds I'd be down,bit they would probably want more...there really isn't a good Player available since the players they should trade(Holmes,Kleber) have no value and THJ for PJ doesn't make sense for Dallas without a sweetener from CHA

[41Dirk41]

Btw Simmons will probably win the ROY this year too...

[tleikheen]

Btw Simmons will probably win the ROY this year too...

You think you're funny ,you reduce yourself and you're opinions as worthless to look at ......Most of us have been watching BB for along time and you make statements that are ridicules.

[Realtalk420]

Btw Simmons will probably win the ROY this year too...

You think you're funny ,you reduce yourself and you're opinions as worthless to look at ......Most of us have been watching BB for along time and you make statements that are ridicules.

Oh, the irony

[tleikheen]

Now about Kuzma ( 65.3% of Kuzma’s field goals come off the dribble, according to NBA.com.)
{Last year, Luka Doncic was exceptionally efficient in the post, especially for a guard. Luka averaged 1.14 points per possession (PPP) on post ups, third in the entire league for players who averaged at least 3 post ups per game},not so good this yr at .89 PPP pts.{While Luka still leads the team, he’s in the 26th percentile in post scoring in the league,} {Kuzma, on the other hand, averages 1.1 PPP in the post this year. Good for 15th in the league among players with at least one post up possession per game.}{ Dallas is currently tied for second in the league (with Kuzma’s Wizards) with 1.21 PPP in transition. Kuzma lives in transition, as his 4.5 transition possessions per game are currently tied for 11th in the league. Not only that, but Kuzma averages 1.27 PPP in transition, fifth in the league among players with at least 4 transition possessions per game.}{Kyrie Irving is considered one of the best finishers in NBA history, Luka gets to the rim at will, and standout rookie Dereck Lively II leads the entire league with a FG% of 79.1% in the restricted area (minimum of 4 field goal attempts per game in the restricted area). Kuzma, who is currently shooting 73.6% in the restricted area on 4.7 attempts per game,}https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/analyzing-kyle-kuzma-s-fit-with-the-dallas-mavericks/ar-BB1hrL9e#

This is while Kyle Kuzma is the one other teams gameplan their defenses to stop. Plus he is playing with Tyus Jones and Jordan Poole . Just think if he was playing with Luka ,Kyrie and Dante ,3 other guys who play downhill . It's about WIns and Kuzma looks like he would fit it easily with the Mavs.

[dirkules_41]

The most important ability is availability. It's not just a catchy saying, it's fact. Kyrie doesn't provide that, there's no arguing that

That's about the truest thing on this page of the thread. His availibility is a real issue.
On court when he is available he is one of our better defenders (imo after Dante our best defender at 1 and 2 - both stats and eyeball test attest to that) and his offensive qualities don't need to be discussed at all. But something needs to improve about the availibility.
Ozwizards takes are wild to say the least...