What would it take for MLSE to fire Masai Ujiri?

[lobosloboslobos]

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whatever

[ItsDanger]

What would it take to stop these posts every 2 days during a rebuild?

If the topic doesn't interest you, don't open the thread. If the topic offends you, consider the current 17-30 record.

[Duffman100]

What would it take to stop these posts every 2 days during a rebuild?

If the topic doesn't interest you, don't open the thread. If the topic offends you, consider the current 17-30 record.

You literally JUST posted we have to see how he does in the Rebuild phase but then you turn and use the record as a reason for this thread existing...

[ItsDanger]

What would it take to stop these posts every 2 days during a rebuild?

If the topic doesn't interest you, don't open the thread. If the topic offends you, consider the current 17-30 record.

You literally JUST posted we have to see how he does in the Rebuild phase but then you turn and use the record as a reason for this thread existing...

I gave my opinion on the thread topic earlier, other posters have their opinions to create a thread and pose a question.

[TerryTate]

According to whom? Masai traded for Poeltl forecasting a 2023/2024 winning season, and Raptors also hiked season ticket prices by over 10% yoy in Feb/March 2023. Look it up

I'm a season seat holder, so I know how much tickets went up, but tell me which media forecasters had the Raptors higher than the play-in. And MLSE tends to price tickets by supply and demand, not by how many wins they expect.

My point is that a lot of decisions on the direction of this franchise was made around Feb/March 2023 and these decisions have not gone well - in fact to the detriment of this pivot rebuild. But most fans on realgm and reddit knew the decisions were wrong at that time. Just terrible bias in management being shown by Masai

Yea and he admitted it in the post pascal trade presser. He felt early in the season there were some injury roadbumps and he wanted to give the team a chance. Yea it was the wrong decision in hindsight. I think most people understand that. What are you gonna hire some scrub new GM, cause the GM wanted to have faith in his team.

Pivot rebuild, given the circumstances I think we pivoted pretty well and got enough assets back (provided we get a 1st for Bruce Brown).

IMO, still bottomline, Masai is better than 80% of the league. He won us a championship, he should be given slack. Too many internet keyboard warriors think they know better than people who live and breathe this every single day.

[binjumper]

If the topic doesn't interest you, don't open the thread. If the topic offends you, consider the current 17-30 record.

You literally JUST posted we have to see how he does in the Rebuild phase but then you turn and use the record as a reason for this thread existing...

I gave my opinion on the thread topic earlier, other posters have their opinions to create a thread and pose a question.

Maybe we get too much of your opinion. Too much of anything can be excessive.

[ItsDanger]

Define "slack". Is that a specific time range? 5 yrs? 10 yrs? Forever?

I would argue 3 yrs myself is sufficient before answers are demanded. But it's been almost 5 since the championship. Probably most would feel around 5 yrs is when the slack is taken away.

[TGM]

That's not the argument. I'm saying it wasn't a rebuild. He started with a 48 win team.

34 win team. Masai was the GM on that 48 win team. You’re right in that he inherited his core players but he put a great team around them and because we were the best drafting team of the decade we were able to package players for upgrades while not sacrificing our depth. We were then able to have the best regular season in franchise history despite losing a top 5 player in Kawhi. There was no better executive than Masai from 2013-2021.

The Warriors won 4 titles during that period with 5 finals appearances, Heat won 2 with 3 finals appearances, Cavs won 1 with 3 finals appearances.

But yes, no one is and was better than Masai during that period.

Heat and Cavs had Lebron. Arguably the GOAT are you going to pin that on Masai for not getting Lebron.

The warriors did well, but you got to remember what actually happened. They drafted Curry who was a senior out of Davidson. Curry carried injuries for the first several years to the point GS was hesitating on resigning him. They ended getting him on a super cheap deal. Drafted Klay and Draymond. Draymond become this absolutely defensive 5 tool stat stuffer and leader. No Draymond no titles. 29 other teams missed on Draymond. San Fran also so happen to start the beginning of the Silicon Valley boom resulting in sky rocketing prices and spending in that part of the US where money became no issue for ownership. Don’t forget they even got KD at one point. Four superstars in their prime which is unheard of in this era. GS also is a FA destination a little lesser than Miami but you can also fill rotational pieces at like vet minimum.

Look at GS now. You can argue that they are holding onto pieces with no future as well and should be sellers this season, but they aren’t. I’m sure sometimes in the job you can’t be as ruthless as fans looking at it from a zero player employer relationship. Once you build that kind of mercenary relationship with players that becomes your reputation and I’m sure does you no good longer term.

Masai has done a pretty damn good job. Need to cut the man some slack. Sometimes not just about the championship look at what he has done for basketball in Canada. 10 years ago you wouldn’t have anywhere as many people debating on realGM.

[LarSiN]

What would it take to stop these posts every 2 days during a rebuild?

If the topic doesn't interest you, don't open the thread. If the topic offends you, consider the current 17-30 record.

LOL @ being "offended" by a realgm post. It's just exhausting seeing the same basic post constantly. They're not being fired, move on.

[mademan]

We're finally rebuilding and we have Masai at the helm. Why would we fire him? This is where he shines

[T_saurus]

Every GM has hits and misses. You're not going to find anything better than what we have

[Johnny Bball]

What would it take to stop these posts every 2 days during a rebuild?

They got what they wanted and some complain even more. It has nothing to do with the Raptors or what they are doing, or who is managing it. Good luck getting these folks to realize it and stop.

[Dude-niagara]

I think he bought himself some time by trading Pascal and not giving into Pascal's demands for 4 or 5 year max which would have crippled the franchise because Siakam is no superstar and paying him 50m after the age of 30 was stupid. If Siakam was a Superstar then we're not 10 games below .500 the day he was traded with a team that was second most healthy. Yes Siakam would get stats but never effected winning and Masai finally ended the Fred and Siakam era. THANK GOD

Like what did those 2 ever get done? the last time we made the playoffs the team sucked to start the year and then got a huge boost because of Covid and beating teams missing top players. Just thrilled it's over, at least those DD/Lowry teams provided exciting winning regular regular season basketball.

Looking forward to the future and happy we picked a direction.

FVV and Siakam fulfilled Masai's vision for this franchise - rags to riches

Again can anyone explain what great things those two did after Leonard left. I blame Nurse for putting Norm on the bench and starting Lowry/Fred with midget backcourt. Then maybe Masai trades Norm and the Fred/Siakam era of losing fully begins

[rarefind]

Yes very well and it reminds me exactly of today. Lots of losses, one young star and gallons kool-aid hope going around into the darkness.

Except those front offices never delivered a single 50 win season for what they built up.

The bar for success was that low.

Yes, it could get exponentially worse for what F.O. replaces Masai.

No others went on to focus on political aspirations and global charity schemes

Not sure it will be better or worse although recent years shows us that alot is not the same about this duo and its not good at all.

Masai came in with confidence, energy and enthusiasm to a team that needed every bit of it. Sorry it's simply just not there anymore and it's needed again.

If we are comparing the current state of the franchise, a core of Barnes, Quickley and Barrett to the dark days then we really don't remember the dark days.

[refshateRaps]

Except those front offices never delivered a single 50 win season for what they built up.

The bar for success was that low.

Yes, it could get exponentially worse for what F.O. replaces Masai.

No others went on to focus on political aspirations and global charity schemes

Not sure it will be better or worse although recent years shows us that alot is not the same about this duo and its not good at all.

Masai came in with confidence, energy and enthusiasm to a team that needed every bit of it. Sorry it's simply just not there anymore and it's needed again.

If we are comparing the current state of the franchise, a core of Barnes, Quickley and Barrett to the dark days then we really don't remember the dark days.

Not even saying right now is not better then some of the darkest years, we had some beauties pre Carter. The fact its even being brought up in discussion a few years after a Championship shows the lack of attention from the front office to let us slide here.

This overrating of Barnes, Quickley and Barrett as a core is a direct reflection of the many years past.

[mickie]

i have one advise to all these unhappy fans... leave because it'll get worse before it gets better.

[HangTime]

Can OP add a poll to see when people became fans of the Raptors.

[tecumseh18]

i have one advise to all these unhappy fans... leave because it'll get worse before it gets better.

I don't think you get it. The Raptors losing is mother's milk to these miserable SOBs. It gives them a chance to show off how "smart" they are. Even when the Raptors masterfully pulled off the Tampa Tank, providing a lot of entertainment value in their race to the bottom, there were constant complaints from that corner about how we weren't tanking hard enough. Just on and on ... and on. smh

Here's a thought - let's all just watch the team and get an emotional charge out of what happens. Be happy when we win (or lose), and sad when we lose (or win). We have zero control over the course of events, so the whole "nattering nabobs of negativity" act is pretty tiresome, at this point.