Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[MorbidHEAT]

One thing is for sure, if we drop 8 straight I can’t see this team standing pat at the deadline doing nothing.

Damn...I would have preferred to drop the 8 straight...

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Bam >>> Bosh

[Wiltside]

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Bam >>> Bosh

[dubasilva]

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Bam >>> Bosh

Not. He might need to win a few titles.

He needs to grow a few more inches. I still believe Bam is a PF. It is just my opinion.

[jele]

Chris Bosh played 384 games in Miami.

Bam has played 456 games in Miami.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Bosh and Bam are different players. Hard to compare the two. One thing i do know that if Bosh was still with us healthy playing with Bam and Butler we would have won 3 chips by now.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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This has trade for KO written all over it

[MettaWorldPanda]

https://www.slcdunk.com/platform/amp/2024/1/30/24056282/nba-trade-rumors-kelly-olynyk-on-the-trade-block-for-the-utah-jazz

Looks like we’ll have plenty of competition for KO but the article also makes it sound like the Jazz will look to trade him for actual players they can use instead of just run of the mill expiring and picks. This is where someone like Duncan can come into play for them as they kick the can with another tradeable contract down the road and also fill a need at SF.

Thomas Bryant
Duncan Robinson

To Jazz for

Kelly Olynyk

This move gets us clean out of the tax and makes us major players in the buyout market.

[AirP.]

https://www.slcdunk.com/platform/amp/2024/1/30/24056282/nba-trade-rumors-kelly-olynyk-on-the-trade-block-for-the-utah-jazz

Looks like we’ll have plenty of competition for KO but the article also makes it sound like the Jazz will look to trade him for actual players they can use instead of just run of the mill expiring and picks. This is where someone like Duncan can come into play for them as they kick the can with another tradeable contract down the road and also fill a need at SF.

Thomas Bryant
Duncan Robinson

To Jazz for

Kelly Olynyk

This move gets us clean out of the tax and makes us major players in the buyout market.

What else will Miami be throwing in to get a decent player on an expiring contract while Utah takes on much more money this year and long-term money on multiple players they probably don't need?

[IceColdCubano]

From my perspective last night I saw a lot of good things, I need to see them being consistent with them:

1. Jimmy playing peak level, still has game, there is a miniscule loss in speed for sure you can see on the defensive end, but he is still high iq and more than capable of still being our #1 scorer on uber efficiency.

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2. Bam middy wasn't scouted as strong in the beginning of the season and he was feasting, when teams made it a point to give him only that shot diet vs plays at the rim, plus crowed him with multiple players/double/tripple teams it totally has made his January a bad month on FG%, also add a bit here that we need to account for his injury which could be a factor on his mobility to get to his spots, however the Pick & Roll game with Herro, Rozier if used correctly is going to get him going much earlier in the game, and when he starts getting that play it will also open up opportunities for open three pointers as the defense will eventually start playing for the lob and disregarding the ball handler. In the past the Herro/Bam two man game has always been great don't understand why we went away from it as much.

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3. Jimmy two man game with Love, you could tell Jimmy's best Pick and roll is with a big who can screen and shot the 3ball, which is why Jimmy/Bam pick and roll is none existent, staggering Jimmy w/Love & Herro w/Bam is a recipe that will work as long as Herro makes it so that the Lob/pass is the priority in the scheme and then play to the shot when they decide that Bam is the priority after the screen, also Kevin has to hit the 3ball too, for them to respect the Jimmy/Love pick and roll.

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4. The other team were still blowing by our guard tandem in the beginning of the game, Herro/Rozier is a bad defensive combination, Spo however after the first quarter spent the rest of the game making sure those guys were staggered as much as possible, and that Jrich or Caleb were at the off guard defensively moving forward to relieve some point of attack issues on those guys, the back line did a great job as well on rotating, crips rotations were key here, also cannot forget the Zone defense also helped alleviate some issues there. Staggering both of Herro/Rozier allowed them to basically feel comfortable not having to give up the ball distribution ie your turn my turn your turn my turn, etc. You could see that Rozier is far more natural as a distributor as well, I mean he had less time with the ball in his hands, was quick to pass the moment an opening presented itself and managed to get 2 more assist than Herro while having the ball far less.

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5. Role players did their job, and kept their free lancing to a minimum which is where we usually lose and have empty possessions, clearly saw Spo call a time out when Caleb when away, he stills seems a bit gun hoe for my taste, but Spo was quick to pull that cord as soon as it looked like he got to comfortable going free lancing. Both Caleb and Jrich best spots on the defensive side were clear as day as the off-guard/2guard. Their length/wingspan and 6'-5" height is perfect at that position, when those guys are task as primary ball handlers or playing the Forwards positions is when we look bad.

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6. The only thing I still need to understand, I believe Sammy made note of this yesterday after the game is, Rozier's role, because all of the corrections made during yesterdays game primarily could have been made without having Rozier on this team, but a just a 3&D with good court vision at the PG, hell Kyle could have done the same thing except perhaps for being guarded tight for his lack of speed, no longer being able to collapse the paint. If Miami is going to keep Herro and his game will be used the way it was done last night, it would have been better served going after a PF instead of another lead Guard. So I just want to see how Spo finds a way to get Rozier in the Rozier/Love - Rozier/Bam - Rozier/Jimmy pick and roll a bit more and let him go 1v1 to force a collapse at the paint. I understand he still hasn't had a practice with the team as of yet, so there is still some cohesion that needs to still keep filling out with the team and himself.

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7. Size is still an Issue here, we obviously can be successful without Duncan as shown last night, so I think this should be a clear message to the team that perhaps his contract may be best suited to find that starting level PF, as much as I see Highsmith being successful and a great perimeter defender, even when he forces the miss, it results in an offensive rebound and putback, so while the data shows him being good, it may not translate the way we think. We can't always fall back on zone defense as a way to cover for size and speed. Spo will need to know that a lineup based on size, needs to be implemented against the teams that force the issue in that regard, I don't believe that lineup exist yet, or at least he may not feel comfortable with one currently, or that player may not be on the roster yet either.

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[KingDavid]

Not trying to call out Herro but since people think I am. These three shots were back to back to back. What was Herro thinking. He drew three players to him and decided to take that shot. Crazy how all three clips looks like identical

I am not agianst Herro taking midrangers, but these are three exactly the same bad shots with three defenders on him. That first clip where Beal scores is Martin being an idiot allowing that Beal to snowbird. When you are at the top of the three point line and your team takes a shot you have to get back and play safety preventing anyone from snowbirding. But any ways, Herro doing this three times in a row is a good reason for a coach to go insane.

Why are they popping instead of rolling to the rim...the moment Herro draws more than one defender should be an indicator to sprint to the basket. I'm usually pooping on Herro and these were bad shots, but why aren't they rolling the moment their man turns their head? I think Herro would pass to the cutters, no? Interesting.

Funny, that's one big change I saw last night. Herrozier were aggressive getting in the lane which man Bam's man either freeze or step up to stop the drive and Bam was equally aggressive getting in the lane. Excellent improvement.

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Bam >>> Bosh

Hahaha no.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Bam >>> Bosh

Bam hasn’t scored more points than Bosh?

Oh but if you were talking about like strictly just as players not the scoring totals right there yea my statement is still true. Basically every season if not every season Bam has started has been a better season than Bosh ever had in a Heat uniform, he just wasn’t blessed enough to play with the best player ever at his peak and Wade who was the best player in the world when they teamed up

[dshearn]

Chris Bosh played 384 games in Miami.

Bam has played 456 games in Miami.

Bam is fantastic ....no doubt about it.....


but, this stat one and dones the question of who is a better rebounder....

[twix2500]

So looking at the top 5 ortg units in the NBA that has played 15 games or more and 300 or more mins. To give the Heat starting unit something to compare themselves too.

1. Utah - Murray, KCP, Porter, Gordon, Jovic = 125.5 Ortg
2. Harden, Mann, Leonard, George, Zubac = 125.4 Ortg
3. Fox, Huerter, Barnes, Murray, Sabonis = 123.3
4. Lillard, Beasley, Middleton, Antetokounmpo, Lopez = 123.0 Ortg
5. Holiday, White, Tatum, Brown, Porzingis = 121.6 Ortg

Heat starting unit vs Kings

Herro, Rozier, Butler, Highsmith, Adebayo = 125.0 Ortg, 114.3 Drtg, 10 mins

The most surprising unit last night was
Herro, Richardson, Martin, Jaquez Jr, Adebayo = 136.0 Ortg, 68.4 DRtg, 10 mins

Seeing Richardson catching the Duncan holy ghost. But I notice some chemistry brewing between Jaquez and Martin, pass and cutting between them. Martin and JRich press the ball while Jaquez and Bam defended the paint

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Chris Bosh played 384 games in Miami.

Bam has played 456 games in Miami.

Bams 1st 2 seasons of his career he was off the bench shooting 5 shots a game.

Bam in 5 seasons as a starter 19-10-4 (and climbing)

Bosh in Miami 18-7-2

Context matters, but context kicks a lot of yalls ass majority of the time

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bosh and Bam are different players. Hard to compare the two. One thing i do know that if Bosh was still with us healthy playing with Bam and Butler we would have won 3 chips by now.

That is the irony in the debate, they are literally the perfect fit next to each other

[IceColdCubano]

Bosh and Bam are different players. Hard to compare the two. One thing i do know that if Bosh was still with us healthy playing with Bam and Butler we would have won 3 chips by now.

That is the irony in the debate, they are literally the perfect fit next to each other

Bam and Bosh pairing would have been nasty, super hard to defend that front court like said perfect pairing. Also both of them are absolutely great at rotating and covering space whether on the perimeter or from the weakside defensively.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Chris Bosh played 384 games in Miami.

Bam has played 456 games in Miami.

Bam is fantastic ....no doubt about it.....


but, this stat one and dones the question of who is a better rebounder....

Huh lmao?!