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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#161 » by Decipher » Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:42 pm

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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#162 » by Netaman » Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:50 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:Wait, Russell has a NTC? Wow.

No.

It said he can veto any trade though.


think it said he gave up that ability when he extended last summer. i think he would have had it with whatever bird rights he was resigned with but gave it up.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#163 » by Netaman » Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:04 pm

JKiddy wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:Nets should have taken back the picks from Houston for bridges. We aren’t good and those picks will be lottery. The Celtics got Tatum from our picks.


Think this through.

So you want to take junk and picks that likely won't be revolutionary at the chance we get a player like Bridges or better when we have Bridges right now?

Most draft picks unless they are surefire do not pan out as well as you think. It is more of a crapshoot than you realize.

We already have massively valuable picks from DAL, PHX, and PHI. What would be the point here? This season it is obvious we cannot tank hard enough even with our pick to get the 1st pick (more than likely not).

So, please think this one through.


The remaining picks are:

2024 first (currently projected 8th, without Bridges would be top 5 easy)
2024 second (currently 38th, without bridges again, higher)
2025 swap
2026 first
2027 swap

Id probably argue houston should include a 3rd unprotected FRP pick outright (one of their own, whatever year they want). 2 firsts and a bunch of tbd swaps not exactly a kings ransom for a guy on one of the best contracts in the game.

And remember, if you do that deal, all of a sudden flood gates are open so you can amass a crazy amount of picks.
Claxton for 1st, maybe 2. DFS probably for 1. Maybe you take back a bad salary for Dinwiddie and a pick.

All of that said Bridges is a legitimate #2 on a good contract so it is NOT a no brainer to try to cash in right now. BUT they have to have a plan to improve in the next year, or else why bother holding him? that doesn't need to be murray but if he's the best available right now and a down FA class upcoming he might be the best available for a while.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#164 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:35 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
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vincecarter4pres wrote:Wait, Russell has a NTC? Wow.

No.

It said he can veto any trade though.

He could have had veto rights, but waived them as part of the contract.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#165 » by Decipher » Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:51 pm

Netaman wrote:
JKiddy wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:Nets should have taken back the picks from Houston for bridges. We aren’t good and those picks will be lottery. The Celtics got Tatum from our picks.


Think this through.

So you want to take junk and picks that likely won't be revolutionary at the chance we get a player like Bridges or better when we have Bridges right now?

Most draft picks unless they are surefire do not pan out as well as you think. It is more of a crapshoot than you realize.

We already have massively valuable picks from DAL, PHX, and PHI. What would be the point here? This season it is obvious we cannot tank hard enough even with our pick to get the 1st pick (more than likely not).

So, please think this one through.


The remaining picks are:

2024 first (currently projected 8th, without Bridges would be top 5 easy)
2024 second (currently 38th, without bridges again, higher)
2025 swap
2026 first
2027 swap

Id probably argue houston should include a 3rd unprotected FRP pick outright (one of their own, whatever year they want). 2 firsts and a bunch of tbd swaps not exactly a kings ransom for a guy on one of the best contracts in the game.

And remember, if you do that deal, all of a sudden flood gates are open so you can amass a crazy amount of picks.
Claxton for 1st, maybe 2. DFS probably for 1. Maybe you take back a bad salary for Dinwiddie and a pick.

All of that said Bridges is a legitimate #2 on a good contract so it is NOT a no brainer to try to cash in right now. BUT they have to have a plan to improve in the next year, or else why bother holding him? that doesn't need to be murray but if he's the best available right now and a down FA class upcoming he might be the best available for a while.


I watched an Australian basketball program last night where they talked about Alexandre Sarr who plays in Australia and is projected to go top 3 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10106476-2024-nba-mock-draft-latest-2-round-predictions-pro-comparisons)

The panel included a couple of former NBA players who see him every week

While complementary, they weren’t over the top with their praise and I was surprised to hear that he’s projected so high

Bottom line is that the draft is a crap shoot for many
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#166 » by Netaman » Thu Feb 1, 2024 12:21 am

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Netaman wrote:
JKiddy wrote:
Think this through.

So you want to take junk and picks that likely won't be revolutionary at the chance we get a player like Bridges or better when we have Bridges right now?

Most draft picks unless they are surefire do not pan out as well as you think. It is more of a crapshoot than you realize.

We already have massively valuable picks from DAL, PHX, and PHI. What would be the point here? This season it is obvious we cannot tank hard enough even with our pick to get the 1st pick (more than likely not).

So, please think this one through.


The remaining picks are:

2024 first (currently projected 8th, without Bridges would be top 5 easy)
2024 second (currently 38th, without bridges again, higher)
2025 swap
2026 first
2027 swap

Id probably argue houston should include a 3rd unprotected FRP pick outright (one of their own, whatever year they want). 2 firsts and a bunch of tbd swaps not exactly a kings ransom for a guy on one of the best contracts in the game.

And remember, if you do that deal, all of a sudden flood gates are open so you can amass a crazy amount of picks.
Claxton for 1st, maybe 2. DFS probably for 1. Maybe you take back a bad salary for Dinwiddie and a pick.

All of that said Bridges is a legitimate #2 on a good contract so it is NOT a no brainer to try to cash in right now. BUT they have to have a plan to improve in the next year, or else why bother holding him? that doesn't need to be murray but if he's the best available right now and a down FA class upcoming he might be the best available for a while.


I watched an Australian basketball program last night where they talked about Alexandre Sarr who plays in Australia and is projected to go top 3 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10106476-2024-nba-mock-draft-latest-2-round-predictions-pro-comparisons)

The panel included a couple of former NBA players who see him every week

While complementary, they weren’t over the top with their praise and I was surprised to hear that he’s projected so high

Bottom line is that the draft is a crap shoot for many


This year's draft is down, especially at the top. I don't know that the prospect quality between picks #5-10 is any different than any other year but that's definitely a factor.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#167 » by Tha King » Thu Feb 1, 2024 12:33 am

Netaman wrote:
JKiddy wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:Nets should have taken back the picks from Houston for bridges. We aren’t good and those picks will be lottery. The Celtics got Tatum from our picks.


Think this through.

So you want to take junk and picks that likely won't be revolutionary at the chance we get a player like Bridges or better when we have Bridges right now?

Most draft picks unless they are surefire do not pan out as well as you think. It is more of a crapshoot than you realize.

We already have massively valuable picks from DAL, PHX, and PHI. What would be the point here? This season it is obvious we cannot tank hard enough even with our pick to get the 1st pick (more than likely not).

So, please think this one through.


The remaining picks are:

2024 first (currently projected 8th, without Bridges would be top 5 easy)
2024 second (currently 38th, without bridges again, higher)
2025 swap
2026 first
2027 swap

Id probably argue houston should include a 3rd unprotected FRP pick outright (one of their own, whatever year they want). 2 firsts and a bunch of tbd swaps not exactly a kings ransom for a guy on one of the best contracts in the game.

And remember, if you do that deal, all of a sudden flood gates are open so you can amass a crazy amount of picks.
Claxton for 1st, maybe 2. DFS probably for 1. Maybe you take back a bad salary for Dinwiddie and a pick.

All of that said Bridges is a legitimate #2 on a good contract so it is NOT a no brainer to try to cash in right now. BUT they have to have a plan to improve in the next year, or else why bother holding him? that doesn't need to be murray but if he's the best available right now and a down FA class upcoming he might be the best available for a while.

yea Bridges has more value than just getting the picks returned. I think it would be a good direction to take though depending on what else the team could get.

As you alluded to, regaining control of the picks lets you rebuild properly without any impediment and maximize the value of the roster.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#168 » by Sharcm1 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:15 am

I wonder how everyone will react if the nets first don’t make the playoffs and second win the lottery and Houston gets the number 1 pick.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#169 » by Netaman » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:17 am

Sharcm1 wrote:I wonder how everyone will react if the nets first don’t make the playoffs and second win the lottery and Houston gets the number 1 pick.


from everything ive read about this draft there's no consensus top pick and nobody in it would have gone top 3 in the last few years. cam whitmore may be more valuable than any prospect in this year's draft.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#170 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:52 am

Netaman wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:I wonder how everyone will react if the nets first don’t make the playoffs and second win the lottery and Houston gets the number 1 pick.


from everything ive read about this draft there's no consensus top pick and nobody in it would have gone top 3 in the last few years. cam whitmore may be more valuable than any prospect in this year's draft.

That’s said almost every year though.

Even the worst drafts, the number one pick is usually a very good starter.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#171 » by JoseRizal » Thu Feb 1, 2024 7:29 am

We should be all over Houston and get back all our picks/swaps for Bridges.

Trade Cam J and extend Clax & Cam T. Let Ben expire, sign LW4 to a decent contract and have a proper rebuilding.

If Marks is still GM, I would argue that he drafts really well. So all the picks he can get/retrieve may pay dividends in the future.

The current team's make-up is the classic definition of treadmill. The FO would be foolish to pass on an opportunity to correct their past mistakes (Harden trade)...
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#172 » by NetsWorld » Thu Feb 1, 2024 1:15 pm

JoseRizal wrote:We should be all over Houston and get back all our picks/swaps for Bridges.

Trade Cam J and extend Clax & Cam T. Let Ben expire, sign LW4 to a decent contract and have a proper rebuilding.

If Marks is still GM, I would argue that he drafts really well. So all the picks her can get/retrieve may pay dividends in the future.

The current team's make-up is the classic definition of treadmill. The FO would be foolish to pass on an opportunity to correct their past mistakes (Harden trade)...


I agree. Unless the Nets are going to get a viable star to pair with Bridges, who is going to be 28, they should move him to Houston and acquire those picks back. Nets would at least be able to tank and acquire high picks if they get their own picks back. Nets have an opportunity to rectify trading for Harden. This team is going no where this year and needs to look towards the future. Fix it and redeem your biggest mistake Marks. Maybe he should learn a thing or two from Sam Presti.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#173 » by Tha King » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:14 pm

NetsWorld wrote:
JoseRizal wrote:We should be all over Houston and get back all our picks/swaps for Bridges.

Trade Cam J and extend Clax & Cam T. Let Ben expire, sign LW4 to a decent contract and have a proper rebuilding.

If Marks is still GM, I would argue that he drafts really well. So all the picks her can get/retrieve may pay dividends in the future.

The current team's make-up is the classic definition of treadmill. The FO would be foolish to pass on an opportunity to correct their past mistakes (Harden trade)...


I agree. Unless the Nets are going to get a viable star to pair with Bridges, who is going to be 28, they should move him to Houston and acquire those picks back. Nets would at least be able to tank and acquire high picks if they get their own picks back. Nets have an opportunity to rectify trading for Harden. This team is going no where this year and needs to look towards the future. Fix it and redeem your biggest mistake Marks. Maybe he should learn a thing or two from Sam Presti.

Agree agree agree

Cam Johnson I think could bring a relatively solid return as well.

Several teams need starting wings, a rebuild at this point let's you really maximize this rosters value.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#174 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Feb 1, 2024 8:09 pm

One week til the deadline, iirc almost to the minute.

Crossing my fingers we pull a rabbit out of a hat and get our picks back and a prospect.

Won’t happen though, that would be too smart and logical. Instead they’ll watch Houston get a top 3 jump with our ‘24 pick and make a crazy star trade this summer with that pick, more of our picks and whatever prospect they would have sent here for Bridges.

Then our FO will follow it up with a panic trade, sending all the picks and Cam T out for someone we shouldn’t.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#175 » by Decipher » Thu Feb 1, 2024 8:15 pm

No point talking about a rebuild unless Tsai changes his mind
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#176 » by TheNetsFan » Thu Feb 1, 2024 8:21 pm

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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#177 » by 3pt_chucker » Thu Feb 1, 2024 8:41 pm

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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#178 » by Papi_swav » Thu Feb 1, 2024 9:00 pm

I agree that we should definitely get our picks back and do a proper rebuild. We also still have the Suns picks and the Philly/Mavs too. What star can we realistically get with our assets? No thanks on trae young and Mitchell.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#179 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Feb 1, 2024 9:05 pm

Papi_swav wrote:I agree that we should definitely get our picks back and do a proper rebuild. We also still have the Suns picks and the Philly/Mavs too. What star can we realistically get with our assets? No thanks on trae young and Mitchell.

Aside from our difference of opinions on Mitchell, we agree, even considering Mitchell, we should just go for a proper rebuild if the Houston offer is on the table.

Add to that the pick(s) we’d get dealing any of DFS, Din and O’Neale.

Then the talks of trading Clax, which would probably mean a real return like one of the better picks from OKC and a random pick in the ‘24 draft, and it probably means faith in Clowney.

They need to just bite the bullet.
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Re: 2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#180 » by 3pt_chucker » Thu Feb 1, 2024 9:05 pm

Also Marks is definitely talking to Claxton agent about what his contract demands will be. So this could be that the Nets would like to get assets instead of paying him a lot.

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