NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[losmi]

Embiid went into this season with a plan to stat pad for another MVP award, then burned out halfway through but couldn't let it go and destroyed himself. If you want to blame media for something, blame them for giving him a pity MVP that fueled his hunger for rewards he's not deserving and capable of getting.

[eyeatoma]

Embiid went into this season with a plan to stat pad for another MVP award, then burned out halfway through but couldn't let it go and destroyed himself. If you want to blame media for something, blame them for giving him a pity MVP that fueled his hunger for rewards he's not deserving and capable of getting.

More twisted narratives. This post epitomises the mob mentality of our general population.

[Wolfgang630]

I’ve seen some comments talks about people out there were rooting or wanted Embiid to be injured. Nobody wanted him to be injured. If you’re anti-Embiid for mvp then you would want him to rest so he’s ready for the playoffs and not focusing on mvp stats. That would benefit your guy you’re rooting for to win mvp since that would be one less person to contend with. Nobody is rooting or wanting him to be injured though.

[eyeatoma]

I’ve seen some comments talks about people out there were rooting or wanted Embiid to be injured. Nobody wanted him to be injured. If you’re anti-Embiid for mvp then you would want him to rest so he’s ready for the playoffs and not focusing on mvp stats. That would benefit your guy you’re rooting for to win mvp since that would be one less person to contend with. Nobody is rooting or wanting him to be injured though.

I'd hope not, and I'd say most on here don't. But plenty of people were refusing to say that he was hurt before hand, and came up with a bunch of reasons, when the most obvious one (he was hurt) was ignored constantly.

[yannisk]

Embiid is injury prone, so he needs load management. He has to miss a certain amount of games so that his small injuries don't deteriorate. The problem is that the load management happens so that in a b2b for example, he plays the easy game and rests on the difficult one. Is this a team decision? I don't know, but most MVPs would not tolerate that, they would rise to the challenge and play the difficult game instead of stat pad against the weak teams.

Embiid has won an mvp last year. He is the guy that actively campaigned for the mvp. "What more do I have to do to win the mvp?", "There are players that have not won anything and have two mvps". When Perkins played the race card, Jokic pulled his feet of the gas and a close race leaned towards Embiid at the end who won fair and square. Jokic avoided the controversy concentrated on the playoffs and won the championship.

This year the league introduced the minimum games requirement. Embiid in the same way he flops during games to get awarded FTs he tried to "flop" his way to the mvp. He avoided almost all the difficult away games and stat padded against the bottom feeders. Now he is in difficult position that he has missed many games already and he has to play almost all games to remain eligible for the mvp, but he will risk his health.

He should forget the mvp race and try to be healthy for the playoffs. His playoff record is abysmal, if he wants to be remembered as a great player he has to accomplish something in the postseason

[_NoMas]

I agree, he should throw away all individual awards this year and focus on healthy PO, the problem is that standing wise, they also aren't in a good spot, 4th/5th seed and you get Celtics in the 2nd round, which looks like the best team in the league right now.

If they want to win it all, it really doesn't matter, who do you get in the 2nd round.

The deeper you face a team the better the chances, I'd rather face the Celtics after 12 PO games, 6-7 of them fighting OG and Hartenstein to score, than after dispatching the Hawks in 5.

There’ll be no Hawks in the first round for Philly this year that’s for sure! Given they are v unlikely to get the 1 or 2 seed, they’re facing one of the Knicks, Pacers, Heat or Cavs in round 1. They could easily be bounced out…

[Wolfgang630]

I’ve seen some comments talks about people out there were rooting or wanted Embiid to be injured. Nobody wanted him to be injured. If you’re anti-Embiid for mvp then you would want him to rest so he’s ready for the playoffs and not focusing on mvp stats. That would benefit your guy you’re rooting for to win mvp since that would be one less person to contend with. Nobody is rooting or wanting him to be injured though.

I'd hope not, and I'd say most on here don't. But plenty of people were refusing to say that he was hurt before hand, and came up with a bunch of reasons, when the most obvious one (he was hurt) was ignored constantly.

Well hopefully he’ll be healthy enough for the playoffs. At the end of the day you want to see great players battle it out. Celtics have been his personal kryptonite like the Pistons were for Jordan.

[CD_41]

Funny asking for empathy and playing morals while in a childish tantrum wishing some fanbases get stripped of their teams.

Neither one of those constitute me being morally corrupt or unempathetic. It's a legit conversation I wanted to have, based on facts that have been shared through research and the media. My timing was off, but the question was legitimate. There is zero evidence or legitimacy to **** that was being spewed online about him missing games. Just a bunch of stats thrown with zero context. If you put this stuff up that people were talking about and they were defending it in a doctorate or a court of law, they would laugh.

Stuff like this makes me mad. As someone else said in here, you‘d make a good politician.

First: Fleeing in a ridiculous debate is a pathetic tactic. And repeating a thousand times that this is „solely based on facts“ does not answer the questions of how much of a difference this really makes and especially how this holds up against others factors like a bigger market.

Yet, I have not seen you adress the „bigger market“ argument. And I think we know why. Cause it is way stronger and has bigger implications than high altitude.

Ducking a strong argument is a habit/tactic of yours, I‘ve experienced myself in discussions with you a lot.
And since you‘re posting so much, the „opponent“ leaves the argument eventually cause they‘re tired.
Then, you often stir the discussion in a totally different playing field, where you see a better chance of winning an argument, which often leads to nothing since other posters can quickly disprove these arguments as well.

And now to the worst part: When you realize, that you posted something really stupid, you tend to concede only the most minor thing (here: your timing, LOL) to „silence“ the crowd. That is political behavior at its best.
Unfortunately for you, people are not stupid in here, so they see through these tactics.

I will predict that you will either ignore my post or pick some minor thing you can concede or stir the topic into another direction. If that is your first reaction, please don‘t waste time on this.

[Exp0sed]

And how many wins you would get with Hardy, Green, Williams, Lively and league average Pg?

Over or under 10?

I'm not saying that that 2021/22 Denver roster was better, I'm saying that Denver in 2021/22 was not much better than Mavs in 2023/24. And I'm pretty sure that Jokic with Josh/Grant/DJJ and THJ can't do anything special either.

Grant started great in Mavs and then has fallen off the cliff until recently. And if you like +/-, on/off, check his. He should be sent in G-league immediately based on that.

i'm with u, we agree on the principle points

where we disagree is, that I don't need to check Williams's +-. my argument would be that Jokic would have found ways to incorporate him in a positive way. he wouldn't be a negative playing next to Jokic, dude just has that ability in a way that Luka does not

maybe i'm wrong but that's my take and theres' plenty of circumstantial evidence to support this hypothesis

and yes, Jokic with Josh,Grant, THJ etc wouldn't do much..he's just carry them to 48-50 wins and be bounced in the first rd by a real contender, just like he was with Barton an Monte Morris so no argumet there

[Exp0sed]

The Answer

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Sengun has been better individually than say...Brunson
if the Rockets weren't so abysmal at home he's probably be top 7 in MVP, like 6th or 7th idk. he's 21 and having a hell of a season
Alpie, Hali etc. are guys that are just gonna get better and be in more and more of these conversations in the coming years

[Exp0sed]

Congrats to majority of the posters in this thread who hate and thrash Embiid on daily basis. Did he already prove he's already injured and didn't ducked Jokic in Denver based on tonight's game seeing how hurt he is but still trying to play after all the slander he get the past few days? Doesn't matter anyway, seems like his new injury tonight will take weeks if not months before he can play again. Should be fun for some of you seeing him go down like that.

maybe he "proved" that he was injured, which still doesn't explain why they didn't just list him as questionble and kinda disrespecful o he Nuggets and the fans but that's on the organization not on Embiid

he also proved what i've been saying for 3 years:
Embiid'd body cannot sustain the rigors of an NBA season, that much is clear and has been clear for years
with that in mind, his strategy of playing at 40% usage to chase personal accolades is asinine

he's the last player that should be playing 35 mpg on 40% usage, he can't handle it
that's no a knock of him, it's mostly genetics but it's on him the decision to chase those stats at the expense of team's success

he needs to play 28 mpg on a normal 30% usage (if that), it will hurt his raw stats (and his personal accolades campaigns) but would give him a better chance to get to the playoffs in one piece

[Genjuro]

To blame the fans for Embiid's injury is insane. The fans were the ones calling him out for playing injured just to stat-pad and keep his streak alive. As for ducking the Nuggets, if he really was affected by the comments, he would've wanted to come back as late as possible to prove that he was really injured. So it really works the other way around.

The truth is that he's a grown-up guy obsessed with individual accolades and he's the one making decisions. Regardless, this injury was maybe inavoidable. Anyway it's sad.

[Wolfgang630]

You can’t blame the fans for Embiid’s injury, especially when he’s been injured since college. Did fans keep pressuring him and the college since then? Fans can’t tell Embiid or the Sixers management or Nick Nurse what to do.

[ag3]

Jalen Brunson is the MVP

[Chokic]

Hearing this news is heartbreaking. I feel for you sixers fans.
As far as I'm concerned joel embiid is/was the true mvp this season. Nobody came close to playing on his level this season. Also, I love how ppl get on embiid about wanting to win mvp yet they're so obsessed about jokic winning mvp even over denvers success as a team. The hypocrisy is astounding.

[CD_41]

Hearing this news is heartbreaking. I feel for you sixers fans.
As far as I'm concerned joel embiid is/was the true mvp this season. Nobody came close to playing on his level this season. Also, I love how ppl get on embiid about wanting to win mvp yet they're so obsessed about jokic winning mvp even over denvers success as a team. The hypocrisy is astounding.

What is lazy strawman. NO ONE wants Jokic to win MVP over Denver´s team success. Although Jokic is actually capable of doing both
You're argument is basically "I've won the first 50 meters of the 100 meters race, so there I won it all. Even though I'm finishing at 6th place in the end."

Stop trying to push weak narratives and just accept that Embiid is out of the conversation for MVP this year.
He had an amazing year, but it seems like he and Philly have to seriously plan around his health in order to get the team some postseason success.

[Infinite Llamas]

Hearing this news is heartbreaking. I feel for you sixers fans.
As far as I'm concerned joel embiid is/was the true mvp this season. Nobody came close to playing on his level this season. Also, I love how ppl get on embiid about wanting to win mvp yet they're so obsessed about jokic winning mvp even over denvers success as a team. The hypocrisy is astounding.

What in blazes are you talking about?

Why would a Jokic-for-MVP fan want Denver to lose? Wouldn’t that hurt his MVP case?!?!??

[losmi]

Hearing this news is heartbreaking. I feel for you sixers fans.
As far as I'm concerned joel embiid is/was the true mvp this season. Nobody came close to playing on his level this season. Also, I love how ppl get on embiid about wanting to win mvp yet they're so obsessed about jokic winning mvp even over denvers success as a team. The hypocrisy is astounding.

He wasn't the true mvp, neither this nor last nor any season. Nobody came close to stuffing bottom feeders on his level, that I can agree with you.

[Chokic]

Hearing this news is heartbreaking. I feel for you sixers fans.
As far as I'm concerned joel embiid is/was the true mvp this season. Nobody came close to playing on his level this season. Also, I love how ppl get on embiid about wanting to win mvp yet they're so obsessed about jokic winning mvp even over denvers success as a team. The hypocrisy is astounding.

He wasn't the true mvp, neither this nor last nor any season. Nobody came close to stuffing bottom feeders on his level, that I can agree with you.

Hes been the most dominant player in the league for past 3-4 seasons. He's also very injury prone and ppl confuse that with him choking in the playoffs. A fully healthy embiid is the best player in the league. Him owning jokic in the head to head is further proof of that.

[CD_41]

Hearing this news is heartbreaking. I feel for you sixers fans.
As far as I'm concerned joel embiid is/was the true mvp this season. Nobody came close to playing on his level this season. Also, I love how ppl get on embiid about wanting to win mvp yet they're so obsessed about jokic winning mvp even over denvers success as a team. The hypocrisy is astounding.

He wasn't the true mvp, neither this nor last nor any season. Nobody came close to stuffing bottom feeders on his level, that I can agree with you.

Hes been the most dominant player in the league for past 3-4 seasons. He's also very injury prone and ppl confuse that with him choking in the playoffs. A fully healthy embiid is the best player in the league. Him owning jokic in the head to head is further proof of that.

Wrong, that title clearly belongs to No. 15 on Denver.
AJokic is showing that dominance in the postseason as well.

Keep telling yourself that only injuries explain why Philly never goes far in the playoffs.
If you know anything about basketball, you'd understand why his playing style is much easier to shut down during the playoffs.
But it seems like you're only interested in your marketing campaign for Embiid and not actual basketball discussions.