Blue Jays 23/24 Offseason Thread

Parataxis · Post #941 » by **Parataxis** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:51 pm

SharoneWright wrote:What, no outrage!? LOL

What are we supposed to be outraged about in this picture?

duppyy · Post #942 » by **duppyy** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:57 pm

Parataxis wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:What, no outrage!? LOL

What are we supposed to be outraged about in this picture?

The masks.

Brinbe · Post #943 » by **Brinbe** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:56 pm

No news on Vladdy getting The Show cover?

Pretty big deal, especially for a Toronto athlete.

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dagger · Post #944 » by **dagger** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:37 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
Raptors Realtor wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Which prospects?

Martinez, Barger & Palmegiani.

I dont see any of those guys making the jump for real at bats this season

How do you know? You can say that about just about any rookie prior to spring training. Yes, they need to prove themselves, but just because the Blue Jays have a lamentable record of graduating their most highly rated prospects to their own major league roster - as opposed to trading them - doesn't mean that one of that trio isn't going to break through this season, either in the spring or after a month or two of the AAA season.

duppyy · Post #945 » by **duppyy** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:01 pm

Brinbe wrote:No news on Vladdy getting The Show cover?

Pretty big deal, especially for a Toronto athlete.

Read on Twitter

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I didn't realize he was the main cover athlete, assumed it was just the Canadian cover. Kinda shocking he's on it with the season he had.

Post #946 » by **Harry Palmer** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:05 pm

duppyy wrote:
Brinbe wrote:No news on Vladdy getting The Show cover?

Pretty big deal, especially for a Toronto athlete.

Read on Twitter

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I didn't realize he was the main cover athlete, assumed it was just the Canadian cover. Kinda shocking he's on it with the season he had.

HR Derby.

agkagk · Post #947 » by **agkagk** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:10 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:
duppyy wrote:
Brinbe wrote:No news on Vladdy getting The Show cover?

Pretty big deal, especially for a Toronto athlete.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

I didn't realize he was the main cover athlete, assumed it was just the Canadian cover. Kinda shocking he's on it with the season he had.

HR Derby.

I guess he has universal appeal in the “tween” demographic.

I mean he still looks like a big kid! *shrugs*

WuTang_CMB · Post #948 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:36 pm

dagger wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Raptors Realtor wrote:
Martinez, Barger & Palmegiani.

I dont see any of those guys making the jump for real at bats this season

How do you know? You can say that about just about any rookie prior to spring training. Yes, they need to prove themselves, but just because the Blue Jays have a lamentable record of graduating their most highly rated prospects to their own major league roster - as opposed to trading them - doesn't mean that one of that trio isn't going to break through this season, either in the spring or after a month or two of the AAA season.

I havent seen anything out of these guys to confidently say they will break through this season. I dont see any top tier prospects knocking on the door ready to make an impact for the jays. Maybe Palmegiani but i dont see that this year unless serious injuries happen.

polo007 · Post #949 » by **polo007** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:53 pm

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WuTang_CMB · Post #950 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:34 pm

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Randle McMurphy · Post #951 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:13 am

polo007 wrote:

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No Chapman.

DelAbbot · Post #952 » by **DelAbbot** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:20 am

Madvillainy2004 wrote:
And1Skip wrote:So is Turner a better, more power, right-handed Brandon Belt? (with a bit more versatility since he can play 3B)

He's worst than Belt imo, he's healthier and hits for a higher average but Belt washes him in OPS+ and WRC+. Also he had like -6 OAA in 7 games at 3rd idk how much we want him out there.

It's still a decent because its short and Turner can still hit 25+ homeruns with decent OPS. Verse the mystery box that is Soler who probably wanted more years + money.

Turner is not worse than Belt. Have you checked Belt's hitting profile? He had a K% of 35% last year - that's insane - the only reason he didn't hit sub-Mendoza is 0.370 BABIP which is about 50 points higher than his career - Belt is due to regression back to 0.210 hard.

Turner's hitting is not the old-ball-player Three-True-Outcomes so he has aged more stable / gracefully. Although there are signs he is due for a fall off a cliff moment (see his deteriorating #'s against high fastball)

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/blue-jays-bet-13-million-that-justin-turners-still-got-it/

I don't like this contract of 13M as it takes us above last year's payroll despite a huge hole at 3B, but I prefer the gamble on Turner than Belt for the next season

Madvillainy2004 · Post #953 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:44 am

DelAbbot wrote:
Madvillainy2004 wrote:
And1Skip wrote:So is Turner a better, more power, right-handed Brandon Belt? (with a bit more versatility since he can play 3B)

He's worst than Belt imo, he's healthier and hits for a higher average but Belt washes him in OPS+ and WRC+. Also he had like -6 OAA in 7 games at 3rd idk how much we want him out there.

It's still a decent because its short and Turner can still hit 25+ homeruns with decent OPS. Verse the mystery box that is Soler who probably wanted more years + money.

Turner is not worse than Belt. Have you checked Belt's hitting profile? He had a K% of 35% last year - that's insane - the only reason he didn't hit sub-Mendoza is 0.370 BABIP which is about 50 points higher than his career - Belt is due to regression back to 0.210 hard.

Turner's hitting is not the old-ball-player Three-True-Outcomes so he has aged more stable / gracefully. Although there are signs he is due for a fall off a cliff moment (see his deteriorating #'s against high fastball)

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/blue-jays-bet-13-million-that-justin-turners-still-got-it/

I don't like this contract of 13M as it takes us above last year's payroll despite a huge hole at 3B, but I prefer the gamble on Turner than Belt for the next season

I mean I was comparing the production Belt gave us verse what Turner will give us nobody wants Belt back obviously. But Turner probably isn't giving us 136 OPS+ from the DH spot, maybe he plays more so he might equal that value in raw production (he's still 39 so who knows) but based on 2023 Belt vs 2024 Turner he's not as good. But he shouldn't be that much worse. I see the strategy get cheap options to replace what we had in Chapman/Belt with IKF/Turner and hope Kirk/Springer/Vlad/Varsho bounce back to make up the difference and then some.

Randle McMurphy · Post #954 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:55 am

Madvillainy2004 wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
Madvillainy2004 wrote:
He's worst than Belt imo, he's healthier and hits for a higher average but Belt washes him in OPS+ and WRC+. Also he had like -6 OAA in 7 games at 3rd idk how much we want him out there.

It's still a decent because its short and Turner can still hit 25+ homeruns with decent OPS. Verse the mystery box that is Soler who probably wanted more years + money.

Turner is not worse than Belt. Have you checked Belt's hitting profile? He had a K% of 35% last year - that's insane - the only reason he didn't hit sub-Mendoza is 0.370 BABIP which is about 50 points higher than his career - Belt is due to regression back to 0.210 hard.

Turner's hitting is not the old-ball-player Three-True-Outcomes so he has aged more stable / gracefully. Although there are signs he is due for a fall off a cliff moment (see his deteriorating #'s against high fastball)

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/blue-jays-bet-13-million-that-justin-turners-still-got-it/

I don't like this contract of 13M as it takes us above last year's payroll despite a huge hole at 3B, but I prefer the gamble on Turner than Belt for the next season

I mean I was comparing the production Belt gave us verse what Turner will give us nobody wants Belt back obviously. But Turner probably isn't giving us 136 OPS+ from the DH spot, maybe he plays more so he might equal that value in raw production (he's still 39 so who knows) but based on 2023 Belt vs 2024 Turner he's not as good. But he shouldn't be that much worse. I see the strategy get cheap options to replace what we had in Chapman/Belt with IKF/Turner and hope Kirk/Springer/Vlad/Varsho bounce back to make up the difference and then some.

Keep in mind that Belt was also a pure platoon guy. Turner isn't. He'll (presumably) play in more games.

Asianiac_24 · Post #955 » by **Asianiac_24** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:29 am

Pretty happy with this deal, way better than giving Chapman a long term deal

And1Skip · Post #956 » by **And1Skip** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:27 pm

duppyy wrote:
Brinbe wrote:No news on Vladdy getting The Show cover?

Pretty big deal, especially for a Toronto athlete.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

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I didn't realize he was the main cover athlete, assumed it was just the Canadian cover. Kinda shocking he's on it with the season he had.

Though last year the cover athlete was Jazz Chisholm Jr. Mike Trout has never been on the cover (maybe its a rights thing) but couldn't. Couldn't they use someone like Ronald Acuna?

polo007 · Post #957 » by **polo007** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:33 pm

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DelAbbot · Post #958 » by **DelAbbot** » Thu Feb 1, 2024 12:49 am

And1Skip wrote:
duppyy wrote:
Brinbe wrote:No news on Vladdy getting The Show cover?

Pretty big deal, especially for a Toronto athlete.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

I didn't realize he was the main cover athlete, assumed it was just the Canadian cover. Kinda shocking he's on it with the season he had.

Though last year the cover athlete was Jazz Chisholm Jr. Mike Trout has never been on the cover (maybe its a rights thing) but couldn't. Couldn't they use someone like Ronald Acuna?

Acuna makes way more sense than a 1WAR DH.

DelAbbot · Post #959 » by **DelAbbot** » Thu Feb 1, 2024 12:50 am

polo007 wrote:

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Are these incentives embedded in the 13M or in addition to the 13M base?

dagger · Post #960 » by **dagger** » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:50 pm

Morosi says the Jays are turning away any trade inquiries about Alec Manoah, like the offseason work he has been putting in, and are considering him part of the rotation heading into the spring.