Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas -Trade Deadline Thursday 2 pm CT

[SirChurros]

Some of us have been citing "Giannis as the P&R ball-handler" stats for years in an effort to debunk this weird criticism. This season he's literally the most efficient out of all qualified players (1.17 PPP). Don't expect that to last, but the idea that the Giannis-at-the-top-of-the-key possessions have ever been sub-optimal offense is very much a feelings-over-facts argument at this point. Same thing when we joke about Middleton "dribbling the ball off his foot". You're just hyper focusing on the 2-3 negative plays every game.

He’s not the most efficient, at least not according to how Synergy defines minimum qualifications.

He also turns it over 14.4% of the time as PnR Ball Handler. I mean if you’re looking at PPP as a PnR Ball Handler, Pat is also really good. Any of us going to argue that?

[rilamann]

Maybe we could swing a 3way deal with Boston and Phoenix that lands us Jrue Holiday and Grayson Allen for Dame.

Holiday would provide a major improvement to our defense and in Grayson we get a guy who shot 56% from 3 in the month of January and is shooting 50% from 3 on the season.

We can even give up more picks if it is needed....genius move. Then fire Doc, and hire Bud.


Seriously, if if happened......you know the moment you do that Grayson's shooting falls off and Dame goes nuclear.

I was about to say, imagine if when training camp had opened we stood pat and the Celtics were the ones who had traded for Dame. We would have thought that Horst should be fired and that we were toast, but looking at it now we'd probably be the favorites to win the east.

But you're right, we have to be jinxed or something. If Dame had ended up in Boston he would probably be avg'g 32pts a game on 49% from the field.

And Grayson would be still be in Milwaukee bricking great looks.

It is really odd how guys who can shoot come to Milwaukee, and then can't shoot as well as they did. Then they leave Milwaukee and their shooting % improves.

[M-C-G]

Assuming Caruso/Smart trade possibilities are dead, gotta push hard for DFS and Royce. If you can get them for Bobby/Pat/2nds and maybe MarJon, just do it. Although I’d rather someone better on ball defensively than Royce.

What about Brook/Robin to the Nets or third team, with Claxton and DFS coming back to us?

MKE IN: Claxton, DFS, Davion Mitchell
MKE OUT: Brook, Robin, ?

BKN IN: Heurter, Javale McGee, ?
BKN OUT: DFS, Claxton

SAC IN: Brook, Robin, ?
SAC OUT: Heurter, Davion Mitchell, J McGee

Then Bucks are retooled;
PG: Dame, Cam, Mitchell
SG: Beas, Pat, Green
SF: Midds, Crowder, AJJ, Marjon
PF: Giannis, DFS, Livingston
C: Claxton, Portis

Then follow that up with some kind of deal to move a wing for a center, or if you really wanted route McGee to us and move out Cam Payne in the deal. I have no idea what kind of value these guys have around the league, but I feel like this gets us a lot closer to where we want to be.

[JayMKE]

yea we need some sort of rumor, anything

[Ron Swanson]

Some of us have been citing "Giannis as the P&R ball-handler" stats for years in an effort to debunk this weird criticism. This season he's literally the most efficient out of all qualified players (1.17 PPP). Don't expect that to last, but the idea that the Giannis-at-the-top-of-the-key possessions have ever been sub-optimal offense is very much a feelings-over-facts argument at this point. Same thing when we joke about Middleton "dribbling the ball off his foot". You're just hyper focusing on the 2-3 negative plays every game.

He’s not the most efficient, at least not according to how Synergy defines minimum qualifications.

He also turns it over 14.4% of the time as PnR Ball Handler. I mean if you’re looking at PPP as a PnR Ball Handler, Pat is also really good. Any of us going to argue that?

Comparing it to Pat and his 16 total pick and roll possessions all season? Really? And a 14% turnover rate by that play type is hardly a big deal. He's literally turning it over on those plays less than guys like Tatum, Butler, Harden, Jokic, and Lebron (lol).

[M-C-G]

Is Jaxon Hayes still a decent energy big? I liked him with NOP and he seems like he is only get a few minutes a game with the Lakers. Might be a cheap add for another versatile big.

[randy84]

Some of us have been citing "Giannis as the P&R ball-handler" stats for years in an effort to debunk this weird criticism. This season he's literally the most efficient out of all qualified players (1.17 PPP). Don't expect that to last, but the idea that the Giannis-at-the-top-of-the-key possessions have ever been sub-optimal offense is very much a feelings-over-facts argument at this point. Same thing when we joke about Middleton "dribbling the ball off his foot". You're just hyper focusing on the 2-3 negative plays every game.

Last year in the playoffs Giannis was 0.89 PPP, year before 0.98 PPP.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Is Jaxon Hayes still a decent energy big? I liked him with NOP and he seems like he is only get a few minutes a game with the Lakers. Might be a cheap add for another versatile big.

I'm more concerned if he is still beating his girlfriend...

[Ron Swanson]

Some of us have been citing "Giannis as the P&R ball-handler" stats for years in an effort to debunk this weird criticism. This season he's literally the most efficient out of all qualified players (1.17 PPP). Don't expect that to last, but the idea that the Giannis-at-the-top-of-the-key possessions have ever been sub-optimal offense is very much a feelings-over-facts argument at this point. Same thing when we joke about Middleton "dribbling the ball off his foot". You're just hyper focusing on the 2-3 negative plays every game.

Last year in the playoffs Giannis was 0.89 PPP, year before 0.98 PPP.

You guys are aware of how sample sizes work, right? And 0.98 PPP still put him in the 73rd percentile of efficiency...

[pifhluk23]

Well I'm glad we at least knocked on the door for Smart, can't blame Memphis for saying no.

[humanrefutation]

I feel like our biggest moves have come out without even the slightest leak - the trades for Jrue and Dame. Horst likes to keep things close to the vest.

[DingleJerry]

Some of us have been citing "Giannis as the P&R ball-handler" stats for years in an effort to debunk this weird criticism. This season he's literally the most efficient out of all qualified players (1.17 PPP). Don't expect that to last, but the idea that the Giannis-at-the-top-of-the-key possessions have ever been sub-optimal offense is very much a feelings-over-facts argument at this point. Same thing when we joke about Middleton "dribbling the ball off his foot". You're just hyper focusing on the 2-3 negative plays every game.

Last year in the playoffs Giannis was 0.89 PPP, year before 0.98 PPP.

You guys are aware of how sample sizes work, right? And 0.98 PPP still put him in the 73rd percentile of efficiency...

But those numbers support the eye test that it hasn't worked nearly as well in the playoffs and why trying to improve/tweak isn't a bad thing.

[Ron Swanson]

Last year in the playoffs Giannis was 0.89 PPP, year before 0.98 PPP.

You guys are aware of how sample sizes work, right? And 0.98 PPP still put him in the 73rd percentile of efficiency...

But those numbers support the eye test that it hasn't worked nearly as well in the playoffs and why trying to improve/tweak isn't a bad thing.

And I don't see anyone vehemently arguing against this, but the idea that it's ever been an inefficient offensive possession or system is nonsense. The numbers even back up that we don't go to it as much in the playoffs (I mean, maybe we should?). Also doesn't seem like a coincidence that he left out the 2021 playoff numbers (1.06 PPP, 89th percentile), aka the largest playoff sample we have...

[M-C-G]

Is Jaxon Hayes still a decent energy big? I liked him with NOP and he seems like he is only get a few minutes a game with the Lakers. Might be a cheap add for another versatile big.

I'm more concerned if he is still beating his girlfriend...

Not aware of his issues, but if not him, who is another similar player that shouldn't break the bank to get?

[DingleJerry]

You guys are aware of how sample sizes work, right? And 0.98 PPP still put him in the 73rd percentile of efficiency...

But those numbers support the eye test that it hasn't worked nearly as well in the playoffs and why trying to improve/tweak isn't a bad thing.

And I don't see anyone vehemently arguing against this, but the idea that it's ever been an inefficient offensive possession or system is nonsense. The numbers even back up that we don't go to it as much in the playoffs (I mean, maybe we should?). Also doesn't seem like a coincidence that he left out the 2021 playoff numbers (1.06 PPP, 89th percentile), aka the largest playoff sample we have...

Yup. I suppose another note worth mentioning on the topic would be (at least for me) that my nitpick or criticism is moreso on the 5 out, Giannis just goes vs a set D in front of him. If there is PnR involved at least something is happening, motion, etc. I'd be trying to tweak those just him solo into 3 guys out of the offense for better starting points. Which would include Giannis as the handler in PnR, and could include with Dame as the screener. I'd also try to do as few of Brook/Bobby to Giannis screens where they can so easily just switch it

[randy84]

Some of us have been citing "Giannis as the P&R ball-handler" stats for years in an effort to debunk this weird criticism. This season he's literally the most efficient out of all qualified players (1.17 PPP). Don't expect that to last, but the idea that the Giannis-at-the-top-of-the-key possessions have ever been sub-optimal offense is very much a feelings-over-facts argument at this point. Same thing when we joke about Middleton "dribbling the ball off his foot". You're just hyper focusing on the 2-3 negative plays every game.

Last year in the playoffs Giannis was 0.89 PPP, year before 0.98 PPP.

You guys are aware of how sample sizes work, right? And 0.98 PPP still put him in the 73rd percentile of efficiency...

I think what people are trying to point out is that what works in the regular season may not work as well in the post season.

[randy84]

I feel like our biggest moves have come out without even the slightest leak - the trades for Jrue and Dame. Horst likes to keep things close to the vest.

Might be harder to get deals done when you have thrown 5 second rd. picks for Crowder and multiple first round picks for Jrue and Dame and you haven't drafted players that other teams would be interested in.

[emunney]

Some of us have been citing "Giannis as the P&R ball-handler" stats for years in an effort to debunk this weird criticism. This season he's literally the most efficient out of all qualified players (1.17 PPP). Don't expect that to last, but the idea that the Giannis-at-the-top-of-the-key possessions have ever been sub-optimal offense is very much a feelings-over-facts argument at this point. Same thing when we joke about Middleton "dribbling the ball off his foot". You're just hyper focusing on the 2-3 negative plays every game.

Last year in the playoffs Giannis was 0.89 PPP, year before 0.98 PPP.

You guys are aware of how sample sizes work, right? And 0.98 PPP still put him in the 73rd percentile of efficiency...

Also every action is less effective in the playoffs because you're playing against better defenses who are allowed to be more physical.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

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I feel the legend of Jrue Holiday made us forget all the stupid stuff he did. He was better overall and better in interviews, but man did he have some Bledsoe like screw-ups

[paulpressey25]

Bobby, Pat, MarJon and the two 2nds we have for Tyus and Gafford. Let WA figure out if they want to re-route Bobby or Pat somewhere.

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