Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[Pokuokic]

The stats below represent the performance of the second-best players in the last eight championships.

Notably, the only matching stat is between Bam and Wiggs, a series where the Celtics seemingly handed the victory to the Warriors. In contrast, the Celtics' second-best player maintained an average of 22 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists which is superior to Bam.

I'm cautious about declaring Bam as the second-best player on a championship team at this stage. At most, he appears to be a third-best. The statistics below also underscore the urgent need for a reliable scorer besides the main guy when playoff situations become intense.

Nuggets - Murray 21/6/10
Warriors - Wiggins 18/9/2
Bucks - Middleton 24/6/5
Lakers - Anthony Davis 25/11/3
Raptors - Siakam 20/8/4
Warriors - Steph Curry 27/6/7
Warriors - Steph Curry 27/8/10
Cavs - Kyrie Irving 28/4/4

Bam - 19 points, 10 rebounds, and 3 assists in 9 finals games

Those guys are actually being guarded (maye not Wiggins) all Bam's stats in the playoffs come from wide open looks and rolling to the rim for open dunks it's legit Serge Ibaka level type stuff.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Also keep in mind for everyone hyped up about the buyout market. Anyone signed in the buyout market is essentially costing Micky double in tax. He just got back 15 million from the Rozier deal and you think he's giving that back when he's still facing a 13.9 million dollar bill? Something's gotta give and I don't think we are done trying to cut the tax under the guise of improving. We are probably seeking another Rozier type of deal.

The more the merrier, let’s have an interesting deadline and something to actually look forward to post deadline

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The stats below represent the performance of the second-best players in the last eight championships.

Notably, the only matching stat is between Bam and Wiggs, a series where the Celtics seemingly handed the victory to the Warriors. In contrast, the Celtics' second-best player maintained an average of 22 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists which is superior to Bam.

I'm cautious about declaring Bam as the second-best player on a championship team at this stage. At most, he appears to be a third-best. The statistics below also underscore the urgent need for a reliable scorer besides the main guy when playoff situations become intense.

Nuggets - Murray 21/6/10
Warriors - Wiggins 18/9/2
Bucks - Middleton 24/6/5
Lakers - Anthony Davis 25/11/3
Raptors - Siakam 20/8/4
Warriors - Steph Curry 27/6/7
Warriors - Steph Curry 27/8/10
Cavs - Kyrie Irving 28/4/4

Bam - 19 points, 10 rebounds, and 3 assists in 9 finals games

Those guys are actually being guarded (maye not Wiggins) all Bam's stats in the playoffs come from wide open looks and rolling to the rim for open dunks it's legit Serge Ibaka level type stuff.

You watch with your eyes closed?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Also keep in mind for everyone hyped up about the buyout market. Anyone signed in the buyout market is essentially costing Micky double in tax. He just got back 15 million from the Rozier deal and you think he's giving that back when he's still facing a 13.9 million dollar bill? Something's gotta give and I don't think we are done trying to cut the tax under the guise of improving. We are probably seeking another Rozier type of deal.

The more the merrier, let’s have an interesting deadline and something to actually look forward to post deadline

If we can get back close to the tax line then for sure I can see us signing a buyout. As of right now we have to get 1.8 million under to even compete in the buyout market. We are not done if you are really looking at the ramification of these numbers they are currently looking at. It's true that the Rozier deal saved them a ton of money this year but they essentially go back to square one next year without another cost cutting follow up move. The only way that's accomplished is selling off either Duncan or Herro for expiring's or a player they really like making much less with the other half expiring.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Also keep in mind for everyone hyped up about the buyout market. Anyone signed in the buyout market is essentially costing Micky double in tax. He just got back 15 million from the Rozier deal and you think he's giving that back when he's still facing a 13.9 million dollar bill? Something's gotta give and I don't think we are done trying to cut the tax under the guise of improving. We are probably seeking another Rozier type of deal.

The more the merrier, let’s have an interesting deadline and something to actually look forward to post deadline

If we can get back close to the tax line then for sure I can see us signing a buyout. As of right now we have to get 1.8 million under to even compete in the buyout market. We are not done if you are really looking at the ramification of these numbers they are currently looking at. It's true that the Rozier deal saved them a ton of money this year but they essentially go back to square one next year without another cost cutting follow up move. The only way that's accomplished is selling off either Duncan or Herro for expiring's or a player they really like making much less with the other half expiring.

Like a sexton/KO for Herro situation it seems

[MettaWorldPanda]

For the trade Herro crowd I see an open window with the Pistons who recently inquired about LaVine so they are looking to take on a decent player on a long term contract cashing in there expiring's. Bojan Bogdonovic, Alec Burks, and Marcus Sasser could be the possible frame work of a deal that gets the Heat out of the tax, gets them a mid tier young prospect, and also improves them for a run this year. Bojan Bogdonovic is a no joke scorer in this league.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The more the merrier, let’s have an interesting deadline and something to actually look forward to post deadline

If we can get back close to the tax line then for sure I can see us signing a buyout. As of right now we have to get 1.8 million under to even compete in the buyout market. We are not done if you are really looking at the ramification of these numbers they are currently looking at. It's true that the Rozier deal saved them a ton of money this year but they essentially go back to square one next year without another cost cutting follow up move. The only way that's accomplished is selling off either Duncan or Herro for expiring's or a player they really like making much less with the other half expiring.

Like a sexton/KO for Herro situation it seems

In theory yes this is exactly what the Heat would be looking for but don't think the Jazz are looking to deal Sexton for Herro. Sexton is playing better then Herro and is on a cheap contract. Very little incentive to break up something that is working over there. If someone is trading for Sexton I would expect it's because Utah got them to overpay.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we can get back close to the tax line then for sure I can see us signing a buyout. As of right now we have to get 1.8 million under to even compete in the buyout market. We are not done if you are really looking at the ramification of these numbers they are currently looking at. It's true that the Rozier deal saved them a ton of money this year but they essentially go back to square one next year without another cost cutting follow up move. The only way that's accomplished is selling off either Duncan or Herro for expiring's or a player they really like making much less with the other half expiring.

Like a sexton/KO for Herro situation it seems

In theory yes this is exactly what the Heat would be looking for but don't think the Jazz are looking to deal Sexton for Herro. Sexton is playing better then Herro and is on a cheap contract. Very little incentive to break up something that is working over there. If someone is trading for Sexton I would expect it's because Utah got them to overpay.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Like a sexton/KO for Herro situation it seems

In theory yes this is exactly what the Heat would be looking for but don't think the Jazz are looking to deal Sexton for Herro. Sexton is playing better then Herro and is on a cheap contract. Very little incentive to break up something that is working over there. If someone is trading for Sexton I would expect it's because Utah got them to overpay.

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I saw that. They are trying to drum up interest to see how much someone would be willing to pay. Danny Ainge will sell if you overpay. Now is Herro and Jovic considered something he would want? Maybe I guess we gotta stay tuned because it does meet the objectives we talked about. Rozier and Sexton backcourt would have to be broken up with someone going to the bench.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Herro and Niko for KO and Sexton by the numbers is 29.5 to 29.3 so it is a perfect trade match money wise. Would be crazy if old man Riley dealt Herro to Ainge lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

In theory yes this is exactly what the Heat would be looking for but don't think the Jazz are looking to deal Sexton for Herro. Sexton is playing better then Herro and is on a cheap contract. Very little incentive to break up something that is working over there. If someone is trading for Sexton I would expect it's because Utah got them to overpay.

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I saw that. They are trying to drum up interest to see how much someone would be willing to pay. Danny Ainge will sell if you overpay. Now is Herro and Jovic considered something he would want? Maybe I guess we gotta stay tuned because it does meet the objectives we talked about. Rozier and Sexton backcourt would have to be broken up with someone going to the bench.

Take advantage of their situation. 15 1sts, Ainge loves Herro, to top it off he’s white so their racist fans will love it.

Why does Terry/Sexton need to be split but not Terry/Herro?

[MettaWorldPanda]

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I saw that. They are trying to drum up interest to see how much someone would be willing to pay. Danny Ainge will sell if you overpay. Now is Herro and Jovic considered something he would want? Maybe I guess we gotta stay tuned because it does meet the objectives we talked about. Rozier and Sexton backcourt would have to be broken up with someone going to the bench.

Take advantage of their situation. 15 1sts, Ainge loves Herro, to top it off he’s white so their racist fans will love it.

Why does Terry/Sexton need to be split but not Terry/Herro?

Sexton is currently getting away playing the two right now cause he's shadowed by the bigger defensive Dunn. I think Sexton is just about 6'3 with a 6'6 wingspan. He's a scrappy defender but just not sure of the fit with Rozier and Herro isn't a great fit either I might add.

[IceColdCubano]

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these dudes on twitter are wild, but it gets the juices flowing for sure.

[IceColdCubano]

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Its only crazy talk until its stops happening, until then we keep showing up with pimping steps, making absolutely no sense, braking the law of averages every time, basketball godz worst nightmare, but fully ready to beat any azz presented.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Duncan salary dump option.

[Hallstar]

Yes, he took a few bad Pullup 2s: Spo took a timeout after these possessions and Tyler didn't do it again.

This is his shot profile the last 8 games, they made adjustments since Jimmy returned and it is going in the right direction:



He takes 12% rim, 32% mid, 56% 3s; I would say this is almost ideal, could be even more 3s and rim attempts. Has to pick the mid rage sports better. His TS% is 54%, which should improve if he continues with this shot profile. He has been incredibly consistent as a floor spacer for them and has made 4+ 3s in 6 games and 2 twice.

I my opinion he needs to embrace his offball role even more. They really should just play him as a floor spacer always. Stagger Terry/Jimmy on ball and some relieve guys like Caleb. Tyler should just focus on C&S 3s, cuts for easy baskets and attacking closeouts with rim drives to either create a good shot for someone else or occasionally finnish there himself. If he embrace it, it will raise the ceiling of team and he could improve as a player by getting used to a more efficient shot profile, even if he wants to be on ball more in the future.

He just isn't a first option right now. Although he is not very far away, but he lacks more skills (drawing fouls is certainly one of them, which is difficult for a finness guy who rather doesn't want body contact). I don't even want him to lead the 2nd unit and come off the bench to take mid range shots, because even then he got 6th man, it was just average offense like it still is.

Also Tyler/Duncan on the court is a big nono, they should always play either of them and never at the same time, the defense is challenged enough.

If Tyler taking a floater over a big is a "bad shot" now, then we're just arguing in bad faith at that point.

We don't have an offensive system. I don't know why some Heat fans can't understand that. We haven't had one in years. It's why there's always so much bs about what's needed...everyone has their own idea of what we should be doing because nobody knows what we actually ARE trying to do

Herro is already tied for 3rd in the league for made 3s/game and if he continues what's been going on the last couple games would be clear 3rd behind Luka and Steph.

How you gonna tell a player take more 3s than anything else and then go oh he had a bad shooting night because he missed a couple midrange jumpers while hitting over 40% on a 1/3 of all the team's 3s

In some Heat fans minds, that's just replaceable because they think anybody can get off 10 clean 3s a game and make 40+%

What do you mean we don't have an offensive system? I don't think that's what you mean to say or it's something that isn't meant to be taken literally. Would you mind elaborating this?

In the sense that every time the Heat go out, what is their plan?

Philly is Embiid High post, Denver is everything through Jovic ft line, LAC is Harden pnr til death etc. What is our plan on offense?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Duncan, Dru Smith, and 2nd for Shamet and Wright.

[carnageta]

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Its only crazy talk until its stops happening, until then we keep showing up with pimping steps, making absolutely no sense, braking the law of averages every time, basketball godz worst nightmare, but fully ready to beat any azz presented.

We're custom built for the playoffs. Doesn't mean we can't get swept or demolished. Just means we play better under that environment (same opponent, no back-to-backs, less traveling, more film time, etc).

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If the Heat gets ousted in the first round this year basically everyone will be saying "I told you so, last year was a fluke, they'll never do it again" etc. etc, just like in 2021 when we lost to the Bucks with whatshisface hitting every single 3 pointer that he took

[IceColdCubano]

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Its only crazy talk until its stops happening, until then we keep showing up with pimping steps, making absolutely no sense, braking the law of averages every time, basketball godz worst nightmare, but fully ready to beat any azz presented.

We're custom built for the playoffs. Doesn't mean we can't get swept or demolished. Just means we play better under that environment (same opponent, no back-to-backs, less traveling, more film time, etc).

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If the Heat gets ousted in the first round this year basically everyone will be saying "I told you so, last year was a fluke, they'll never do it again" etc. etc, just like in 2021 when we lost to the Bucks with whatshisface hitting every single 3 pointer that he took

You mean like after the bubble year, were Milwaukee obliterated us and made Jimmy look human. I am aware, my fear is that very thing happening this year if we even get in that after a incredible run we lay an egg and we continue to be called flukes.

[IceColdCubano]

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Duncan salary dump option.

Anybody else notice that every year when we get close to the trade Deadline and Duncan is our cubby for a trade he gets injured and completely takes himself off the market. I just realized he just did the same thing again....LMAO dude is either playing the fortune/dice/cards or hes planning this out....talk about our luck every damn trade deadline, now here we are he starts playing like absolute crap again, to lessen his value and gets hurt. How long is the concussion protocol, dude is gaging that on the money to stay in the Miami life.....