The Sixers and Joel Embiid’s Health

[JVFRMN]

It should be redacted. It's the nbas job to do their due diligence to follow up on players medical history evaluations. Embiids knee injury is a pretty serious one and well documented having missed two seasons since the beggining of his career. It's a miracle he even became the player he has become. Embiid should not be penalized the same as those who have no prior medical history and want to rest/recover from bumps/bruises/soreness.

Even tho this new rule had good intentions its now causing more harm than good as players are forced to play thru injuries which could set them back even further financially ans possibly shorten their careers.

What forced him to play? He would have received his salary even if he had not played.

Social pressure by fans and media. The dude was legit injured prior to Denver game and everybody seemed to buy up the notion he wasn't hurt at all but was ducking jokic and avoiding playing in the altitude.

all this bull with your username? gtfo

[phanman]

I think this entire situation has just simply snowballed into a bigger issue because of his late game injury. All this talk about a longer pre-existing injury is just pure speculation and the biggest counter to it is what we saw him do to Wemby and the Spurs just last week. That was not a guy hobbled by a lingering injury. The team looked disinterested against the Pacers and got blown out and everybody chalked it up to now having Maxey and the team focusing on the weekend matchup vs the Nuggets.

When it comes to the being put on the injury report for Denver, I can understand why everybody decided not to as the plan was for him to play. Why go through the unnecessary media scrutiny when this time around Embiid was going to show up in Denver and play Jokic. Nobody really knows if he got injured in the days leading up to that matchup, but something clearly happened as evidenced by him sitting out the following game against Portland.

The big issue here is on Nick Nurse and the medical staff not shutting him down but if you actually watched the game you can see why they made the decisions they did. Everybody could see that Embiid wasn't himself that first half but the supporting guys kept it close trailing 52-50. They struggled to start the 3rd and Embiid is subbed out down 13 with 2:44 remaining in the 3rd. Springer and Harris lead a comeback and Nurse sees a chance to steal the game subbing Embiid back in for Oubre down just 5 with 7:45 left in the game. He proceeds to lose them the game missing his only shot, committing 3 turnovers and grabbing 1 rebound, 1 foul and 1pt off a technical FT in the next ~3mins before Kuminga falls on his knee.

For context, you need to remember what kind of coach Nick is. He rides his stars and if he see's an avenue to win a game, he's going to do whatever it takes to do it. For better or worse, that's what you sign up for when you hire him. The team was sliding riding a 3 game losing streak and the future looks bleak with all the injuries they have.

[Chokic]

What forced him to play? He would have received his salary even if he had not played.

Social pressure by fans and media. The dude was legit injured prior to Denver game and everybody seemed to buy up the notion he wasn't hurt at all but was ducking jokic and avoiding playing in the altitude.

So, you're saying that he played just to show everyone that he was really injured?

It was a lose lose situation for him. If he played there's a high chance of aggravating his injury and possibly setting him back further. If he didn't play then he will be blasted by his haters and critics as a loser and a duck.

[JustBuzzin]

I laugh when people question this dude sitting out games.

He's literally been having knee issues since he was drafted. Even played in the playoffs multiple times with knee issues.


Please stop questioning Embiid when it comes to sitting out games. He does it because he has to.

[knicksNOTslick]

Are people really complaining that the 65-game rule is why Embiid can't stay healthy? Newsflash: Embiid has NEVER stayed healthy even when he was load-managed.

They are complaining because they think Embiid should be allowed to play half the season and still get all the awards. That's the whole point, the awards.

I thought 2 weeks ago he said he cares more about being healthy for the playoffs and less about winning MVP. Yet here he is playing through an injury and getting hurt even more.

Dude is saying the right things but his actions say otherwise

[Bum Adebayo]

It's simple, the game at Denver should be the 1st game of the season, so that the likelihood that he is injured is close to zero.

[knicksNOTslick]

Social pressure by fans and media. The dude was legit injured prior to Denver game and everybody seemed to buy up the notion he wasn't hurt at all but was ducking jokic and avoiding playing in the altitude.

So, you're saying that he played just to show everyone that he was really injured?

It was a lose lose situation for him. If he played there's a high chance of aggravating his injury and possibly setting him back further. If he didn't play then he will be blasted by his haters and critics as a loser and a duck.

So he played hurt because he was getting blasted by haters and critics?

[bebopdeluxe]

Yikes that looks terrible. Sorry eyeatoma and Sixers fans. Hope he gets right.

Respect, bro. You have been here a long time and I always respect your takes - even if you are a Celtics fan.



For the rest of the GB who f'k'n buried Embiid for not playing Saturday night (ducking Jokic again), it is crystal clear now that he was hurt, and as this Sam Amick report in The Athletic suggests, the reason he tried to play last night was because of how much the national media (and the folks here on the GB) was crushing the guy for not playing.

https://theathletic.com/5240548/2024/01/31/joel-embiid-knee-injury-nba-65-game-rule/?source=emp_shared_article

HE. WAS. HURT.

So, I will now see how many others are as classy as bisme and apologize for their brutal takes on the guy.

This victimhood is unnecessary. He is a supermax player winning tens of millions a year because of fans' attention. I have not seen any other fans come out demanding apology for MJ's flu shot, Kobe playing with a broken finger, or CP3's game 7 loss to Mavs for tight legs. Fans did not drag him on the floor or have access to his or medical staff's mind for playing or not on Saturday night.

Maybe what Embiid fans can do is to not chanting for him to prove best player in the world during regular season but pray he can pace it out for the playoffs.

Richard Jefferson called him a "p@ssy" on social media. The entire basketball world dragged his azz for not playing on Saturday.

You are joking - right?

[winforlose]

Here is a thought, if he is physically able to play, why not play because he is making a ton of money to play. If he is unable to play, than say so and take the consequences (including missing out on All NBA and MVP.) Guys forcing themselves to play injured is a risk they take, but the team controls the rotations and could have said no. Everyone deserves accountability for their choices.

[losmi]

Social pressure by fans and media. The dude was legit injured prior to Denver game and everybody seemed to buy up the notion he wasn't hurt at all but was ducking jokic and avoiding playing in the altitude.

So, you're saying that he played just to show everyone that he was really injured?

It was a lose lose situation for him. If he played there's a high chance of aggravating his injury and possibly setting him back further. If he didn't play then he will be blasted by his haters and critics as a loser and a duck.

On contrary, if he didn't play that would confirm that he was injured. Playing in that condition made him a loser who's chasing the awards.

He played just to keep the 65 games hopes alive, and now his PR is spinning that media pressure forced him to play.

[Chokic]

So, you're saying that he played just to show everyone that he was really injured?

It was a lose lose situation for him. If he played there's a high chance of aggravating his injury and possibly setting him back further. If he didn't play then he will be blasted by his haters and critics as a loser and a duck.

So he played hurt because he was getting blasted by haters and critics?

Not saying it was the right or smartest action but yes he did it to save face. When you have media members who should remain professional and objective choosing sides on this matter and piling on you are backed into a corner. The better question is why are we not addressing the issue of social bullying by the fans and media? None of this would have happened if they just shut up and let the season play out to decide the mvp at the end of the season.

[dygaction]

Respect, bro. You have been here a long time and I always respect your takes - even if you are a Celtics fan.



For the rest of the GB who f'k'n buried Embiid for not playing Saturday night (ducking Jokic again), it is crystal clear now that he was hurt, and as this Sam Amick report in The Athletic suggests, the reason he tried to play last night was because of how much the national media (and the folks here on the GB) was crushing the guy for not playing.

https://theathletic.com/5240548/2024/01/31/joel-embiid-knee-injury-nba-65-game-rule/?source=emp_shared_article

HE. WAS. HURT.

So, I will now see how many others are as classy as bisme and apologize for their brutal takes on the guy.

This victimhood is unnecessary. He is a supermax player winning tens of millions a year because of fans' attention. I have not seen any other fans come out demanding apology for MJ's flu shot, Kobe playing with a broken finger, or CP3's game 7 loss to Mavs for tight legs. Fans did not drag him on the floor or have access to his or medical staff's mind for playing or not on Saturday night.

Maybe what Embiid fans can do is to not chanting for him to prove best player in the world during regular season but pray he can pace it out for the playoffs.

Richard Jefferson called him a "p@ssy" on social media. The entire basketball world dragged his azz for not playing on Saturday.

You are joking - right?

The entire nba and Embiid are paid by fans and media. With Embiid calling "see you in two weeks in Denver", no announcement before from him/coach/medical staff, and ABC covering, of course people are going to judge based on info available and be upset for no show. RJ and Perks have prepared to pump him up, you know that, if Embiid wins in Denver, but their two versions of homework turned to nothing burger and you blame them mad?

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Some people will say he's being selfish going for personal accolades when he should be focused on the team's success and winning a chip. Others will say guys like Stockton and Malone and Ewing would scoff at today's players for not playing all of their games. You can't win. The league office will tout player safety while also complaining about players not playing on national games.

Everyone's a critic.

At this point I'm not sure what Embiid has to gain by playing hurt. Another MVP does little for his legacy in the short term. Long term it'll matter, yeah, but until he or the organization speaks up, we're all spitting in the wind guessing what's really being said in the background.

[Chokic]

So, you're saying that he played just to show everyone that he was really injured?

It was a lose lose situation for him. If he played there's a high chance of aggravating his injury and possibly setting him back further. If he didn't play then he will be blasted by his haters and critics as a loser and a duck.

On contrary, if he didn't play that would confirm that he was injured. Playing in that condition made him a loser who's chasing the awards.

He played just to keep the 65 games hopes alive, and now his PR is spinning that media pressure forced him to play.

So what's all the chatter about him not playing in denver?

[losmi]

It was a lose lose situation for him. If he played there's a high chance of aggravating his injury and possibly setting him back further. If he didn't play then he will be blasted by his haters and critics as a loser and a duck.

On contrary, if he didn't play that would confirm that he was injured. Playing in that condition made him a loser who's chasing the awards.

He played just to keep the 65 games hopes alive, and now his PR is spinning that media pressure forced him to play.

So what's all the chatter about him not playing in denver?

It was seen as intent to manipulate voters, to keep h2h in his favor. Especially because the same thing happened last year.

[eyeatoma]

There you have it...

As I said...Pressured by the community for their rabid nature.

Read on Twitter

[aj174]

MVP is such a meaningless stat.

How many MVPs did Kawhi win? 0. Finals MVPs? 2

I remember in 2019 he played 60/82 games and wasn't in the regular season mvp conversation....he didn't care

Embiid should have that mindset. Nurse gotta load manage this man cause he's their only shot at making a meaningful playoff run

The only thing that'll further embiids legacy right now are finals MVPs not regular season MVPs

Not like it did not mean anything, with 2 Finals MVPs where does Kawhi rank all time? Not top 20 band behind KG who has a regular season MVP not Finals MVP.

If Embiid were to win another 2 MVPs without a title, Kawhi is still ahead

[Dirk]

There you have it...

As I said...Pressured by the community for their rabid nature.

Read on Twitter

So he didn't feel pressure to actually play vs Denver. Where the real pressure was.

He wasn't even listed on the injury report... but then suddenly was OUT.

He then misses another game... which validated that he was injured.

And now some people will argue that finally he finally played because of pressure?

Embiid/Sixers had no problem sitting out a hyped game. That's fine, he was injured.

But then were forced "by social media" to play him against the Warriors? Did the social media warriors also forced him to stay in the game while he looked like he didnt move well?

Blaming social media is ridiculous. Sorry. Only Sixers/Doctors/Coaches/Embiid know and can decide whether he should or shouldnt play. They're the ones who look out for their interests and goals.

[eyeatoma]

Forget about all the ducking stuff, there’s something far more concerning going on here.

Do the Sixers even care about Embiid’s long term health?

This is a team that has routinely had a banged up Embiid at the pointy end of the season.

Yet here we are in February in a season where Embiid’s main goal really should be to prove himself in the playoffs and he’s out here hobbling on one leg in a random regular season game.

Then over the past few weeks they’ve put him back in games to chase meaningless streaks after he’s injured himself only to miss games after.

Either Embiid is far too obsessed with the MVP or the Sixers medical staff are just really stupid.

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a team with so little regard for the long term health of their star player, particularly one so injury prone.

Same medical staff that dealt with Bynum and Fultz and let Embiid play through a torn meniscus.

He needs to be rested a month. Also this is a lot of their fault but I hope NBA fans feel some shame for the ducking allegations through out the season.

Now do people believe he couldn't play in Denver???

Good post from you.


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Honest question has there really been no change in the training staff over the years?

I think there might have been a head of medical change but a lot are the same.

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[eyeatoma]

Respect, bro. You have been here a long time and I always respect your takes - even if you are a Celtics fan.



For the rest of the GB who f'k'n buried Embiid for not playing Saturday night (ducking Jokic again), it is crystal clear now that he was hurt, and as this Sam Amick report in The Athletic suggests, the reason he tried to play last night was because of how much the national media (and the folks here on the GB) was crushing the guy for not playing.

https://theathletic.com/5240548/2024/01/31/joel-embiid-knee-injury-nba-65-game-rule/?source=emp_shared_article

HE. WAS. HURT.

So, I will now see how many others are as classy as bisme and apologize for their brutal takes on the guy.

Disgusted by the national media. I can understand fans behaving as such but aren't they supppse to remain professional neutral instead of piling on and pressuring him to play. Smh

Embiid had been crying wolf each time he was supposed to play in Denver, with the biggest one coming last year at the height of the MVP race. So he was called out for the right reasons. No one is gonna take you seriously when the previous 5 years you have refused to play in Denver by pretending to be injured.

If he was injured which obviously he was then the 76ers should have forced him to sit and not be influenced by anyone else.

Lol still thought he was ducking.... He was hurt or ill every time.

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