Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas -Trade Deadline Thursday 2 pm CT

[drone3]

I'm on the Avdija train and get Wright to come along

[ShootingtheJ]

MKE: Avdija, Wright
NYK: Tyus, Portis
WAS: Fournier, Connaughton, Grimes, Beauchamp, DAL '24 1st (Top-10 protected), WAS '24 1st returned, NYK '25 1st (lottery protected) PDX '24 2nd, MKE '27 2nd

Can we get Tyus and Avdija instead?

I wish.

It's OK, I like Jones, but he disappears in the playoffs. Wright rises to the occasion.

Your deal is sound, but I think the Knicks are the wrong 3rd team. I doubt they like Portis. They want centers that are shot blockers and roll men. Houston is the 3rd team. Houston will want Pat too.

[RiotPunch]

Can we get Tyus and Avdija instead?

I wish.

It's OK, I like Jones, but he disappears in the playoffs. Wright rises to the occasion.

Your deal is sound, but I think the Knicks are the wrong 3rd team. I doubt they like Portis. They want centers that are shot blockers and roll men. Houston is the 3rd team. Houston will want Pat too.

Yeah, mostly focusing on New York lately with Randle being out for a while. Houston makes sense, for sure. I still love Bobby for OKC, too. He's the perfect mid-tier asset for Presti to add to their rotation while keeping the powder mostly dry. Could see them valuing Pat as well.

[-Jragon-]

Don't trade - GA, Dame, Brook
Prefer to keep - AJJ, Jae, Bobby

Everyone else to me can be packaged - try to increase defense without dropping much offensive production. Just make sure you replace each skill, for example:
*don't trade Beas without bringing shooting
*don't trade Cam without getting a ball handler back
*Etc

[-Jragon-]

You "trade Bobby guys" ...... just realize that Caruso or whoever isn't coming in to play PF minutes so don't weaken 1 area to strengthen another or we're just playing wack a mole... better make damn sure we can get PJ to play those backup 4 minutes with Jae or whoever because otherwise we're 1 injury away from Thanasis or Robin playing BIG playoff minutes and that can lose a series. Looking at some undervalued qualities regarding Bobby:

1. He's big and can cover most 4's and some 5's 1 v 1 despite being slow on help D
2. He comes off the bench or sits out of the last 5 min without complaining (would Middleton?)
3. He can shoot from deep
4. He can create his own space and shot
5. He's crafty in finding open space to give passers lanes to find him
6.He gets big rebounds and tap outs with good position and hustle
7. Very reasonable contract
8. Can play a small ball 5 if teams go that way
9. Now the obvious -- team guy, fan favorite, heart and soul type, etc

The problem is: besides if we can get PJ.. who else do you think is coming that's going to provide those things? Is Garnett or Duncan coming out of retirement? Remember how teams had to sign corpses of Blake Griffen to hack us or Drummond to play the 4 or 5 for big playoff minutes and it killed them? They wouldn't have loved Bobby to come in and get those minutes? Unless you know who is coming in and that they will provide, don't go sending a Bobby package for a guard.

[Baddy Chuck]

Remember how teams had to sign corpses of Blake Griffen to hack us .... for big playoff minutes and it killed them? They wouldn't have loved Bobby to come in and get those minutes?

The series Bobby was picking up CD-DNP's?

[LuessiT]

Avdija has a poison pill contract. Very hard to match.

[-Jragon-]

Remember how teams had to sign corpses of Blake Griffen to hack us .... for big playoff minutes and it killed them? They wouldn't have loved Bobby to come in and get those minutes?

The series Bobby was picking up CD-DNP's?

You aren't always going to have a good matchup as a backup you play when needed. My point is that he has skills we may or may not need so make sure we have someone to do it. You're completely ignoring the rest of the points, as usual. Do players ever get injured or is that a myth? Do you want Robin plodding around instead in that case?

[drone3]

Easy pick up would be Frank Ntilikina...LT It's time

[-Jragon-]

You same dudes do this every year.. you pick 1 dude and decide you that's the 1 let's trade him despite the reality of -- ok so who is coming to do that and has the size these guys have? Last year it was Brook. You are right in that our front court guys aren't perfect but do you realize that skilled bigs are rare and we have 3? It's a luxery. If we KNOW we are getting someone that can fill in then fine but don't leave is thin. Injuries happen and Bobby could hold the fort down for parts of series and keep us competitive. Do you want to play small ball vs every team like Golden state has for the last couple years and get destroyed by big teams?

[Baddy Chuck]

Remember how teams had to sign corpses of Blake Griffen to hack us .... for big playoff minutes and it killed them? They wouldn't have loved Bobby to come in and get those minutes?

The series Bobby was picking up CD-DNP's?

You aren't always going to have a good matchup as a backup you play when needed. My point is that he has skills we may or may not need so make sure we have someone to do it. You're completely ignoring the rest of the points, as usual. Do players ever get injured or is that a myth? Do you want Robin plodding around instead in that case?

I think if you trade Bobby, yes, you need to find some minute eaters but I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with your point that trading Bobby creates as big a hole as it solves (assuming you get a Caruso guy or something). I think Bobby is an awesome minute eater type guy in the regular season and in the playoffs I think his role is diminished and I think his skill set really doesn't add much at all to the team tbh. Replacing Brook or Giannis on the court I don't think he allows you to really play any faster, he certainly doesn't add anything defensively, your not going small with him and going triple big has never really been a thing. I see a lot of his value as almost just not being Brook Lopez but he doesn't exactly excel or add even anything we need when Brook struggles. I think if you replaced him with an "average" NBA backup and got a Caruso type it adds a dimension that makes this team much more dynamic and covers a lot more ground than an "average" guy and Bobby does by a pretty large margin. I think the argument is even there that just replacing Bobby with a different backup power forward adds a dimension to the team that outweighs Bobby's strengths, like a DFS or even a Larry Nance type guy. Yeah, Bobby has strengths. Personally the more I watch him the more I don't think his strengths add much to this team.

[-Jragon-]

The series Bobby was picking up CD-DNP's?

You aren't always going to have a good matchup as a backup you play when needed. My point is that he has skills we may or may not need so make sure we have someone to do it. You're completely ignoring the rest of the points, as usual. Do players ever get injured or is that a myth? Do you want Robin plodding around instead in that case?

I think if you trade Bobby, yes, you need to find some minute eaters but I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with your point that trading Bobby creates as big a hole as it solves (assuming you get a Caruso guy or something). I think Bobby is an awesome minute eater type guy in the regular season and in the playoffs I think his role is diminished and I think his skill set really doesn't add much at all to the team tbh. Replacing Brook or Giannis on the court I don't think he allows you to really play any faster, he certainly doesn't add anything defensively, your not going small with him and going triple big has never really been a thing. I see a lot of his value as almost just not being Brook Lopez but he doesn't exactly excel or add even anything we need when Brook struggles. I think if you replaced him with an "average" NBA backup and got a Caruso type it adds a dimension that makes this team much more dynamic and covers a lot more ground than an "average" guy and Bobby does by a pretty large margin. I think the argument is even there that just replacing Bobby with a different backup power forward adds a dimension to the team that outweighs Bobby's strengths, like a DFS or even a Larry Nance type guy. Yeah, Bobby has strengths. Personally the more I watch him the more I don't think his strengths add much to this team.

Say we're against Philly and GA and Brook are in foul trouble early against Embiid. See, I think Bobby can bang with him a bit to get us to the 3rd quarter. I don't think Jae can.. you think a waiver wire guy big will magically appear that can do that and also give you scoring/shooting? I just think a Bobby, although a bit flawed, is more rare than you guys think. Also he looks a little quicker this year and so does Jae.. those 2 are eating better and in the gym... Griff was messing Bobby up by making him double without coverage. You're trading the wrong guys.. keep Bobby and Jae.. scoring, size, shooting and hustle aren't just hanging out on waivers.

[-Jragon-]

Bobby's not untouchable.. I'm just saying make sure you have someone that WILL come, not hypotheticals. Otherwise it's like when we fired Bud without a backup plan.. how did that work out?

[RiotPunch]

The ignore button is a beautiful tool.

MKE: Avdija, Wright
HOU: Portis Connaughton
WAS: Oladipo, Landale, Beauchamp, HOU '25 1st (Top-10 protected), PDX '24 2nd, MKE '27 2nd

Pick compensation might be off a bit, but mayyybe.

[RiotPunch]

Avdija has a poison pill contract. Very hard to match.

Traditionally, PP's are extremely difficult to maneuver, but not so much in Deni's case. He counts as $6,263,188 outgoing for WAS and $13,750,00 ($55M divided by 4 years, descending contract) incoming for MKE, and in a three-team deal, $7,486,812 is a very maneuverable number (WAS can absorb some money, potentially a 3rd team can as well, obviously the Bucks can't.)

[Baddy Chuck]

Say we're against Philly and GA and Brook are in foul trouble early against Embiid. See, I think Bobby can bang with him a bit to get us to the 3rd quarter. I don't think Jae can.. you think a waiver wire guy big will magically appear that can do that and also give you scoring/shooting? I just think a Bobby, although a bit flawed, is more rare than you guys think. Also he looks a little quicker this year and so does Jae.. those 2 are eating better and in the gym... Griff was messing Bobby up by making him double without coverage. You're trading the wrong guys.. keep Bobby and Jae.. scoring, size, shooting and hustle aren't just hanging out on waivers.

I mean I think if you want to get into specific things ok now let's do Tyrese Maxey running circles around us on the perimeter, against our starts nonetheless. Also like, if your scenario is "how will we defend x" regarding Bobby Portis your argument is just flawed because he's just straight up not a good defender. Your argument is he's basically a big body, which you can sign off street. I mean in your scenario I would just simply much rather have Giannis guarding Embiid, much like in our finals matchup where we had Giannis disrupting the pick and roll as the center on Ayton with Bobby being "hidden" on Torey Craig or something.

And personally, I don't see Bobby's offensive game as all that amazing come playoffs. Can we be honest with ourselves a little here? He's been a sub 10 points a game player for us in the playoffs on not very good efficiency (53% TS%). Is there ever a time where you're taking the ball our of Giannis, now Dame or even Khris' hand in favor of a Bobby Portis look? I mean, I'm not seeing much. Is the Bobby Portis look even better than say posting up Brook? Not really IMO. I think in a long regular season where guys take nights off (figuratively and literally) a guy like Bobby Portis can find spots where he can be very effective at times on the offensive side but when things grind down in the playoffs a Bobby Portis offensive possession is almost never going to be one of your best looks. To me his defensive deficiencies and offensive style just make him a pretty replaceable player.

[tsamo]

Has anyone else noticed that all our former SGs(in the Bud era) are playing pretty good right now, as if to mock us for not knowing what to do with the position, especially on defense?

Malcolm Brogdon: 16/3.6/5.5/0.7/0.2 on 44.2/41.9/83 efficiency and 57TS%
Donte DiVincenzo: 12.2/3.2/2.3/1.1/0.3 on 45.9/42.6/73.3 efficiency and 62.6TS%
Grayson Allen: 13.2/4.1/2.8/1/0.6 on 51.5/49.5/88.6 efficiency and 70TS% (Career highs across the board so far)

[AussieBuck]

I could talk myself into Bobby on a good day if he hadn't **** with his 3 ball technique. Going with two days in a row of depressing basketball comps, he's playing like Drew Gooden without the passing.

[-Jragon-]

I could talk myself into Bobby on a good day if he hadn't **** with his 3 ball technique. Going with two days in a row of depressing basketball comps, he's playing like Drew Gooden without the passing.

I didn't see that he changed something. Did you notice a change or he said he did? Or are you noting the % drop and assuming? Change can be good if it's from coaching but he better get that straightened out quick

[yannisk]

Has anyone else noticed that all our former SGs(in the Bud era) are playing pretty good right now, as if to mock us for not knowing what to do with the position, especially on defense?

Malcolm Brogdon: 16/3.6/5.5/0.7/0.2 on 44.2/41.9/83 efficiency and 57TS%
Donte DiVincenzo: 12.2/3.2/2.3/1.1/0.3 on 45.9/42.6/73.3 efficiency and 62.6TS%
Grayson Allen: 13.2/4.1/2.8/1/0.6 on 51.5/49.5/88.6 efficiency and 70TS% (Career highs across the board so far)

DDV would probably fit better, he plays the better defense and seems to finally fixed his shooting. Trading him for the washed up Ibaka did not work

Allen is shooting the lights out, he is nothing on defense (better than Beasley though). I have seen him enough times shrinking in the playoffs to not consider his shooting sustainable

I don't care about Brogdon, he wanted to leave and he is always injured