2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD

[RoteSchroder]

Ivisic having his minutes cut is beautiful. All of you taking it as a negative sign towards his game will find out soon enough.

I mean it's hard to judge a player who doesn't play and it ultimately says nothing about his game, but rather it would hurt his draft stock. If this keeps up, teams will need to go off of his international performances + workouts.

It also seems a bit early to put your cards in Ivisic. There was some criticism for his lack of feel and his twin brother was more productive in the ABA. He got into foul trouble a ton in the ABA (8.7 fouls per 36) and it seems like that still may be a problem as he got 3 fouls in 10 min in his 2nd game at Kentucky. His last few games in the ABA were fairly productive though.

Seems like he's still somewhat a project. Better project than Skal Labissiere at least.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Ivisic having his minutes cut is beautiful. All of you taking it as a negative sign towards his game will find out soon enough.

I mean it's hard to judge a player who doesn't play and it ultimately says nothing about his game, but rather it would hurt his draft stock. If this keeps up, teams will need to go off of his international performances + workouts.

It also seems a bit early to put your cards in Ivisic. There was some criticism for his lack of feel and his twin brother was more productive in the ABA. He got into foul trouble a ton in the ABA (8.7 fouls per 36) and it seems like that still may be a problem as he got 3 fouls in 10 min in his 2nd game at Kentucky. His last few games in the ABA were fairly productive though.

Seems like he's still somewhat a project. Better project than Skal Labissiere at least.

I was never one to go off of the one great game he played at Kentucky. I was a fan far before that. His game is well suited to the NBA. Foul trouble is common for big men, and especially younger big men.

He is the prototype modern NBA big, and I’ll gladly take him at one of our later picks. I was getting nervous we’d have to take him at 6.

[Purple+Black]

I’m seeing a lot of untapped potential in this “weak” draft class. Not many clear standouts, but a ton of diamonds in the rough. Hope this post ages well.

[Ell Curry]

Ivisic having his minutes cut is beautiful. All of you taking it as a negative sign towards his game will find out soon enough.

Have you seen much of him? He was -10 in his 2nd game so seems to have had his minutes cut for now. The kid who played center in today's game was playing really well (Onyenso) and has been productive in limited minutes (is Bradshaw hurt or has he just been benched too?), so it's not the end of the world, but I imagine that if Calipari doesn't use his much it will come down to pre-draft workouts for Ivisic.

[Ell Curry]

Dalek how is Dunn's case different from OG Anunoby's when OG shot 31% from downtown and 56% from the line as a sophomore. You can talk about the 45% he shot off the bench getting garbage minutes as a freshman but the sample size was 29 shots and therefore not significant as a talking point, especially given his 48% rate from the free throw line.

Dunn's offensive ceiling is worth gambling on because he doesn't need to raise it to epic levels to become an extremely valuable player. He has only chucked up 25 attempts from downtown this season which is nothing and shot 31% as a freshman on 16 attempts. The sample size is really small and obviously it is not an area of strength, otherwise he'd be given the green light to jack up tons of shots, but there is nothing I see that confirms it as an uncorrectable area of weakness.

When you add to that Dunn's ability to grab offensive boards and get easy dunks and putbacks and his ability to put the ball on the floor and attack the rim (he shows decent footwork and finishing near the basket) along with a .435 FTR there is a ton to like about him. He has a solid handle for a guy his size and his positional versatility is outstanding.

I remember OG in college and nobody was really worried about his shooting. His injury and lack of an offensive game led to him dropping down to us, I think, though the mocks I just looked at had him around #13 and Fraschilla claims it wasn't the injury but the streaky shooting and lack of an overall offensive game.

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In truth his offensive game never really materialized, but his defence and 3pt shooting have been so good that he still should have gone top 8 or so (very strong top 8 in this draft).

Dunn seems like an actively bad shooter, so he'll have to play the 4 on offense, which seems a bit redundant with Barnes, though Barnes can slide down to the 3 on O and play the 4 on D I guess, but that seems like it's getting into the problems we just had. But I won't be surprised if Masai and Bobby are willing to draft redundant guys as long as they can actually play, since they were low on this draft and basically had to take the 2024 picks because we probably didn't have any other major Siakam suitors and apparently didn't want to risk playing chicken at the deadline again.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[ArthurVandelay]

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Sometimes you just have to look at the numbers and watch guys play and ignore the lack of desirable traits like height, length, burst, etc. We (and professional draft pundits) tend to over analyze.

Ignoring gameplay and numbers is why guys like FVV & Brunson in college eventually become FVV & Brunson in the NBA. I'm not comparing Reed's game to them, rather just saying if a guy is good and produces, who cares about how tall he is or how fast the first step is?

[Mark_83]

I haven't really been a fan of his as I don't think he does nearly enough with his tools and skillset but Tyrese Proctor has been slowly turning his season around.

Over his last 5 games:

16.4pts
2.8reb
2.8ast
15-31(48.4%3FG)
27-54 (50%FG)

Brought his numbers for the year up to:

11.2pts
2.6reb
3.9ast
38.5%3FG
46.1%FG

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[OakleyDokely]

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Sometimes you just have to look at the numbers and watch guys play and ignore the lack of desirable traits like height, length, burst, etc. We (and professional draft pundits) tend to over analyze.

Ignoring gameplay and numbers is why guys like FVV & Brunson in college eventually become FVV & Brunson in the NBA. I'm not comparing Reed's game to them, rather just saying if a guy is good and produces, who cares about how tall he is or how fast the first step is?

yup, some guys are just ballers. He's probably the safest player in the draft. Hard to imagine he won't have a long career as a solid rotation player or starter.

[WuTang_CMB]

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Sometimes you just have to look at the numbers and watch guys play and ignore the lack of desirable traits like height, length, burst, etc. We (and professional draft pundits) tend to over analyze.

Ignoring gameplay and numbers is why guys like FVV & Brunson in college eventually become FVV & Brunson in the NBA. I'm not comparing Reed's game to them, rather just saying if a guy is good and produces, who cares about how tall he is or how fast the first step is?

yup, some guys are just ballers. He's probably the safest player in the draft. Hard to imagine he won't have a long career as a solid rotation player or starter.

71% TS and a 12.7 BPM , just insane efficiency. Averaging 24,8,8 and over 4 steals per 100 possessions.

I dont see how he isn't going top 10 , probably goes top 8

Everyone likes boom or bust but I'm taking a high floor guy even if projects just as a starter/ 6th man

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Reed isn't even looking to get his at all, most of what he takes comes within flow of offense and makes the extra pass to get a better % shot for the team again and again it's hard wired into him already. Doesn't really attempt a ton of high degree of difficulty passes but he identifies where the ball needs to go and advances it and makes the right reads half a second more quickly than most players.

[Mark_83]

Dalek how is Dunn's case different from OG Anunoby's when OG shot 31% from downtown and 56% from the line as a sophomore. You can talk about the 45% he shot off the bench getting garbage minutes as a freshman but the sample size was 29 shots and therefore not significant as a talking point, especially given his 48% rate from the free throw line.

Dunn's offensive ceiling is worth gambling on because he doesn't need to raise it to epic levels to become an extremely valuable player. He has only chucked up 25 attempts from downtown this season which is nothing and shot 31% as a freshman on 16 attempts. The sample size is really small and obviously it is not an area of strength, otherwise he'd be given the green light to jack up tons of shots, but there is nothing I see that confirms it as an uncorrectable area of weakness.

When you add to that Dunn's ability to grab offensive boards and get easy dunks and putbacks and his ability to put the ball on the floor and attack the rim (he shows decent footwork and finishing near the basket) along with a .435 FTR there is a ton to like about him. He has a solid handle for a guy his size and his positional versatility is outstanding.

I dunno man. He better be a god-like defender because he might not be able to make shots at all in the NBA. Tonight he had 0 points in 27 mins taking 1 shot. His game might work out like Herb Jones or OG but risking a lotto on a pure defender that isn't a C is risky.

Especially now in this NBA. The Pacers almost have their entire 10 man rotation scoring 10 or more points. You have to shoot and pass and be big to play in the NBA. Not saying no defense but way more balanced two way play.

Raps have after years of going all in on defense see that they need to lean on skilled players to win. I suspect they will love guys like Sarr, Filipowski, Buzelis, Williams if they keep their lotto.

Ausur Thompson can't shoot so isn't able to earn more minutes on the worst team in the league. The Piston finally moved Killian Hayes to the bench regulary. Marcus Sasser is getting more PT.

I find it ironic that the same people criticizing teenagers playing in European pro leagues for not being able to "shot create" are simultaneously advocating for 21-year-old Sophomores who haven't demonstrated the ability to shoot even a little, and who have rudimentary handles. Make it make sense.

Say what you want about OG but he showed he could shoot at least a little in college (44.8% from 3 as a Freshman). He made 27 of 74 threes in 50 games (36.5%). In comparison Dunn has only made 11 of 41 threes in 52 games (26.8%). Fewer attempts and fewer makes in more games.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I dunno man. He better be a god-like defender because he might not be able to make shots at all in the NBA. Tonight he had 0 points in 27 mins taking 1 shot. His game might work out like Herb Jones or OG but risking a lotto on a pure defender that isn't a C is risky.

Especially now in this NBA. The Pacers almost have their entire 10 man rotation scoring 10 or more points. You have to shoot and pass and be big to play in the NBA. Not saying no defense but way more balanced two way play.

Raps have after years of going all in on defense see that they need to lean on skilled players to win. I suspect they will love guys like Sarr, Filipowski, Buzelis, Williams if they keep their lotto.

Ausur Thompson can't shoot so isn't able to earn more minutes on the worst team in the league. The Piston finally moved Killian Hayes to the bench regulary. Marcus Sasser is getting more PT.

I find it ironic that the same people criticizing teenagers playing in European pro leagues for not being able to "shot create" are simultaneously advocating for 21-year-old Sophomores who haven't demonstrated the ability to shoot even a little, and who have rudimentary handles. Make it make sense.

Say what you want about OG but he showed he could shoot at least a little in college (44.8% from 3 as a Freshman). He made 27 of 74 threes in 50 games (36.5%). In comparison Dunn has only made 11 of 41 threes in 52 games (26.8%). Fewer attempts and fewer makes in more games.

Nobody criticized European players in pro leagues, if I had I wouldn't have three Euros as my top 3 players right now. You literally take everything I say and frame it out of context and then go on these passive aggressive rants trying to deconstruct anything you possibly can that comes out of my mouth. I've seen you rant about things we actually agree on but you frame it in a way that makes it look like we don't. It's all very juvenile behavior Mark and I'll leave it at that.

[Brinbe]

Not directly comparing their games because they're different prospects but Reed reminds me of when Booker came out and the knocks he had on his game coming out. Kentucky/Coach Cal can properly identify/scout/develop NBA quality guards, seems pretty clear.

When in doubt, take them lol.

[Mark_83]

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Sometimes you just have to look at the numbers and watch guys play and ignore the lack of desirable traits like height, length, burst, etc. We (and professional draft pundits) tend to over analyze.

Ignoring gameplay and numbers is why guys like FVV & Brunson in college eventually become FVV & Brunson in the NBA. I'm not comparing Reed's game to them, rather just saying if a guy is good and produces, who cares about how tall he is or how fast the first step is?

yup, some guys are just ballers. He's probably the safest player in the draft. Hard to imagine he won't have a long career as a solid rotation player or starter.

I think him and Cody Williams are the safest picks in the top 10. I could see Cody as being the SG version of Brandon Miller.

Catch and shoots, transition 3's, relocate, logo 3's, shooting over 50%. He's like a bigger athletic, Mark Price, John Stockton, Steve Nash PG. He gets steals like Stockton. I see his career going at least like a Jalen Brunson, but 2-3 years quicker.

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[Brinbe]

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[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Yes, stating the obvious regarding why every single long athletic young european prospect shouldn't be likened to the next Giannis is a crime against humanity.

I'm not taking the bait Mark, be nicer and have a great day.

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Tor - Reed Sheppard
Ind - Tidjane Salaun
OKC/LAC - Kel'el Ware, Johnny Furphy, Svonomir Ivisic, Tyler Kolek
#31 - Ulrich Chomche or any of those above still there at the top of the 2nd round.

Just let Temple and Otto walk to free up the roster spots.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Sometimes you just have to look at the numbers and watch guys play and ignore the lack of desirable traits like height, length, burst, etc. We (and professional draft pundits) tend to over analyze.

Ignoring gameplay and numbers is why guys like FVV & Brunson in college eventually become FVV & Brunson in the NBA. I'm not comparing Reed's game to them, rather just saying if a guy is good and produces, who cares about how tall he is or how fast the first step is?

yup, some guys are just ballers. He's probably the safest player in the draft. Hard to imagine he won't have a long career as a solid rotation player or starter.

I think him and Cody Williams are the safest picks in the top 10. I could see Cody as being the SG version of Brandon Miller.

Catch and shoots, transition 3's, relocate, logo 3's, shooting over 50%. He's like a bigger athletic, Mark Price, John Stockton, Steve Nash PG. He gets steals like Stockton. I see his career going at least like a Jalen Brunson, but 2-3 years quicker.

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I thought about that comparison for a bit recently but they are fundamentally different players. Miller has always been a guy who creates space to get his jumpshot off and will shoot stepback 3s and settle for jumpers a ton while Williams appears much more natural and capable driving it and finishing or putting up floaters. I think most of the 3s Williams will launch early in his career will be assisted whereas Miller has a bit more ability to generate those looks himself.