UTA/OKC - Olynyk/THT - Bertans

[bkohler]

This is wayyyy to good for OKC. I know this draft sucks but it's unlikely you won't find a couple of future all stars in the top 10. Gettind rid of Olynyk on top of that (who has a pretty decent value IMO) is crazy.

I think what's forgotten is that the Jazz are likely conveying a lottery pick from this either way. If not this year, it's a gamble, then potentially in the next few years. Projecting a continued rise in the standings for Utah seems like quite the stretch when there's not a crazy influx of young talent and a good chance that the status quo (which is hovering around the lottery) is what happens for the next few years.

[Dadouv47]

This is wayyyy to good for OKC. I know this draft sucks but it's unlikely you won't find a couple of future all stars in the top 10. Gettind rid of Olynyk on top of that (who has a pretty decent value IMO) is crazy.

I think what's forgotten is that the Jazz are likely conveying a lottery pick from this either way. If not this year, it's a gamble, then potentially in the next few years. Projecting a continued rise in the standings for Utah seems like quite the stretch when there's not a crazy influx of young talent and a good chance that the status quo (which is hovering around the lottery) is what happens for the next few years.

that would be the case with no assets but you guys can afford any good player on the market so it's up to the FO to develop young guys or improve the team.

I don't really get why Utah rookies aren't playing more tbh

[BlazersBroncos]

Very interesting trade re the FRP protections. I actually really like it.

Bertans + 2024 HOU SRP + 2025 PHI SRP + 2026 GSW SRP for Olynyk + Reduction of FRP PROT from Top-10 to Top-4

UTA basically guarantees the pick goes this year in a historically bad draft - OKC ends up w/ a big backup upgrade and a pick of increased value in a follow up trade.

[bkohler]

This is wayyyy to good for OKC. I know this draft sucks but it's unlikely you won't find a couple of future all stars in the top 10. Gettind rid of Olynyk on top of that (who has a pretty decent value IMO) is crazy.

I think what's forgotten is that the Jazz are likely conveying a lottery pick from this either way. If not this year, it's a gamble, then potentially in the next few years. Projecting a continued rise in the standings for Utah seems like quite the stretch when there's not a crazy influx of young talent and a good chance that the status quo (which is hovering around the lottery) is what happens for the next few years.

that would be the case with no assets but you guys can afford any good player on the market so it's up to the FO to develop young guys or improve the team.

I don't really get why Utah rookies aren't playing more tbh

Because the FO wants to make sure the 24 pick conveys! It's been the stated goal for the team since this offseason, they want to be competitive enough to get rid of the pick debt. This could unlock the chance for the team to play or trade other players without worrying about the pick conveying.

[Dadouv47]

I think what's forgotten is that the Jazz are likely conveying a lottery pick from this either way. If not this year, it's a gamble, then potentially in the next few years. Projecting a continued rise in the standings for Utah seems like quite the stretch when there's not a crazy influx of young talent and a good chance that the status quo (which is hovering around the lottery) is what happens for the next few years.

that would be the case with no assets but you guys can afford any good player on the market so it's up to the FO to develop young guys or improve the team.

I don't really get why Utah rookies aren't playing more tbh

Because the FO wants to make sure the 24 pick conveys! It's been the stated goal for the team since this offseason, they want to be competitive enough to get rid of the pick debt. This could unlock the chance for the team to play or trade other players without worrying about the pick conveying.

makes no sense to me. You usually get a higher chance at a high pick (that won't convey for OKC) if your rookies are playing.

[bkohler]

that would be the case with no assets but you guys can afford any good player on the market so it's up to the FO to develop young guys or improve the team.

I don't really get why Utah rookies aren't playing more tbh

Because the FO wants to make sure the 24 pick conveys! It's been the stated goal for the team since this offseason, they want to be competitive enough to get rid of the pick debt. This could unlock the chance for the team to play or trade other players without worrying about the pick conveying.

makes no sense to me. You usually get a higher chance at a high pick (that won't convey for OKC) if your rookies are playing.

It would make much more sense if they just went all out and tanked but we're committed to the rebuild from the middle model where we have a pretty decent chance of keeping our pick this year only to give it to you next year or in 2026.

Edit: Personally I would have been tanking and trying to make sure that pick never conveys...

[sip]

Wow this is a beyond stupid trade idea for the jazz. If we finish in the top 10 then we 100% want to keep our pick because we have a lack of talent and while this draft may lack stars players it is filled with high level role player prospects. Such a stupid idea.

Keeping the 25 and 26 picks are much more important than keeping the 24 pick. Were already doing all we can to make sure it’s conveyed in what would likely be the 12-15 spot… what makes it so bad to try and convey it if we fall to say 8-10?

You really shouldn't try and defend your trade. It is beyond stupid. We aren't doing all we can to make sure it conveys and odds are we probably move Olynyk and Clarkson at the deadline to focus on youth and increase the likelihood of keeping the pick. This draft lacks star power when it comes to role players it's as good as most drafts and we can definitely use a bunch of the guys projected in the top 20.

[MoneyTalks41890]

The version of this that does make sense to me is changing the 1st to top 8 prot then 2 2nds. OKC gets a tiny more upside this year; Utah makes sure it clears this year. Both taking some risk and upside.

[bkohler]

Wow this is a beyond stupid trade idea for the jazz. If we finish in the top 10 then we 100% want to keep our pick because we have a lack of talent and while this draft may lack stars players it is filled with high level role player prospects. Such a stupid idea.

Keeping the 25 and 26 picks are much more important than keeping the 24 pick. Were already doing all we can to make sure it’s conveyed in what would likely be the 12-15 spot… what makes it so bad to try and convey it if we fall to say 8-10?

You really shouldn't try and defend your trade. It is beyond stupid. We aren't doing all we can to make sure it conveys and odds are we probably move Olynyk and Clarkson at the deadline to focus on youth and increase the likelihood of keeping the pick. This draft lacks star power when it comes to role players it's as good as most drafts and we can definitely use a bunch of the guys projected in the top 20.

We'll just have to agree to disagree here. I get that it's not everyone's cup of tea.