Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

[Celts17Pride]

I week before the NBA trade deadline and all is well.

[Fierce1]

I week before the NBA trade deadline and all is well.

True.

First time since 2008 that the Cs really don't need to make a trade.

[Hal14]

You guys want Beef Stew of the Pistons?

Could be a good replacement for Al.

PP, Kornet, Svi, Banton, and Lamar for Stew works.

Cs have to add picks of course.

5 for 1 trades don't happen mid-season.

We're especially not moving 5 players (and picks) for a guy who isn't even gonna start..and won't even be the 1st big off the bench.

Would have been a nice idea if he didn't sign that extension (he would have fit nicely into the TPE) but I don't see it happening now.

Too bad - he would have been a nice addition.

[RickyDizzle]

I'd be down for Pritchard, picks, scraps for Avdija. Then trade a 2nd to the Bulls for Jevon Carter.

Or keep Pritchard and get Kispert.

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[Fierce1]

You guys want Beef Stew of the Pistons?

Could be a good replacement for Al.

PP, Kornet, Svi, Banton, and Lamar for Stew works.

Cs have to add picks of course.

5 for 1 trades don't happen mid-season.

We're especially not moving 5 players (and picks) for a guy who isn't even gonna start..and won't even be the 1st big off the bench.

Would have been a nice idea if he didn't sign that extension but I don't see it happening now.

Yeah, it's an unlikely trade.

I just showed that it can be done if the Cs really want to do it.

[Hal14]

I'd be down for Pritchard, picks, scraps for Avdija. Then trade a 2nd to the Bulls for Jevon Carter.

That'd be a lot of scraps to match salary. Pretty sure it'd have to be a 5 for 1 trade, which pretty much never happens in the middle of the season. And it'd be even less likely to trade 5 guys for a player who would be (at best) your 7th man.

Seems unlikely.

Or keep Pritchard and get Kispert.

This is something I'm open to. Kispert isn't perfect but no one who fits in the TPE and is actually available for trade is gonna be perfect. He is certainly one of the better options out there, imo.

Kispert was at Gonzaga for 4 years, a program where they win A LOT of games. He made the NCAA tournament title game as a senior.

Then he goes to Washington and is in his 3rd season there where they're a *bad* team. It might really get him juiced up to be back on a team with a winning culture again.

[RickyDizzle]

I'd be down for Pritchard, picks, scraps for Avdija. Then trade a 2nd to the Bulls for Jevon Carter.

That'd be a lot of scraps to match salary. Pretty sure it'd have to be a 5 for 1 trade, which pretty much never happens in the middle of the season. And it'd be even less likely to trade 5 guys for a player who would be (at best) your 7th man.

Seems unlikely.

Or keep Pritchard and get Kispert.

This is something I'm open to. Kispert isn't perfect but no one who fits in the TPE and is actually available for trade is gonna be perfect. He is certainly one of the better options out there, imo.

Kispert was at Gonzaga for 4 years, a program where they win A LOT of games. He made the NCAA tournament title game as a senior.

Then he goes to Washington and is in his 3rd season there where they're a *bad* team. It might really get him juiced up to be back on a team with a winning culture again.

What do you think the Kispert compensation would have to be? Is our own first this year and a couple seconds enough? Our firsts are going to be pretty junky for a while.

[Hal14]

I'd be down for Pritchard, picks, scraps for Avdija. Then trade a 2nd to the Bulls for Jevon Carter.

That'd be a lot of scraps to match salary. Pretty sure it'd have to be a 5 for 1 trade, which pretty much never happens in the middle of the season. And it'd be even less likely to trade 5 guys for a player who would be (at best) your 7th man.

Seems unlikely.

Or keep Pritchard and get Kispert.

This is something I'm open to. Kispert isn't perfect but no one who fits in the TPE and is actually available for trade is gonna be perfect. He is certainly one of the better options out there, imo.

Kispert was at Gonzaga for 4 years, a program where they win A LOT of games. He made the NCAA tournament title game as a senior.

Then he goes to Washington and is in his 3rd season there where they're a *bad* team. It might really get him juiced up to be back on a team with a winning culture again.

What do you think the Kispert compensation would have to be? Is our own first this year and a couple seconds enough? Our firsts are going to be pretty junky for a while.

Kispert was the 15th pick in the draft and he's been a pretty good player for them. I figure they will want a 1st rounder in return or a 2nd rounder + a good young player. We don't really have a good young player to give. Maybe Brad can sell them on Banton?

Maybe Banton + a 2nd rounder.

Maybe 2 2nds gets it done but they might not budge on getting a 1st rounder. Especially since other teams might be willing to offer a 1st rounder that is better than ours. 

But I feel like to give up a 1st rounder, we'd have to be getting a wing who is a pretty clear upgrade over Hauser. I'm not convinced Kispert is - he might be though..

Then again, I'm not hearing much in terms of rumors around Kispert - doesn't seem like there's much of a market for him so we might not have to give up too much.

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That'd be a lot of scraps to match salary. Pretty sure it'd have to be a 5 for 1 trade, which pretty much never happens in the middle of the season. And it'd be even less likely to trade 5 guys for a player who would be (at best) your 7th man.

Seems unlikely.


This is something I'm open to. Kispert isn't perfect but no one who fits in the TPE and is actually available for trade is gonna be perfect. He is certainly one of the better options out there, imo.

Kispert was at Gonzaga for 4 years, a program where they win A LOT of games. He made the NCAA tournament title game as a senior.

Then he goes to Washington and is in his 3rd season there where they're a *bad* team. It might really get him juiced up to be back on a team with a winning culture again.

What do you think the Kispert compensation would have to be? Is our own first this year and a couple seconds enough? Our firsts are going to be pretty junky for a while.

Kispert was the 15th pick in the draft and he's been a pretty good player for them. I figure they will want a 1st rounder in return or a 2nd rounder + a good young player. We don't really have a good young player to give. Maybe Brad can sell them on Banton?

Maybe Banton + a 2nd rounder.

Maybe 2 2nds gets it done but they might not budge on getting a 1st rounder. Especially since other teams might be willing to offer a 1st rounder that is better than ours. 

But I feel like to give up a 1st rounder, we'd have to be getting a wing who is a pretty clear upgrade over Hauser. I'm not convinced Kispert is - he might be though..

Then again, I'm not hearing much in terms of rumors around Kispert - doesn't seem like there's much of a market for him so we might not have to give up too much.

Aaron Wiggins who's name we tossed around in the off-season is putting up 15/6/2 per 36 on .702TS% in 600 minutes so far. A *tad* unsustainable but man that's a nice button to push off the bench.

[Hal14]

Thoughts on some potential trade targets:

First, guys who fit the TPE:
Kispert - not really a "big wing" per se. More like a medium sized wing haha. But the Wizards are a very bad team and rumor has it everyone except Coulibaly is available so he could certainly be attainable if we want him and he fits the TPE\

Fontecchio - he's a big wing. Pretty good player, can shoot it..possibly better than Hauser in terms of strength, athleticism, driving to basket, finishing near rim, perhaps a slightly better defender. He could certainly make sense for the TPE. But Utah is tied for the 9 seed so they're in the play-in - will they be sellers?

Bey - yes, he's a "big wing". Hasn't been shooting the ball well lately and his defense kind of a question mark. But you're not going to find perfect player who fits the TPE and is someone we can realistically acquire. He's one of the better options out there, imo. And he was good in the playoffs last year vs us. But will the Hawks be sellers? They're currently the 10 seed so they're in the play-in. And even if they sell, they may want to keep Bey, as he just dropped 26 pts the other night and made the game-winning basket.

Lonnie Walker IV - not really a "big wing" per se. Only 6'4.5" but does have a 6'10.25" wingspan. I'd call him more of a medium sized wing, like Kispert. I watched some nets film last night and Walker didn't really do much. But it seems like he puts up a lot of stats...maybe he just comes in and scores a lot after the game has already been decided? idk, I'd have to watch more. But he could be a good fit for what we need to help the bench. Also, the Nets are only a game behind the 10 seed Hawks, so they might not be sellers. Heck, there was an article a few days ago that said the Nets are buyers at the deadline. But then the other day I saw an article that said what their asking price is for DFS and Royce O'Neal so maybe they are sellers? Who knows lol

Kuminga/Moody - they fit the TPE. But these are probably pipe dreams. Warriors are trying to win. Reports are saying they are open to trading CP3/Wiggins so probably looking to package them up for someone like Lavine. Either way, it seems like they want to hang on to their young core (Moody, Kuminga, Podziemski, Jackson-Davis) so they still have some talent leftover once steph and them are getting washed up..and if they do trade Moody/Kuminga, the price will likely be too much for what we can offer - they'd likely be asking for a win now player in return, like a veteran starter caliber player.. Also, Kuminga is certainly a big wing but Moody is probably only a medium sized wing.

Naji Marshall - he's a big wing..measured 6'7" with a 7'0.75" wingspan at the combine..listed at 220 lbs. Checks a lot of boxes. 38.5% on catch and shoot 3's this season. He can defend. Showed some ability to take his man off the dribble and score at the rim the other night vs Boston. But the Pelicans are the 7 seed right now and only a game behind the 5 seed. And Marshall is in their rotation so why would they move him? You never know, perhaps they package him up in a deal to get someone better..and then we swoop in as the 3rd team in the deal to get Marshall..or we get him afterwards in a separate deal. But that seems unlikely - Marshall makes such a low amount of $ that his contract isn't very useful for salary matching for the Pels to go and add a significant veteran piece. Seems kind of like a pipe dream here..

Grimes - probably a pipe dream. Knicks are now the 3 seed. Grimes is in their rotation, played 20 mins in their last game. They're not giving him to us. If they move him it's part of a package to get a legit 4th/5th starter to complement Randle/Brunson/OG..

Aaron Wiggins - probably a pipe dream. OKC is the 2nd seed out west, only a game behind Minnesota. Why would they trade him? Especially to the team with the best record in the league? Only way I see it happening is a scenario like I outlined above with Marshall..

Eason - pipe dream. Only 22, they just drafted him w/ a top 20 pick in 2022 and he's been a good player for them. They're not gonna trade him and if they do, it's to get a win-now player, someone who is a legit top 5 or 6 player on a playoff team. And we're not trading anyone like that to get Eason..especially considering Eason is currently injured and hasn't played in a game since January 1

They don't fit the TPE:
Osman - big wing. Spurs are going nowhere and reportedly are open to moving him. But is it worth it (and is it even realistic) to do a 3 for 1 trade where we are trading 3 end of bench scrubs away? Is it worth it to do that, when we could just get one of the guys listed above, who fits the TPE so it'd be an easier transaction to make?

Tate - doesn't fit TPE. Can't shoot. And Houston is trying to win so if they do trade Tate, they'd likely be looking for win-now players, which we don't have to give. Rumor has it, the Rockets are trying to get Mikal Bridges.. I'm not really interested in Tate - hoping the rumors about him are just that..

Caruso - probably a pipe dream. But I guess you never know, maybe Brad gets aggressive, swoops in and packages up Pitchard + filler + picks. I doubt it, though. Seems like a wing is the focus for Brad, not a guard. Prichard has been playing better than Hauser lately..Pritchard has been showing more in terms of expanding his game with off the dribble moves, being able to create his own shot, score of the bounce, gives us more ball handling, more quickness and energy than we get from Hauser. And pritchard was inked to the contract extension recently..plus, Chicago is the 9 seed so they're probably trying ti win. Unless they move Lavine and end up trying to blow it up anyways?

Beef Stew - pipe dream. Like Caruso, I'd love to get him but just don't see it happening since it'd have to be a 5 for 1 trade which basically never happen in the middle of the season, especially if you're moving all those players for a guy who won't start and won't even be your 1st big off the bench

Possible buyout options?
PJ Tucker
Alec Burks
Kelly Olynyk
Chris Boucher
Victor Oladipo
Cedi Osman
Delon Wright
Danilo Gallinari

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[shackles10]

I want a TJ McConnell who's a bit bigger, but also shoot open threes, and can defend. Where can we find one?

Larry Bird aint walking through that door brother!

[brackdan70]

I want a TJ McConnell who's a bit bigger, but also shoot open threes, and can defend. Where can we find one?

Larry Bird aint walking through that door brother!

Maybe the Italian Larry Bird?

[shackles10]

I want a TJ McConnell who's a bit bigger, but also shoot open threes, and can defend. Where can we find one?

Larry Bird aint walking through that door brother!

Maybe the Italian Larry Bird?

He can't defend lol

[celtxman]

Thoughts on some potential trade targets:

First, guys who fit the TPE:
Kispert - not really a "big wing" per se. More like a medium sized wing haha. But the Wizards are a very bad team and rumor has it everyone except Coulibaly is available so he could certainly be attainable if we want him and he fits the TPE\

Fontecchio - he's a big wing. Pretty good player, can shoot it..possibly better than Hauser in terms of strength, athleticism, driving to basket, finishing near rim, perhaps a slightly better defender. He could certainly make sense for the TPE. But Utah is tied for the 9 seed so they're in the play-in - will they be sellers?

Bey - yes, he's a "big wing". Hasn't been shooting the ball well lately and his defense kind of a question mark. But you're not going to find perfect player who fits the TPE and is someone we can realistically acquire. He's one of the better options out there, imo. And he was good in the playoffs last year vs us. But will the Hawks be sellers? They're currently the 10 seed so they're in the play-in. And even if they sell, they may want to keep Bey, as he just dropped 26 pts the other night and made the game-winning basket.

Lonnie Walker IV - not really a "big wing" per se. Only 6'4.5" but does have a 6'10.25" wingspan. I'd call him more of a medium sized wing, like Kispert. I watched some nets film last night and Walker didn't really do much. But it seems like he puts up a lot of stats...maybe he just comes in and scores a lot after the game has already been decided? idk, I'd have to watch more. But he could be a good fit for what we need to help the bench. Also, the Nets are only a game behind the 10 seed Hawks, so they might not be sellers. Heck, there was an article a few days ago that said the Nets are buyers at the deadline. But then the other day I saw an article that said what their asking price is for DFS and Royce O'Neal so maybe they are sellers? Who knows lol

Kuminga/Moody - they fit the TPE. But these are probably pipe dreams. Warriors are trying to win. Reports are saying they are open to trading CP3/Wiggins so probably looking to package them up for someone like Lavine. Either way, it seems like they want to hang on to their young core (Moody, Kuminga, Podziemski, Jackson-Davis) so they still have some talent leftover once steph and them are getting washed up..and if they do trade Moody/Kuminga, the price will likely be too much for what we can offer - they'd likely be asking for a win now player in return, like a veteran starter caliber player.. Also, Kuminga is certainly a big wing but Moody is probably only a medium sized wing.

Naji Marshall - he's a big wing..measured 6'7" with a 7'0.75" wingspan at the combine..listed at 220 lbs. Checks a lot of boxes. 38.5% on catch and shoot 3's this season. He can defend. Showed some ability to take his man off the dribble and score at the rim the other night vs Boston. But the Pelicans are the 7 seed right now and only a game behind the 5 seed. And Marshall is in their rotation so why would they move him? You never know, perhaps they package him up in a deal to get someone better..and then we swoop in as the 3rd team in the deal to get Marshall..or we get him afterwards in a separate deal. But that seems unlikely - Marshall makes such a low amount of $ that his contract isn't very useful for salary matching for the Pels to go and add a significant veteran piece. Seems kind of like a pipe dream here..

Grimes - probably a pipe dream. Knicks are now the 3 seed. Grimes is in their rotation, played 20 mins in their last game. They're not giving him to us. If they move him it's part of a package to get a legit 4th/5th starter to complement Randle/Brunson/OG..

Aaron Wiggins - probably a pipe dream. OKC is the 2nd seed out west, only a game behind Minnesota. Why would they trade him? Especially to the team with the best record in the league? Only way I see it happening is a scenario like I outlined above with Marshall..

They don't fit the TPE:
Osman - big wing. Spurs are going nowhere and reportedly are open to moving him. But is it worth it (and is it even realistic) to do a 3 for 1 trade where we are trading 3 end of bench scrubs away? Is it worth it to do that, when we could just get one of the guys listed above, who fits the TPE so it'd be an easier transaction to make?

Tate - doesn't fit TPE. Can't shoot. And Houston is trying to win so if they do trade Tate, they'd likely be looking for win-now players, which we don't have to give. Rumor has it, the Rockets are trying to get Mikal Bridges.. I'm not really interested in Tate - hoping the rumors about him are just that..

Caruso - probably a pipe dream. But I guess you never know, maybe Brad gets aggressive, swoops in and packages up Pitchard + filler + picks. I doubt it, though. Seems like a wing is the focus for Brad, not a guard. Prichard has been playing better than Hauser lately..Pritchard has been showing more in terms of expanding his game with off the dribble moves, being able to create his own shot, score of the bounce, gives us more ball handling, more quickness and energy than we get from Hauser. And pritchard was inked to the contract extension recently..plus, Chicago is the 9 seed so they're probably trying ti win. Unless they move Lavine and end up trying to blow it up anyways?

Beef Stew - pipe dream. Like Caruso, I'd love to get him but just don't see it happening since it'd have to be a 5 for 1 trade which basically never happen in the middle of the season, especially if you're moving all those players for a guy who won't start and won't even be your 1st big off the bench

Possible buyout options?
PJ Tucker
Alec Burks
Kelly Olynyk
Chris Boucher
Victor Oladipo
Cedi Osman
Delon Wright
Danilo Gallinari

My two choices would be KO in a buyout and Walker. They both are done good things I the playoffs in limited roles. Gallinari went onto the radar with his 20 point game on 6-8 yesterday. Could be a fluke - is it worth taking a flyer? Would both sides be willing to do it?

[brackdan70]

Larry Bird aint walking through that door brother!

Maybe the Italian Larry Bird?

He can't defend lol

Maybe the Turkish one then lol.

I’d be ok with James Posey walking through that door.

[shackles10]

Maybe the Italian Larry Bird?

He can't defend lol

Maybe the Turkish one then lol.

I’d be ok with James Posey walking through that door.

Most of the guys we're mentioning are hobbling through the door as often as they're walking unfortunately. I should know, I hobble sometimes too

[celtxman]

Curious Case of Neemias Queta

I like Queta, and I really like his potential moving forward. Queta is an incredible athlete at the center position. Queta's basketball skills and knowledge of the game need some more work. I still think he is a few years away. I am going to be curious to see what Brad Stevens does Neemias Queta moving forward this year and next year.

My opinion, I would keep Queta on his two way contract for the balance of the year. No playoffs for Queta this year. This off-season I would try to sign him to a cheap 3 year deal on the parent team.

I would not be opposed to acquiring another cheap vet big man with experience to go with Porzingis, Horford and Kornet for the playoff push this year. I don't feel awesome about Queta getting playoff minutes if he had to this season.

Like I said, going to be interesting to see how Brad Stevens feels about Queta moving forward.

Idk. I'm not sure why Queta would get a 3 year deal when Kornet hasn't gotten one. Kornet has been over him on the depth chart all season, has been here for like 4 years now. But Kornet has only been on 1 year deals - and they have been non-guaranteed deals too.

And Kornet is only 28, so still likely has a few more good seasons left in him.

Brad has typically only given 2-way contracts or 1 year deals to end of bench players.

Only exceptions - Pritchard multi year extension but he's been a rotation player for most of his 4 year career. Walsh multi year deal but pretty much all rookie contracts given to a player who was just drafted that aren't 2-way deals are like that.

Hauser multi year contract but he was given that contract because there was a clear and planned path for him to be in the rotation consistently. And that also was his rookie contract after being converted from a 2-way (which again, those types of contracts are almost always multi-year deals).

Hauser was only on a 2-way for half a season. Queta is in a different situation. He' now in his *third* season on a 2-way. In his 3rd NBA season, yet he hasn't played in more than 20 NBA games in a season. He's still raw, he's still a project but is gonna turn 25 this summer.

Seems like a guy whose best case scenario is getting a 1 year contract next season. Maybe it'll be in Boston, maybe it'll be somewhere else where there is a more clearly defined path to consistent playing time so he can develop more and not be such a raw/project type of big anymore. But I doubt he gets a multi-year contract for next season - unless he *really* crushes it for us over the course of the rest of this season.

Kornet will be getting paid this off-season. Queta if he got a 3 year deal it would be something like 3 years and a total of $4 million. That might be valuable to a 2nd apron team.

My first question is how much NBA experience is Queta considered to have? He's played in parts of 3 seasons and that effects his base minimum salary, so I think he would get more than $4 million. But since it doesn't seem that signing anyone will effect any more aprons, in addition to getting some minutes out of Queta, it would give a tradeable salary. If he plays better, even better for the Celtics.