UTA/OKC - Olynyk/THT - Bertans

[bkohler]

UTA OUT: Olynyk / THT / Protections changed to top 3 on 2024 pick
UTA IN: Bertans / 2 SRP
Why: UTA gets lower value than it potentially could for Olynyk but no longer has to worry about where they are finishing to end the season as the pick will end up conveying almost certainly.

OKC OUT: 2 SRP (dealers choice) / Bertans
OKC IN: Olynyk / THT / Protections changed to top 3 on 2024 pick
Why: OKC gets a quality backup big who won't dramatically alter their future plans or cap but give them a little more oomph for the playoff run. Can most likely buyout THT and have this be a neutral salary trade as well as saving them the 5M from Bertans next year.

[jayjaysee]

Utah lowers their protection just for 2nds?

And that cost involves getting to turn Bertans into Kelly.

I’m pretty confused by the valuations.

[babyjax13]

Utah lowers their protection just for 2nds?

And that cost involves getting to turn Bertans into Kelly.

I’m pretty confused by the valuations.

It's a terrible draft year. I'd much rather have this pick convey than not.

[jayjaysee]

Utah lowers their protection just for 2nds?

And that cost involves getting to turn Bertans into Kelly.

I’m pretty confused by the valuations.

It's a terrible draft year. I'd much rather have this pick convey than not.

I think OKC would be happy with that. Getting Cody Williams or Matas or Flip instead of waiting til next year… I don’t think this draft is as bad as some posters here

[babyjax13]

Utah lowers their protection just for 2nds?

And that cost involves getting to turn Bertans into Kelly.

I’m pretty confused by the valuations.

It's a terrible draft year. I'd much rather have this pick convey than not.

I think OKC would be happy with that. Getting Cody Williams or Matas or Flip instead of waiting til next year… I don’t think this draft is as bad as some posters here

I agree that it's not abysmal, but I think there is some really hard fall off and no true #1 caliber prospect. You've also identified two of the prospects I like (Cody, Matas) and I wouod be disappointed if we missed out on one of them. I am not sure what Utah is owed here.

[Texas Chuck]

yeah the direness of this year's draft is so overblown. There is no Wemby. Doesn't mean there is no talent.

Now I get Utah maybe just wanting to clear off their debt. But they are still due more value in this deal. This just feels like free stuff for OKC as is.

[bkohler]

Utah lowers their protection just for 2nds?

And that cost involves getting to turn Bertans into Kelly.

I’m pretty confused by the valuations.

The real value in this trade IS getting to lower the protections. At the moment, I have to assume that OKC would much prefer the pick conveys in 25 or 26, where the draft would be much stronger, the protections lower, and they'll be closer to a cash crunch where a young cost-controlled player would be very helpful.

Olynyk is the sweeter, and that alone is worth more than the chance to lower the protections, hence the 2 2nds.

[SkyHook]

UTA OUT: Olynyk / THT / Protections changed to top 3 on 2024 pick
UTA IN: Bertans / 2 SRP
Why: UTA gets lower value than it potentially could for Olynyk but no longer has to worry about where they are finishing to end the season as the pick will end up conveying almost certainly.

OKC OUT: 2 SRP (dealers choice) / Bertans
OKC IN: Olynyk / THT / Protections changed to top 3 on 2024 pick
Why: OKC gets a quality backup big who won't dramatically alter their future plans or cap but give them a little more oomph for the playoff run. Can most likely buyout THT and have this be a neutral salary trade as well as saving them the 5M from Bertans next year.

This is pretty good. Make it three SRPs —specifically these: 2024 HOU + 2025 PHI + 2026 GSW — and I’m sold.

[SkyHook]

yeah the direness of this year's draft is so overblown. There is no Wemby. Doesn't mean there is no talent.

Now I get Utah maybe just wanting to clear off their debt. But they are still due more value in this deal. This just feels like free stuff for OKC as is.

There are going to be some really good players in every draft, this one included, but the bolded is the core reason. And I’d hold out for three SRPs: 2024 HOU + 2025 PHI + 2026 GSW.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Sure. I’d even make it top 3 protected and then 2 2nds.

You can keep THT.

[bkohler]

Part of my reasoning here is I don't think Olynyk could get the 24 pick straight up, but that pick seems to be dictating much of how the Jazz are approaching this season. So get some seconds + the pick protections changed but not removed. It limits the high-end value if the Jazz jump in the lottery but makes it a near certainty the pick conveys and, as Chuck mentioned, gets them out of debt.

As a Jazz fan I'd be happy for OKC to throw in any additional value they feel like! But I think we'd get enough value out of it as it (give or take a SRP).

Obviously, if there's a good FRP on the table for Olynyk, you do that, but if you're getting the 6 SRP type deal... well, I'd rather have less of those and our picks unencumbered.

[babyjax13]

yeah the direness of this year's draft is so overblown. There is no Wemby. Doesn't mean there is no talent.

Now I get Utah maybe just wanting to clear off their debt. But they are still due more value in this deal. This just feels like free stuff for OKC as is.

There will be good players, but the distribution is going to be much more random than normal. There are no great college players with super projectable skillsets, the ignite class is struggling, and the international class is good but with no one that can truly redeem the lack of top end talent and depth. Like, I'd be really happy with one of Sarr/Buzelis/Williams, and maybe ever one of Saluan/Topic/Holland/Saluan, but most drafts are deeper than this, with better (and more differentiable) top end talent. This also allows us more flexibility with trades moving forward. Again, I'm not sure the proper value here, but there is a pretty obvious incentive to have this obligation over with.

[SkyHook]

Sure. I’d even make it top 3 protected and then 2 2nds.

You can keep THT.

Sending the expiring THT contract this year (partially) offsets losing $5.25MM in cap space for the Bertans dead money.

[bkohler]

Sure. I’d even make it top 3 protected and then 2 2nds.

You can keep THT.

No deal, you've got to take him. Please take him... unless you want a fresh John Collins? Almost like new? Low miles? No... okay.

[SkyHook]

Part of my reasoning here is I don't think Olynyk could get the 24 pick straight up, but that pick seems to be dictating much of how the Jazz are approaching this season. So get some seconds + the pick protections changed but not removed. It limits the high-end value if the Jazz jump in the lottery but makes it a near certainty the pick conveys and, as Chuck mentioned, gets them out of debt.

As a Jazz fan I'd be happy for OKC to throw in any additional value they feel like! But I think we'd get enough value out of it as it (give or take a SRP).

Obviously, if there's a good FRP on the table for Olynyk, you do that, but if you're getting the 6 SRP type deal... well, I'd rather have less of those and our picks unencumbered.

Bingo. Better to reduce the uncertainty surrounding that pick to a moonshot.

[sip]

Wow this is a beyond stupid trade idea for the jazz. If we finish in the top 10 then we 100% want to keep our pick because we have a lack of talent and while this draft may lack stars players it is filled with high level role player prospects. Such a stupid idea.

[bkohler]

Wow this is a beyond stupid trade idea for the jazz. If we finish in the top 10 then we 100% want to keep our pick because we have a lack of talent and while this draft may lack stars players it is filled with high level role player prospects. Such a stupid idea.

Keeping the 25 and 26 picks are much more important than keeping the 24 pick. Were already doing all we can to make sure it’s conveyed in what would likely be the 12-15 spot… what makes it so bad to try and convey it if we fall to say 8-10?

[Dadouv47]

This is wayyyy to good for OKC. I know this draft sucks but it's unlikely you won't find a couple of future all stars in the top 10. Gettind rid of Olynyk on top of that (who has a pretty decent value IMO) is crazy.

[Dadouv47]

Should at least move the protection to top 6 so u can tank as much as you want since u won't reach the worst 6-7 teams in the league anyway and ask for the worst of LAC/OKC 2024 FRP.

...and that's still bad for Utah I think.

[bkohler]

I find this hilarious that the majority of the Jazz fans are like - 'Yeah, okay.. not awesome, but not horrible'

And OKC fans seem to think they're not paying enough.

Might be the weirdest trade I've ever made.