NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[AussieBuck]

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Ask yourself how many Mavs starters, except Kyrie, who is out a lot, would start in Celtics, Bucks, Nuggets, Thunder, Clippers....? No one would. But on the other hand, they would like to have some Mavs bench players.

Exum would be an amazing fit on the Bucks at SG, Josh Green wouldn't be a bad option either.

I see you like your countrymen very much. Exum plays very well for Mavs, but has unfortunately again big problems with injuries.

Josh played few good games, but isn't having good season till now. He's very energetic but very limited in everything else and his D, is not exceptional either. Exum is better in everything. Josh is not starting material in a serious team.

Beasley is much better shooter than both of them, which is kinda important playing with Giannis. And maybe the most important thing that he's always available. Exum and Josh have already missed 28 games together.

Nah, just countering your contention that Luka doesn't have useful teammates. Not hard to boost your guy without **** canning everyone else.

[eyeatoma]

Is he wrong?

Stop with your moral high ground. What should be happening is this entire board should be apologising for the **** they gave this man. Instead you're trying to say, ooooh, bad sixers, bad Embiid for putting him out there when he was hurt, what were they thinking. Sure it was irresponsible. But why oh why might they have done this? Hmmm I have no idea... Oh yeah, maybe because of the assinine conspiracy that was created by fans and some media members. Just lol.

I believe that injured player is playing RS game only, if he himself wants to. It was stupid and he probably should be stopped, but nobody is stopping modern superstars from doing anything nowadays. He played because of the new rules for rewards, not because he was bullied by the fans.

Agreed, but I guarantee you that the public outrage at him supposedly ducking (even though he knew the truth) most definitely got to him. Put yourself in his place. How would you feel? Empathy is something many fans lacked when joining in this discourse. Instead of thinking why he might be doing this, they went with the easiest, most viral theories as a justification for his actions. That is pathetic.

[Bob8]

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Exum would be an amazing fit on the Bucks at SG, Josh Green wouldn't be a bad option either.

I see you like your countrymen very much. Exum plays very well for Mavs, but has unfortunately again big problems with injuries.

Josh played few good games, but isn't having good season till now. He's very energetic but very limited in everything else and his D, is not exceptional either. Exum is better in everything. Josh is not starting material in a serious team.

Beasley is much better shooter than both of them, which is kinda important playing with Giannis. And maybe the most important thing that he's always available. Exum and Josh have already missed 28 games together.

Nah, just countering your contention that Luka doesn't have useful teammates. Not hard to boost your guy without **** canning everyone else.

Just check Mavs roster in last game and Celtics roster in last game and then tell me that Tatum and Luka have similar teammates in the starting 5. And then compare all starting 5 in top 16 Nba teams and tell me, who has worse starters?

Exum was out of the league mostly because of his injuries and Josh is averaging 8/3/2 with 56 TS%, not exactly starting numbers.

[AussieBuck]

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I see you like your countrymen very much. Exum plays very well for Mavs, but has unfortunately again big problems with injuries.

Josh played few good games, but isn't having good season till now. He's very energetic but very limited in everything else and his D, is not exceptional either. Exum is better in everything. Josh is not starting material in a serious team.

Beasley is much better shooter than both of them, which is kinda important playing with Giannis. And maybe the most important thing that he's always available. Exum and Josh have already missed 28 games together.

Nah, just countering your contention that Luka doesn't have useful teammates. Not hard to boost your guy without **** canning everyone else.

Just check Mavs roster in last game and Celtics roster in last game and then tell me that Tatum and Luka have similar teammates in the starting 5.

Exum was out of the league mostly because of his injuries and Josh is averaging 8/3/2 with 56 TS%, not exactly starting numbers.

Leading your reply with an absurd strawman isn't helping you. Have a good one, Luka superfan.

[ohmuri]

Funny asking for empathy and playing morals while in a childish tantrum wishing some fanbases get stripped of their teams.

[Bob8]

Nah, just countering your contention that Luka doesn't have useful teammates. Not hard to boost your guy without **** canning everyone else.

Just check Mavs roster in last game and Celtics roster in last game and then tell me that Tatum and Luka have similar teammates in the starting 5.

Exum was out of the league mostly because of his injuries and Josh is averaging 8/3/2 with 56 TS%, not exactly starting numbers.

Leading your reply with an absurd strawman isn't helping you. Have a good one, Luka superfan.

Didn't we talk about starting units? Find me 1 starting unit in top 20 team worst than with who Mavs are playing on average. And I'm giving you Exum as solid starter, when he's not injured.

[eyeatoma]

Funny asking for empathy and playing morals while in a childish tantrum wishing some fanbases get stripped of their teams.

Neither one of those constitute me being morally corrupt or unempathetic. It's a legit conversation I wanted to have, based on facts that have been shared through research and the media. My timing was off, but the question was legitimate. There is zero evidence or legitimacy to **** that was being spewed online about him missing games. Just a bunch of stats thrown with zero context. If you put this stuff up that people were talking about and they were defending it in a doctorate or a court of law, they would laugh.

[AussieBuck]

Just check Mavs roster in last game and Celtics roster in last game and then tell me that Tatum and Luka have similar teammates in the starting 5.

Exum was out of the league mostly because of his injuries and Josh is averaging 8/3/2 with 56 TS%, not exactly starting numbers.

Leading your reply with an absurd strawman isn't helping you. Have a good one, Luka superfan.

Didn't we talk about starting units? Find me 1 starting unit in top 20 team worst than with who Mavs are playing on average. And I'm giving you Exum as solid starter, when he's not injured.

You can go back and re-read the first response I made if you need, it's one page back. You can just leave the goal posts where they are or we can instead just not keep doing this, I'm good either way.

[Mavrelous]

Stop with your moral high ground. What should be happening is this entire board should be apologising for the **** they gave this man. Instead you're trying to say, ooooh, bad sixers, bad Embiid for putting him out there when he was hurt, what were they thinking. Sure it was irresponsible. But why oh why might they have done this? Hmmm I have no idea... Oh yeah, maybe because of the assinine conspiracy that was created by fans and some media members. Just lol.

I believe that injured player is playing RS game only, if he himself wants to. It was stupid and he probably should be stopped, but nobody is stopping modern superstars from doing anything nowadays. He played because of the new rules for rewards, not because he was bullied by the fans.

Agreed, but I guarantee you that the public outrage at him supposedly ducking (even though he knew the truth) most definitely got to him. Put yourself in his place. How would you feel? Empathy is something many fans lacked when joining in this discourse. Instead of thinking why he might be doing this, they went with the easiest, most viral theories as a justification for his actions. That is pathetic.

Any update on Embiid's injury? What does he have? I can't see anything definitive, yet everyone is acting like his season is over.

[Bob8]

Leading your reply with an absurd strawman isn't helping you. Have a good one, Luka superfan.

Didn't we talk about starting units? Find me 1 starting unit in top 20 team worst than with who Mavs are playing on average. And I'm giving you Exum as solid starter, when he's not injured.

You can go back and re-read the first response I made if you need, it's one page back. You can just leave the goal posts where they are or we can instead just not keep doing this, I'm good either way.

And I agree for Exum, he looked great, except that availability matters a lot too, missing 1/3 of the games is huge. If Kyrie, Exum, Lively, Josh, Kleber wouldn't missed that many games, Mavs would be much better in standings. Unfortunately Mavs have played with 30+ different starting lineups, missing more than 1 starter in many games.

I don't agree for Josh. He has bad handles, plays too erratic, and can hit only open corner 3s with low volume.

[Bob8]

Stop with your moral high ground. What should be happening is this entire board should be apologising for the **** they gave this man. Instead you're trying to say, ooooh, bad sixers, bad Embiid for putting him out there when he was hurt, what were they thinking. Sure it was irresponsible. But why oh why might they have done this? Hmmm I have no idea... Oh yeah, maybe because of the assinine conspiracy that was created by fans and some media members. Just lol.

I believe that injured player is playing RS game only, if he himself wants to. It was stupid and he probably should be stopped, but nobody is stopping modern superstars from doing anything nowadays. He played because of the new rules for rewards, not because he was bullied by the fans.

Agreed, but I guarantee you that the public outrage at him supposedly ducking (even though he knew the truth) most definitely got to him. Put yourself in his place. How would you feel? Empathy is something many fans lacked when joining in this discourse. Instead of thinking why he might be doing this, they went with the easiest, most viral theories as a justification for his actions. That is pathetic.

He just wants those awards too much. Just look at Jokic, he's not losing any energy for that. Embiid needs to win a ring, if he wants to be admired, not another MVP title or scoring title.

[eyeatoma]

I believe that injured player is playing RS game only, if he himself wants to. It was stupid and he probably should be stopped, but nobody is stopping modern superstars from doing anything nowadays. He played because of the new rules for rewards, not because he was bullied by the fans.

Agreed, but I guarantee you that the public outrage at him supposedly ducking (even though he knew the truth) most definitely got to him. Put yourself in his place. How would you feel? Empathy is something many fans lacked when joining in this discourse. Instead of thinking why he might be doing this, they went with the easiest, most viral theories as a justification for his actions. That is pathetic.

Any update on Embiid's injury? What does he have? I can't see anything definitive, yet everyone is acting like his season is over.

I'm not going to speculate but most optimistic is a few weeks out. With worst case being season ending. He walked so that's good I suppose.

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[Bob8]

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I believe that injured player is playing RS game only, if he himself wants to. It was stupid and he probably should be stopped, but nobody is stopping modern superstars from doing anything nowadays. He played because of the new rules for rewards, not because he was bullied by the fans.

Agreed, but I guarantee you that the public outrage at him supposedly ducking (even though he knew the truth) most definitely got to him. Put yourself in his place. How would you feel? Empathy is something many fans lacked when joining in this discourse. Instead of thinking why he might be doing this, they went with the easiest, most viral theories as a justification for his actions. That is pathetic.

Any update on Embiid's injury? What does he have? I can't see anything definitive, yet everyone is acting like his season is over.

People are upset because his MVP bid is over, which might be the best thing for Embiid and Sixers. He now can concentrate on the only really important thing.

[Mavrelous]

People are upset because his MVP bid is over, which might be the best thing for Embiid and Sixers. He now can concentrate on the only really important thing.

I agree, he should throw away all individual awards this year and focus on healthy PO, the problem is that standing wise, they also aren't in a good spot, 4th/5th seed and you get Celtics in the 2nd round, which looks like the best team in the league right now.

[Bob8]

People are upset because his MVP bid is over, which might be the best thing for Embiid and Sixers. He now can concentrate on the only really important thing.

I agree, he should throw away all individual awards this year and focus on healthy PO, the problem is that standing wise, they also aren't in a good spot, 4th/5th seed and you get Celtics in the 2nd round, which looks like the best team in the league right now.

If they want to win it all, it really doesn't matter, who do they get in the 2nd round.

[Mavrelous]

People are upset because his MVP bid is over, which might be the best thing for Embiid and Sixers. He now can concentrate on the only really important thing.

I agree, he should throw away all individual awards this year and focus on healthy PO, the problem is that standing wise, they also aren't in a good spot, 4th/5th seed and you get Celtics in the 2nd round, which looks like the best team in the league right now.

If they want to win it all, it really doesn't matter, who do you get in the 2nd round.

The deeper you face a team the better the chances, I'd rather face the Celtics after 12 PO games, 6-7 of them fighting OG and Hartenstein to score, than after dispatching the Hawks in 5.

[Bob8]

I agree, he should throw away all individual awards this year and focus on healthy PO, the problem is that standing wise, they also aren't in a good spot, 4th/5th seed and you get Celtics in the 2nd round, which looks like the best team in the league right now.

If they want to win it all, it really doesn't matter, who do you get in the 2nd round.

The deeper you face a team the better the chances, I'd rather face the Celtics after 12 PO games, 6-7 of them fighting OG and Hartenstein to score, than after dispatching the Hawks in 5.

I'm not sure about that. I believe Embiid is not exactly made for long playoffs, every round will be more difficult for him. Maybe the best chance would be playing Celtics in round one, which probably won't happen, but who knows if Embiid is long term out.

[Ruma85]

Austin Krell: For those who don’t know, Embiid goes back to the locker room after each stint he plays, often to change jerseys. He wears 4 jerseys per game. Point is not every trip to the locker room is about an injury.

[BruttoNostra]

Stop with your moral high ground. What should be happening is this entire board should be apologising for the **** they gave this man. Instead you're trying to say, ooooh, bad sixers, bad Embiid for putting him out there when he was hurt, what were they thinking. Sure it was irresponsible. But why oh why might they have done this? Hmmm I have no idea... Oh yeah, maybe because of the assinine conspiracy that was created by fans and some media members. Just lol.

I believe that injured player is playing RS game only, if he himself wants to. It was stupid and he probably should be stopped, but nobody is stopping modern superstars from doing anything nowadays. He played because of the new rules for rewards, not because he was bullied by the fans.

Agreed, but I guarantee you that the public outrage at him supposedly ducking (even though he knew the truth) most definitely got to him. Put yourself in his place. How would you feel? Empathy is something many fans lacked when joining in this discourse. Instead of thinking why he might be doing this, they went with the easiest, most viral theories as a justification for his actions. That is pathetic.

Good lord, what a pathetic loser mentality.
First Denver and Utah should not have teams in the NBA, now it's the "public outrage that got to him" - and what? He still didn't play in Denver. You could have blamed the public only if Embiid was playing "injured" in Denver - but for god's sake he didn't play. And the only one who cares about him playing as much games as possible before and after Denver, is Embiid himself, who stayed number of times to statpad during garbage time, while being "injured" (something his stans never respond directly to, always provide some strawman instead).
GTFOH with yet another fake narrative. You would make a great politician with that skill.

[VicG]

Embiid was having a monster year but him being injured should be expected every season. Same with Harden disappointing in May (the media is currently loving the Clippers while ignoring this basic truth).

These are great players but when the same things happen year after year you should consider it when things are going well.