Bob8 wrote:Mavs without Luka in last 3 years 39%. Denver without Jokic 35%. The difference between non impactful player and Jokic doesn't look that big, if we know that Jokic was far the best player in the league in that period.
Kind of pointless without also considering how well the team did when the respective player played. So I'll help out with that.
JOKIC
21-22 – 46W, 26L – 64%
22-23 – 48W, 21L – 70%
23-24 – 32W, 15L – 68%
TOTAL – 126W, 62L – 67%
DONCIC
21-22 – 44W, 21L – 68%
22-23 – 33W, 33L – 50%
23-24 – 23W, 17L – 58%
TOTAL – 100W, 71L – 58%
So there's an obvious gap when it comes to winning percentage when the two players actually play, and that has to be factored in when comparing how the teams fared without the star player. Jokic' team is considerably better when he plays compared to Luka's team, and worse when he doesn't play compared to Luka's team.
Now, there are a lot of other things to take into account such as:
a) who else was missing games;
b) what was strength of schedule;
c) what was the average margin of victory.
That's just for starters. Obviously that holds true for raw +/- numbers as well, just to be clear. But it's important to not erroneously break down any kind of complexity simply because it suits one's argument or belief. That's not going to result in an actually productive conversation.
Those others are missing more or less very often.
