ATL - BKN - UTA: Nets go some-in

[realEAST]

ATL in: D. Finney Smith, S. Dinwiddie, 2025 PHX 1st
ATL out: J. Murray, D. Hunter

BKN in: D. Murray, K. Olynyk, L. Samanic
BKN out: D. Finney Smith, S. Dinwiddie, 2025 PHX 1st

UTA in: D. Hunter
UTA out: K. Olynyk, L. Samanic


Hawks move Murray, but get a good starter on good value deal in return, along with future 1st rounder. They also get Dinwiddie to act as a 6th man for the rest of the year. Hawks also get off ton of future money with this deal, which makes upcoming extensions easier to do.

Brooklyn add lead guard they miss, to hopefully connect the underwhelming but talented team. Murray-Bridges seems like a good building base while waiting for next super star. Olynyk ties their 2nd unit and further could unlock some of those guys (Smith, Simmons). They also save most of their future picks.

Jazz is quite thin on forwards and they take a cheap chance on a young guy with size and skill going forward, who is on simmilar timeline as the rest of their more prominent guys. Utah is not much of a free agency destination, and Hunter is talented, addresses a need and is signed long term (not ideal contract, but if he improves he will be more than worth it).

Young...........Dinwiddie
Bogdanovic....Matthews
DFS.............Griffin
Johnson........Bey
Capella.........Okongwu

Murray........Smith
Bridges.......Thomas......Walker
O'Neal........Simmons
Johnson......Watford
Claxton.......Olynyk......Sharp

[BK_2020]

If the Hawks were willing to give away Murray to dump Hunter's contract I think a quite a few teams can outbid Dorian Finney-Smith and 2025 Phoenix first.

[Ball4life32]

Yeah I’m not trading two mid 20s starters for atl to get a 30 yr old role player and only picking up likely 1 non lottery pick next year. Not close for atl.

[realEAST]

Fair enough.
I thought, with Hawks not owning their future draft picks, trading Murray for some far out pick and expiring fillers wasn't what Atlanta had in mind, and they would prefer some combination of contributor + draft asset (for future trade).
Finney Smith hold real value around the league - him + future 1st is a serious offer (and it is an unprotected pick, so there is an upside there too).

This offers them good starter under long term contract and some future draft assets to potentially put together for another upgrade.

And Hawks are becoming really expensive really quickly, especially for what they bring on the court - getting out of Hunter's long term contract, who they apparently are looking to move, is not something they would be opposed to imo.

[BK_2020]

Hunter's a better version of Finney-Smith who makes $6 mil. more but is locked up for more than one season. If DFS holds enough value to command Dejounte Murray in return with one late FRP making up the difference, then Hunter should have greater value.

[realEAST]

Hunter's a better version of Finney-Smith who makes $6 mil. more but is locked up for more than one season. If DFS holds enough value to command Dejounte Murray in return with one late FRP making up the difference, then Hunter should have greater value.

I think DFS holds significantly more value than Hunter, being better player on better contract.

Finney Smith is a better defender and more reliable 3pt shooter, and has much better motor as a role player.

But it is not just my opinion - Hawks have trouble finding suitors for him starting from last year, while Finney Smith is worth two 1sts (or, morw likely, one really good one)

[BK_2020]

Hunter's a better version of Finney-Smith who makes $6 mil. more but is locked up for more than one season. If DFS holds enough value to command Dejounte Murray in return with one late FRP making up the difference, then Hunter should have greater value.

I think DFS holds significantly more value than Hunter, being better player on better contract.

Finney Smith is a better defender and more reliable 3pt shooter, and has much better motor as a role player.

But it is not just my opinion - Hawks have trouble finding suitors for him starting from last year, while Finney Smith is worth two 1sts (or, morw likely, one really good one)

Hunter is a career 36.1% shooter from outside. DFS is a career 35.9% shooter from the 3. On wide open threes, Hunter is 51%, 36.9% and 44.4% last 3 seasons. DFS is 38.9%, 35.3%, and 41.1%. Hunter is a career 81.1% free throw shooter including over 90% this season, DFS is 72.2% from the line. There is no statistical signal, including their 3p% this season, that shows that DFS is the more reliable 3pt shooter, while there's plenty that shows Hunter as a measurably superior outside shooter.
As for your assessment of their respective defenses and motor, I would have to disagree. DFS isn't anything exceptional, neither is Hunter. Their on/off numbers for defense are similarly middling. The difference is Hunter is younger and has much better physical tools, so he might improve.

Also no one is going to trade a really good FRP for Dorian Finney-Smith.

[realEAST]

Hunter's a better version of Finney-Smith who makes $6 mil. more but is locked up for more than one season. If DFS holds enough value to command Dejounte Murray in return with one late FRP making up the difference, then Hunter should have greater value.

I think DFS holds significantly more value than Hunter, being better player on better contract.

Finney Smith is a better defender and more reliable 3pt shooter, and has much better motor as a role player.

But it is not just my opinion - Hawks have trouble finding suitors for him starting from last year, while Finney Smith is worth two 1sts (or, morw likely, one really good one)

Hunter is a career 36.1% shooter from outside. DFS is a career 35.9% shooter from the 3. On wide open threes, Hunter is 51%, 36.9% and 44.4% last 3 seasons. DFS is 38.9%, 35.3%, and 41.1%. Hunter is a career 81.1% free throw shooter including over 90% this season, DFS is 72.2% from the line. There is no statistical signal, including their 3p% this season, that shows that DFS is the more reliable 3pt shooter, while there's plenty that shows Hunter as a measurably superior outside shooter.
As for your assessment of their respective defenses and motor, I would have to disagree. DFS isn't anything exceptional, neither is Hunter. Their on/off numbers for defense are similarly middling. The difference is Hunter is younger and has much better physical tools, so he might improve.

Also no one is going to trade a really good FRP for Dorian Finney-Smith.

Ok, true, there is not much difference between them as 3pt shooters (I thought Hunter shoots around 35% this season), especially if you filter out first two seasons when DFS 3pt percentage is pretty bad.

But defence is a significant difference, no matter how much you try to gloss over it, going by any available measurement:

EPM, which is probably the most precise stat, shows the biggest swing +1.0 for DFS, and -1.1 for Hunter.
Net rating difference is also pretty big 113.8 to 119.9.
Also, per 100 stats, defensive win shares and DBPM are all strongly in favor of DFS.

So while they are similar 3pt shooters, Finney Smith is significantly better defender, and is paid 30% less.

And event interest from NBA teams indicate this - while Hawks can't find suitor for Hunter, DFS has a strong following around the league.

[shakes0]

easily the worst Hawks trade on the site. Congrats for that I guess?

[realEAST]

The same way John Collins was only available for significant upgrade until he went for Rudy Gay and cap relief?

[Ball4life32]

The same way John Collins was only available for significant upgrade until he went for Rudy Gay and cap relief?

Collins fell off with injuries before he was traded to be fair not to mention so many were calling him a negative contract right before hawks dealt him.

[realEAST]

The same way John Collins was only available for significant upgrade until he went for Rudy Gay and cap relief?

Collins fell off with injuries before he was traded to be fair not to mention so many were calling him a negative contract right before hawks dealt him.

I mean, go compare their per season or career stats, injury history and contracts...you'll be surprised to find there isn't much difference between the two, if anything, Collins has been healthier and has better impact stats over the course of career. And they are the same age.

[Ball4life32]

The same way John Collins was only available for significant upgrade until he went for Rudy Gay and cap relief?

Collins fell off with injuries before he was traded to be fair not to mention so many were calling him a negative contract right before hawks dealt him.

I mean, go compare their per season or career stats, injury history and contracts...you'll be surprised to find there isn't much difference between the two, if anything, Collins has been healthier and has better impact stats over the course of career. And they are the same age.

I’m assuming you’re talking about Hunter….i don’t think hawks are getting a significant upgrade for him so. He probably has similar value than what Collins went for. Not the highest on him but I’d keep him until hawks can find a better starting 3.

[SkyHook]

Collins fell off with injuries before he was traded to be fair not to mention so many were calling him a negative contract right before hawks dealt him.

I mean, go compare their per season or career stats, injury history and contracts...you'll be surprised to find there isn't much difference between the two, if anything, Collins has been healthier and has better impact stats over the course of career. And they are the same age.

I’m assuming you’re talking about Hunter….i don’t think hawks are getting a significant upgrade for him so. He probably has similar value than what Collins went for. Not the highest on him but I’d keep him until hawks can find a better starting 3.

I’d agree that Hunter and Collins have about the same value right now. I don’t mind having Collins on the Jazz—there definitely have been games that they wouldn’t have won without him—and I certainly wouldn’t give up value to move him, but I don’t want another (arguably worse) contract like that on the roster.