Woj: Randle dislocated right shoulder UPDATE PG 23 - No Significant Damage

[RHODEY]

On the other hand, Mitch was said to be out for 6-8 weeks before it was announced, that he is out for the whole season.

Knicks were denied the injured player exception because there is now belief Robinson will be back.

Yes, on the 10th of January. On the 21st of December however, most of us were really sad. Those who weren't, can lick it.

Point is it's good news either way.

[gavran]

It was never announced that Mitch is out for the season

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274041/Knicks-Expect-Mitchell-Robinson-To-Miss-Season-Apply-For-Disabled-Player-Exception-Worth-$78M

The what was the DPE about, if not for the expectation that he'll miss the season?

Due diligence

In the event that a team is granted a disabled player exception, uses it to acquire a player, and then has its injured player return ahead of schedule (ie. before the end of the season), the team is allowed to carry both players.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/11/hoops-rumors-glossary-disabled-player-exception-2.html

OK, this is stupid, but you are right. There is no retribution if a player would come back early, after a team would use the DPE on someone else. I though the injured player wouldn't be allowed back that season. Seems like a giant loophole in the CBA.

[Deeeez Knicks]

It sounds pretty much like what we have heard. The Knicks and Randle are hoping he can heal up enough to come back this season and avoid surgery for now. But with this type of injury, there is a high risk of re-aggravation or he may need clean up surgery in the offseason.

[GONYK]

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That's not an announcement from the Knicks.

They never updated their official timetable of 8-10 weeks.

so you're saying you weren't surprised by this news?

I was, but I'm not a member of the Knicks' FO

[DOT]

It sounds pretty much like what we have heard. The Knicks and Randle are hoping he can heal up enough to come back this season and avoid surgery for now. But with this type of injury, there is a high risk of re-aggravation or he may need clean up surgery in the offseason.

Honestly, I would rather have him just do the surgery and get it fixed even if it means he can't come back this year

Because if he re-injures it, you gotta think that could cause long term damage to him, and I just don't want that, like it's not worth it.

[GONYK]

It sounds pretty much like what we have heard. The Knicks and Randle are hoping he can heal up enough to come back this season and avoid surgery for now. But with this type of injury, there is a high risk of re-aggravation or he may need clean up surgery in the offseason.

Honestly, I would rather have him just do the surgery and get it fixed even if it means he can't come back this year

Because if he re-injures it, you gotta think that could cause long term damage to him, and I just don't want that, like it's not worth it.

Eh, if there is a reasonable chance he can make it through the playoffs fine, it is definitely worth it. The stars are aligning for a real run this season.

Was it worth Giannis playing on a severely hyperextended knee with a very high chance of a full-blown ACL tear if he got hit like that again in 2021?

I would say Giannis and the Bucks would agree it was worth the risk

[3toheadmelo]

That's not an announcement from the Knicks.

They never updated their official timetable of 8-10 weeks.

so you're saying you weren't surprised by this news?

I was, but I'm not a member of the Knicks' FO

Fair enough lol

[DOT]

It sounds pretty much like what we have heard. The Knicks and Randle are hoping he can heal up enough to come back this season and avoid surgery for now. But with this type of injury, there is a high risk of re-aggravation or he may need clean up surgery in the offseason.

Honestly, I would rather have him just do the surgery and get it fixed even if it means he can't come back this year

Because if he re-injures it, you gotta think that could cause long term damage to him, and I just don't want that, like it's not worth it.

Eh, if there is a reasonable chance he can make it through the playoffs fine, it is definitely worth it. The stars are aligning for a real run this season.

Was it worth Giannis playing on a severely hyperextended knee with a very high chance of a full-blown ACL tear if he got hit like that again in 2021?

I would say Giannis and the Bucks would agree it was worth the risk

That's something we're only gonna know with hindsight

I'm just pretty risk averse when it comes to injuries cause if he gives himself permanent damage, that's gonna last with him well after his basketball career is over.

[3toheadmelo]

I’m not too concerned about Randle reinjuring his shoulder. Wade didn’t have much issues with it and won more championships

[Deeeez Knicks]

It sounds pretty much like what we have heard. The Knicks and Randle are hoping he can heal up enough to come back this season and avoid surgery for now. But with this type of injury, there is a high risk of re-aggravation or he may need clean up surgery in the offseason.

Honestly, I would rather have him just do the surgery and get it fixed even if it means he can't come back this year

Because if he re-injures it, you gotta think that could cause long term damage to him, and I just don't want that, like it's not worth it.

It's really hard to say without knowing all the details. I don't know the risks for long term damage. Even the doctors can't be 100% certain and there's different risks for each option. Just knowing Randles mentality he'll try to come back as soon as he can.

[GONYK]

Honestly, I would rather have him just do the surgery and get it fixed even if it means he can't come back this year

Because if he re-injures it, you gotta think that could cause long term damage to him, and I just don't want that, like it's not worth it.

Eh, if there is a reasonable chance he can make it through the playoffs fine, it is definitely worth it. The stars are aligning for a real run this season.

Was it worth Giannis playing on a severely hyperextended knee with a very high chance of a full-blown ACL tear if he got hit like that again in 2021?

I would say Giannis and the Bucks would agree it was worth the risk

That's something we're only gonna know with hindsight

I'm just pretty risk averse when it comes to injuries cause if he gives himself permanent damage, that's gonna last with him well after his basketball career is over.

True, but if the prevailing worst-case scenario is re-injuring it and getting the surgery anyway (I'm not saying that is, I'm saying if it is) then all parties involved might roll the dice.

Ultimately, I think this is taking a long time because the team is letting Julius explore all his options and weigh the pros and cons.

Personally, I support anything Ju chooses for himself. I'm just saying, we could be special this year.

[HopelessKnick]

Honestly, I would rather have him just do the surgery and get it fixed even if it means he can't come back this year

Because if he re-injures it, you gotta think that could cause long term damage to him, and I just don't want that, like it's not worth it.

Eh, if there is a reasonable chance he can make it through the playoffs fine, it is definitely worth it. The stars are aligning for a real run this season.

Was it worth Giannis playing on a severely hyperextended knee with a very high chance of a full-blown ACL tear if he got hit like that again in 2021?

I would say Giannis and the Bucks would agree it was worth the risk

That's something we're only gonna know with hindsight

I'm just pretty risk averse when it comes to injuries cause if he gives himself permanent damage, that's gonna last with him well after his basketball career is over.

I appreciate your concern for Randle the player and after his career. I do however think that in this case it is a very measured risk he is taking. Keep in mind that both X-Ray and MRI so far have not shown significant damage. For the conservatie approach he has ample time to rehab the shoulder and still get back for the final 10-15 games. Then keep in mind he would be playing something between 15-35 games or so overall, including playoffs. Thus with no significant damage + ample rehab time + the fact that he'd be playing like 35 games max ---the odds of him re-injuring it would be rather low. Some players do in fact re-injure it, but many after playing a lot more games. So rehabbing it, getting in the final regular season games and then through the playoffs....then he could still get that surgery and fix it for good. Given, the limited amount of game remaining, I think going the surgery route right now would be truly super conservative. BTW, from a medical standpoint, causing permament damage to it, even if he re-injures it is rather low.

[jvsimonetti0514]

There's a risk to doing surgery as well. Sometimes full range of motion is never recovered after getting operated on either. At least that's what I was warned about when being given options on what to do with my arm. Obviously, I'm not a professional athlete but I had no issues with my shoulder for 10 years after doing physical therapy. It took falling on that same arm again in a similar way to reinjure it. So that's just something to keep in mind during the discussion.

[Kampuchea]

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[JXL]

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Best case scenario. However, also a chance if his rehab doesn't go well, surgery is still on the table.

[3eePointGoal]

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I'll take it as a good sign.... if it was season ending im sure it would've been said. Either way... get healthy big bro and meanwhile let's go KNICKS!

[Jalen Bluntson]

It's not about him getting traded, it's about the Knicks possibly wanting to trade for someone. If he is out for the season, the Knicks might need to pay extra for someone.

But with the positive info we have so far, nothing indicates hell be out for the season. So it seems like a waste of energy to speculate in that direction.

On the other hand, Mitch was said to be out for 6-8 weeks before it was announced, that he is out for the whole season.

Umm... isn't this backwards? We thought he was gone for the season. Then they were denied the injury exception because it was optimistic he could be back in 6-8 weeks.

[HopelessKnick]

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Definitely a good sign, a very good one. 2-3 weeks is on the short end of the rehab time recovered for a dislocated shoulder. You have the X-ray, the MRI and now this bit of news.....everything is pointing towards Randle being back...and rather sooner than later. I still hope they keep him out for at least 4-6 weeks, just to give him ample time to rehab and recover.

Randle himself is a maniac.....I think he is probably targeting a return immediately post all-star break....

[Jalen Bluntson]

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They are withholding info!! It's a conspiracy!! Stop the presses!! His arm fell off but they don't want anyone to know!!

[Crackerjack465]

Big news. 2-3 weeks isn't that long and the AS break being in there helps a lot. Even if he misses all of February, only 12 games. It's a fairly tough stretch with the Pacers x2, Lakers, Mavs, Magic, 76ers, Cs, Pelicans, Warriors, Cavs, but there are 5-6 very winnable games as well.

I think we can pull at the very least .500 and be in a good spot when Randle comes back.