Chi-NY-Det

[pipfan]

Bulls send Lavine and JCarter to Det and Drummond to NY
Bulls get Fournier (buyout), Wiseman, Sasser, KHayes and the better of the Dallas/NY '24 1st

Det sends Bogs to NY and Wiseman, Sasser, Hayes to Chi
Det gets Lavine and JCarter

NY sends Fournier and the better of their pick/Dal pick this year
NY gets Bogs and Drummond

NY REALLY helps their team this year. Bogs/Drummond helps the bench a ton, and Bogs can come back next year

Det needs talent badly-Lavine's a big deal, but he can score efficiently and help Cade a lot. Carter is a decent back up PG. Ivey looks like a potential 3rd guard who could work with Cade or Lavine-plenty of minutes to go around

Chi needs to move on. This clears a lot of cap space for the summer. They do this along with DDR to Philly (Covington, MMorris, '26 1st).
CWhite/Ayo/Sasser
Caruso/Ayo/Terry
PWill/Terry/Craig
Covington/Craig/MMorris
Vuc/Wiseman/MMorris

Maybe Wiseman just needs more time? This lineup, plus 2 more future 1sts and lots of cap space, looks better long term than our Play-in roster now

[Mr Peanut]

Even though I think we'd be better off staying away from LaVine, I could live with us getting him for this amount of value. Wiseman and Hayes are both out of our rotation now and have been giant failures. Bogey is good but is aging and we need to move him for value at some point. The only piece I'd care about is Sasser but I think his ceiling is a good sixth man and he's not untouchable.

Jevon Carter would be surplus to requirements on our roster and cuts into our cap space this summer, so if he could be re-routed to a team for an expiring that would be ideal.

[pipfan]

Carter seems like a good guy-might help the kids in Detroit.
Lavine would make Cade look better. Det would add a top 5 pick this summer, and still have some cap space to help the bench

[vege]

Lavine would make Cade look better.

LaVine doesn't make anyone look better. He is a selfish and bad player.

Detroit would have Cade/LaVine, Morris/Ivey ahead of Carter. He would be dead cap space.

And no. Wiseman does not need more minutes, he is just garbage, he doesn't even belong in the GLeague.

[cgf]

Love Drummond's pirate look this season, but he's the guy in the Bulls rotation that I might be least interested in for the knicks lol. Well him or Ayo, because Ayo's just too raw.

PWill, Coby, or Caruso would be great. DeRozan or Lavine could be huge if they embraced the RJ role of clear 3rd option, who runs the 2nd unit & doesn't always close.

I even like Carter as a replacement for Flynn as a veteran PG, I wouldn't hate having to turn to if Deuce just implodes in the playoffs and I think Thibs could do something with Terry, and if Craig ever gets healthy he seems like he'd fit right in.

But Drummond's just not going to help us against good teams, and we can get by with Sims & Achiuwa against the bad teams until our bigs heal up.


With Randle's return seeming more imminent than first feared, I'm not sure about the Bogey fit. I know neither of our stars are good defenders, but neither are huge liabilities either...Bogey is. So I honestly think our bench would benefit more from someone like Bruce Brown than Bojan Bogdanovic...though I'd still love to add Bogdan to the rotation...

[Knickfan1982]

Bulls send Lavine and JCarter to Det and Drummond to NY
Bulls get Fournier (buyout), Wiseman, Sasser, KHayes and the better of the Dallas/NY '24 1st

Det sends Bogs to NY and Wiseman, Sasser, Hayes to Chi
Det gets Lavine and JCarter

NY sends Fournier and the better of their pick/Dal pick this year
NY gets Bogs and Drummond

NY REALLY helps their team this year. Bogs/Drummond helps the bench a ton, and Bogs can come back next year

Det needs talent badly-Lavine's a big deal, but he can score efficiently and help Cade a lot. Carter is a decent back up PG. Ivey looks like a potential 3rd guard who could work with Cade or Lavine-plenty of minutes to go around

Chi needs to move on. This clears a lot of cap space for the summer. They do this along with DDR to Philly (Covington, MMorris, '26 1st).
CWhite/Ayo/Sasser
Caruso/Ayo/Terry
PWill/Terry/Craig
Covington/Craig/MMorris
Vuc/Wiseman/MMorris

Maybe Wiseman just needs more time? This lineup, plus 2 more future 1sts and lots of cap space, looks better long term than our Play-in roster now

No interest in sacrificing a first for someone who is a weak defender.

[Kalamazoo317]

What if we cut out NY and did Sasser, Hayes, Harris, Wiseman, 2nd rounder for Lavine, Drummond?

[vege]

What if we cut out NY and did Sasser, Hayes, Harris, Wiseman, 2nd rounder for Lavine, Drummond?

Why would you want LaVine. And why would you trade Sasser. Check Sasser numbers over the last 10 games. Sasser is good, LaVine is garbage.

[theBigLip]

What if we cut out NY and did Sasser, Hayes, Harris, Wiseman, 2nd rounder for Lavine, Drummond?

Why would you want LaVine. And why would you trade Sasser. Check Sasser numbers over the last 10 games. Sasser is good, LaVine is garbage.

Agreed. We don’t want LaVine, but we really don’t want that contract.

[theBigLip]

Chicago should just be eliminated. Bogs to NY, and Fournier and draft compensation to Detroit.

[cgf]

CHI in: Ivey + Kuzma + Harris (expiring) + Burks/Morris (expiring)
CHI out: Caruso + Lavine + Lonzo + POR FRP

DET: Lavine (+ DET FRP?)
DET: Ivey + Harris (expiring) + Burks/Morris (expiring)

NYK: Caruso + Shamet (non-guaranteed after this season)
NYK: Fournier + 24 NYK/WSH FRP (+ DET FRP?)

WSH: Lonzo + Fournier + 24 NYK/WSH FRP + POR FRP
WSH: Kuzma + Shamet (non-guaranteed after this season)


- Bulls flip AC, ZL & that POR FRP into a legit starting PF on a team friendly contract, a dynamic young guard prospect who could be part of a future with Coby & Pat...while also contributing now in a 6th man role...and they clear up a bunch of future money for DDR & PW's new contracts.

- Detroit touches the hot stove to try and avoid making history without burning themselves too badly, just giving up Ivey & expirings to get Zach...not tying up any more of their future picks by trying to resolve their obligation to us.

- We swoop for AC to complete our rotation with a guy that can structure the offense when Brunson sits, mentor McBride, and give us the option to close with 3 All-defensive team caliber guys around Brundle...Anunoby, Caruso, & Robinson. Even if it cost us a pick this year & the DET FRP, I think it'd be worth it, despite AC not being much of a scorer.

- Wiz start getting those FRPs that ownership supposedly wants.


CHI
White | Ivey | Carter
DeRozan | Dosunmu | Burks
Williams | Terry | Craig
Kuzma
Vucevic | Drummond

DET
Cunningham | Morris | Sasser
Lavine | Hayes
Thompson | Bogdanovic | Knox
Stewart | Gallinari
Duren | Muscala | Wiseman

NYK
Brunson | Caruso | McBride
DiVincenzo | Grimes | Shamet
Anunoby | Hart | *Flynn-trade*
Randle | Achiuwa
Hartenstein/Robinson | Sims

WSH
Jones | Wright | Lonzo
Poole | Davis | Fournier
Coulibaly | Kispert
Avdijaj | Baldwin
Gafford | Bagley

+ 24 NYK/WSH FRP
+ POR FRP (1-14 through 2028)

[Kalamazoo317]

People don't want to give up Sasser for Lavine and you think they're going to go for Ivey + Burks/Morris for Lavine? lol

[cgf]

People don't want to give up Sasser for Lavine and you think they're going to go for Ivey + Burks/Morris for Lavine? lol

Your FO is just so weird I don't know how to react to any news about them.

Like logically they should have no interest in Lavine right now despite your record and they should've sold high on Bojan last year. And yet, it sounds like Bogey isn't going anywhere, while your FO's interest in Zach could be very real...which could block Ivey's development the way White's growth was slowed behind Zach & DeMar.

Throw in how delusional & stubborn Chicago's FO is, and I wouldn't be shocked at all to read about an Ivey + expirings for Lavine trade before the deadline, crazy as that sounds...though I suspect you guys would insist on getting your pick back to free yourselves up for another win-now move in the summer.

Might belong in more of a "hot take" thread, but you guys & the Bulls do some really weird things, so the two of you working together on a trade is a scary combination that I can't help thinking we'd be somehow involved in since we control your pick for so long. Especially since I struggle to think of a Lavine trade that would make sense for both of you.

[theBigLip]

People don't want to give up Sasser for Lavine and you think they're going to go for Ivey + Burks/Morris for Lavine? lol

Your FO is just so weird I don't know how to react to any news about them.

Like logically they should have no interest in Lavine right now despite your record and they should've sold high on Bojan last year. And yet, it sounds like Bogey isn't going anywhere, while your FO's interest in Zach could be very real...which could block Ivey's development the way White's growth was slowed behind Zach & DeMar.

Throw in how delusional & stubborn Chicago's FO is, and I wouldn't be shocked at all to read about an Ivey + expirings for Lavine trade before the deadline, crazy as that sounds...though I suspect you guys would insist on getting your pick back to free yourselves up for another win-now move in the summer.

Might belong in more of a "hot take" thread, but you guys & the Bulls do some really weird things, so the two of you working together on a trade is a scary combination that I can't help thinking we'd be somehow involved in since we control your pick for so long. Especially since I struggle to think of a Lavine trade that would make sense for both of you.

I’m not sure Weaver has been that “weird”. He’s certainly had horrible luck in the draft lottery but that’s not “weird”. He did make some moves and got Duren at#13. Most everyone missed on Halliburton, but one could look back at any draft and there are always misses. And Weaver has been patient- kicking our cap space out a year instead of using it on mediocre vets and taking away our flexibility. Not all Pistons posters will agree with me on all that, but it’s my opinion.

That being said, I don’t think LaVine has any value with that contract. He’s not a #1 option on a good team, maybe not even #2. There is no market for him. If you want to move him, you’re going to have to attach assets, and if you don’t, he’s still going to be on your roster after Feb 8. To think that you can get Ivey for him is just ridiculous.

[Snakebites]

People don't want to give up Sasser for Lavine and you think they're going to go for Ivey + Burks/Morris for Lavine? lol

Your FO is just so weird I don't know how to react to any news about them.

Like logically they should have no interest in Lavine right now despite your record and they should've sold high on Bojan last year. And yet, it sounds like Bogey isn't going anywhere, while your FO's interest in Zach could be very real...which could block Ivey's development the way White's growth was slowed behind Zach & DeMar.

Throw in how delusional & stubborn Chicago's FO is, and I wouldn't be shocked at all to read about an Ivey + expirings for Lavine trade before the deadline, crazy as that sounds...though I suspect you guys would insist on getting your pick back to free yourselves up for another win-now move in the summer.

Might belong in more of a "hot take" thread, but you guys & the Bulls do some really weird things, so the two of you working together on a trade is a scary combination that I can't help thinking we'd be somehow involved in since we control your pick for so long. Especially since I struggle to think of a Lavine trade that would make sense for both of you.

I mean sure, if you wanna take the “hey your front office is stupid and maybe they’ll accept this bad trade” line of thinking go right on ahead, but if that’s your basis for thinking it could happen what’s the point of discussing it with us?

We’re only going to look it at from a “does it improve our situation” perspective.

[cgf]

People don't want to give up Sasser for Lavine and you think they're going to go for Ivey + Burks/Morris for Lavine? lol

Your FO is just so weird I don't know how to react to any news about them.

Like logically they should have no interest in Lavine right now despite your record and they should've sold high on Bojan last year. And yet, it sounds like Bogey isn't going anywhere, while your FO's interest in Zach could be very real...which could block Ivey's development the way White's growth was slowed behind Zach & DeMar.

Throw in how delusional & stubborn Chicago's FO is, and I wouldn't be shocked at all to read about an Ivey + expirings for Lavine trade before the deadline, crazy as that sounds...though I suspect you guys would insist on getting your pick back to free yourselves up for another win-now move in the summer.

Might belong in more of a "hot take" thread, but you guys & the Bulls do some really weird things, so the two of you working together on a trade is a scary combination that I can't help thinking we'd be somehow involved in since we control your pick for so long. Especially since I struggle to think of a Lavine trade that would make sense for both of you.

I’m not sure Weaver has been that “weird”. He’s certainly had horrible luck in the draft lottery but that’s not “weird”. He did make some moves and got Duren at#13. Most everyone missed on Halliburton, but one could look back at any draft and there are always misses. And Weaver has been patient- kicking our cap space out a year instead of using it on mediocre vets and taking away our flexibility. Not all Pistons posters will agree with me on all that, but it’s my opinion.

That being said, I don’t think LaVine has any value with that contract. He’s not a #1 option on a good team, maybe not even #2. There is no market for him. If you want to move him, you’re going to have to attach assets, and if you don’t, he’s still going to be on your roster after Feb 8. To think that you can get Ivey for him is just ridiculous.

Creating cap space looses some its luster when you're paying to dump guys you yourself paid, after having dumped the previous guys you paid. Not selling high on Bojan in the middle of a rebuild doesn't help my confidence in Weaver having a better feel for where his team is than AK does in Chicago, either.

Especially when we've heard reports this season about him scrambling to improve the team sooner, rather than later, instead of just taking their lumps and riding it out like my Colorado Avalanche did in 2017, when our cup winning core set a non-expansion team record for futility only to end up with the 4th overall pick in a supposed "2 man draft" after lottery night.

Which is why the Lavine-Detroit stuff is so weird to me. Everything the Bulls are putting out is that they don't want to move him since they're pushing for that play-in spot and he helps them win games. So if you guys seriously engaged them about him, and weren't just doing your diligence about getting him for expirings, then you must be offering something real for him.

And since your picks are tied up for so long because of the one we have, I'm not sure what you could be offering them other than one of your kids that you don't think would thrive on a Cunningham-Lavine team

[theBigLip]

Your FO is just so weird I don't know how to react to any news about them.

Like logically they should have no interest in Lavine right now despite your record and they should've sold high on Bojan last year. And yet, it sounds like Bogey isn't going anywhere, while your FO's interest in Zach could be very real...which could block Ivey's development the way White's growth was slowed behind Zach & DeMar.

Throw in how delusional & stubborn Chicago's FO is, and I wouldn't be shocked at all to read about an Ivey + expirings for Lavine trade before the deadline, crazy as that sounds...though I suspect you guys would insist on getting your pick back to free yourselves up for another win-now move in the summer.

Might belong in more of a "hot take" thread, but you guys & the Bulls do some really weird things, so the two of you working together on a trade is a scary combination that I can't help thinking we'd be somehow involved in since we control your pick for so long. Especially since I struggle to think of a Lavine trade that would make sense for both of you.

I’m not sure Weaver has been that “weird”. He’s certainly had horrible luck in the draft lottery but that’s not “weird”. He did make some moves and got Duren at#13. Most everyone missed on Halliburton, but one could look back at any draft and there are always misses. And Weaver has been patient- kicking our cap space out a year instead of using it on mediocre vets and taking away our flexibility. Not all Pistons posters will agree with me on all that, but it’s my opinion.

That being said, I don’t think LaVine has any value with that contract. He’s not a #1 option on a good team, maybe not even #2. There is no market for him. If you want to move him, you’re going to have to attach assets, and if you don’t, he’s still going to be on your roster after Feb 8. To think that you can get Ivey for him is just ridiculous.

Creating cap space looses some its luster when you're paying to dump guys you yourself paid, after having dumped the previous guys you paid. Not selling high on Bojan in the middle of a rebuild doesn't help my confidence in Weaver having a better feel for where his team is than AK does in Chicago, either.

Especially when we've heard reports this season about him scrambling to improve the team sooner, rather than later, instead of just taking their lumps and riding it out like my Colorado Avalanche did in 2017, when our cup winning core set a non-expansion team record for futility only to end up with the 4th overall pick in a supposed "2 man draft" after lottery night.

Which is why the Lavine-Detroit stuff is so weird to me. Everything the Bulls are putting out is that they don't want to move him since they're pushing for that play-in spot and he helps them win games. So if you guys seriously engaged them about him, and weren't just doing your diligence about getting him for expirings, then you must be offering something real for him.

And since your picks are tied up for so long because of the one we have, I'm not sure what you could be offering them other than one of your kids that you don't think would thrive on a Cunningham-Lavine team

Seems to be a moot point. LaVine is having season ending surgery.

[cgf]

People don't want to give up Sasser for Lavine and you think they're going to go for Ivey + Burks/Morris for Lavine? lol

Your FO is just so weird I don't know how to react to any news about them.

Like logically they should have no interest in Lavine right now despite your record and they should've sold high on Bojan last year. And yet, it sounds like Bogey isn't going anywhere, while your FO's interest in Zach could be very real...which could block Ivey's development the way White's growth was slowed behind Zach & DeMar.

Throw in how delusional & stubborn Chicago's FO is, and I wouldn't be shocked at all to read about an Ivey + expirings for Lavine trade before the deadline, crazy as that sounds...though I suspect you guys would insist on getting your pick back to free yourselves up for another win-now move in the summer.

Might belong in more of a "hot take" thread, but you guys & the Bulls do some really weird things, so the two of you working together on a trade is a scary combination that I can't help thinking we'd be somehow involved in since we control your pick for so long. Especially since I struggle to think of a Lavine trade that would make sense for both of you.

I mean sure, if you wanna take the “hey your front office is stupid and maybe they’ll accept this bad trade” line of thinking go right on ahead, but if that’s your basis for thinking it could happen what’s the point of discussing it with us?

We’re only going to look it at from a “does it improve our situation” perspective.

I'm a knicks fan who lives in Chicago and is regularly baffled by what some of the midwestern teams around me do. So I'm approaching it from the perspective of thinking that both yours and the Bulls FOs do things that don't make sense to me...because that's the only way I can make any sense of you guys not having sold high on Bojan last year or talking about Lavine at all right now lol.

Given the pressure AK is under to stay competitive without admitting his mistakes, he can't give Lavine away for expirings alone...but that's the only context in which you guys acquiring him makes any sense IMO. So either those talks lasted all of 15 seconds for them to say "no we want assets for him" or your FO sees things very differently from me and is as high on Lavine as the Bulls are.


Mind you I think Lavine is under-rated as a player, he just has to be in the right situation and one of the top best players on a bad to mediocre team is not the right situation.

[cgf]

I’m not sure Weaver has been that “weird”. He’s certainly had horrible luck in the draft lottery but that’s not “weird”. He did make some moves and got Duren at#13. Most everyone missed on Halliburton, but one could look back at any draft and there are always misses. And Weaver has been patient- kicking our cap space out a year instead of using it on mediocre vets and taking away our flexibility. Not all Pistons posters will agree with me on all that, but it’s my opinion.

That being said, I don’t think LaVine has any value with that contract. He’s not a #1 option on a good team, maybe not even #2. There is no market for him. If you want to move him, you’re going to have to attach assets, and if you don’t, he’s still going to be on your roster after Feb 8. To think that you can get Ivey for him is just ridiculous.

Creating cap space looses some its luster when you're paying to dump guys you yourself paid, after having dumped the previous guys you paid. Not selling high on Bojan in the middle of a rebuild doesn't help my confidence in Weaver having a better feel for where his team is than AK does in Chicago, either.

Especially when we've heard reports this season about him scrambling to improve the team sooner, rather than later, instead of just taking their lumps and riding it out like my Colorado Avalanche did in 2017, when our cup winning core set a non-expansion team record for futility only to end up with the 4th overall pick in a supposed "2 man draft" after lottery night.

Which is why the Lavine-Detroit stuff is so weird to me. Everything the Bulls are putting out is that they don't want to move him since they're pushing for that play-in spot and he helps them win games. So if you guys seriously engaged them about him, and weren't just doing your diligence about getting him for expirings, then you must be offering something real for him.

And since your picks are tied up for so long because of the one we have, I'm not sure what you could be offering them other than one of your kids that you don't think would thrive on a Cunningham-Lavine team

Seems to be a moot point. LaVine is having season ending surgery.

Well that settles that then

Glad to hear it though because I still like a lot of your kids and I get all too well how ownership pressure can f*** teams up...trust me do I know (knicks fan)...so I hope yours doesn't push your FO into doing anything rash with your kids.

[Snakebites]

Best wishes to Zach.

That would seem to end all trade speculation, at least until he starts playing again next year.