Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[KGdaBom]

Had kinda of a weird trade idea, I am not sure either team would do it, but thought I would post it anyway. Feedback is appreciated (don’t worry if it is negative.)

Wolves out: Naz, Kyle, Miller
Wolves in: Claxton, DFS, Cam Thomas

Why for the Nets: Naz is the best player in the deal. He is a legit starting C on a great contract. He allows them the floor space Claxton doesn’t and his shot blocking/rim protecting is improving. He fits their identity. Kyle helps replace the defense they lose in DFS and adds size. They should have the money to resign him. Miller is perhaps more raw than Cam Thomas but is bigger, and has more potential upside.

Why for the Wolves
Cam Thomas is more win now than Miller and fits a need for more bench shooting. Claxton can do a lot of what Rudy does when Rudy is on the bench, and Claxton could be resigned at the deadline and moved for value next year if he cannot adjust to our style of big ball. The biggest risk is if KAT goes down I don’t see Claxton next to Rudy. We could move Claxton in the initial trade (3 team,) but then we would need to use his money to replace Naz. Finally, DFS is a great Kyle replacement and exactly what we need to floor space.

Meanwhile we try and get Monte Morris for TBJ, Shake, and Minott.

I love Claxton. He is Rudy 2.0. However is he a good fit for us? Naz is NOT as good as Claxton, but might be a better fit for us. What kind of contract does Claxton have? I'm guessing at least as much as Naz and Kyle combined. Cam Thomas is a very one dimensional scoring guard. However he can put up a point a minute in his sleep. Interesting trade. I doubt it would happen.

[winforlose]

Had kinda of a weird trade idea, I am not sure either team would do it, but thought I would post it anyway. Feedback is appreciated (don’t worry if it is negative.)

Wolves out: Naz, Kyle, Miller
Wolves in: Claxton, DFS, Cam Thomas

Why for the Nets: Naz is the best player in the deal. He is a legit starting C on a great contract. He allows them the floor space Claxton doesn’t and his shot blocking/rim protecting is improving. He fits their identity. Kyle helps replace the defense they lose in DFS and adds size. They should have the money to resign him. Miller is perhaps more raw than Cam Thomas but is bigger, and has more potential upside.

Why for the Wolves
Cam Thomas is more win now than Miller and fits a need for more bench shooting. Claxton can do a lot of what Rudy does when Rudy is on the bench, and Claxton could be resigned at the deadline and moved for value next year if he cannot adjust to our style of big ball. The biggest risk is if KAT goes down I don’t see Claxton next to Rudy. We could move Claxton in the initial trade (3 team,) but then we would need to use his money to replace Naz. Finally, DFS is a great Kyle replacement and exactly what we need to floor space.

Meanwhile we try and get Monte Morris for TBJ, Shake, and Minott.

I love Claxton. He is Rudy 2.0. However is he a good fit for us? Naz is NOT as good as Claxton, but might be a better fit for us. What kind of contract does Claxton have? I'm guessing at least as much as Naz and Kyle combined. Cam Thomas is a very one dimensional scoring guard. However he can put up a point a minute in his sleep. Interesting trade. I doubt it would happen.

Claxton is a cheap expiring. He will want real money, which is why we probably reroute him. As for him being better than Naz, he is better and some things, but Naz is probably a better fit for the Nets. He helps with their spacing and gives them another offensive weapon. Also Naz contract is a great value. Miller is younger than Thomas and has more potential to develop, whereas Thomas is closer to showing what he really is. But the Nets don’t need a win now SG when they are in the middle of losing year. They could use a high potential needs minutes PF. DFS for Kyle is just kind of a balance the trade and teams swap. I don’t think they keep Kyle or we keep Claxton so it functionally is Miller and Naz for Thomas and DFS, which team reselling the final asset for their best return.

[KGdaBom]

Had kinda of a weird trade idea, I am not sure either team would do it, but thought I would post it anyway. Feedback is appreciated (don’t worry if it is negative.)

Wolves out: Naz, Kyle, Miller
Wolves in: Claxton, DFS, Cam Thomas

Why for the Nets: Naz is the best player in the deal. He is a legit starting C on a great contract. He allows them the floor space Claxton doesn’t and his shot blocking/rim protecting is improving. He fits their identity. Kyle helps replace the defense they lose in DFS and adds size. They should have the money to resign him. Miller is perhaps more raw than Cam Thomas but is bigger, and has more potential upside.

Why for the Wolves
Cam Thomas is more win now than Miller and fits a need for more bench shooting. Claxton can do a lot of what Rudy does when Rudy is on the bench, and Claxton could be resigned at the deadline and moved for value next year if he cannot adjust to our style of big ball. The biggest risk is if KAT goes down I don’t see Claxton next to Rudy. We could move Claxton in the initial trade (3 team,) but then we would need to use his money to replace Naz. Finally, DFS is a great Kyle replacement and exactly what we need to floor space.

Meanwhile we try and get Monte Morris for TBJ, Shake, and Minott.

I love Claxton. He is Rudy 2.0. However is he a good fit for us? Naz is NOT as good as Claxton, but might be a better fit for us. What kind of contract does Claxton have? I'm guessing at least as much as Naz and Kyle combined. Cam Thomas is a very one dimensional scoring guard. However he can put up a point a minute in his sleep. Interesting trade. I doubt it would happen.

Claxton is a cheap expiring. He will want real money, which is why we probably reroute him. As for him being better than Naz, he is better and some things, but Naz is probably a better fit for the Nets. He helps with their spacing and gives them another offensive weapon. Also Naz contract is a great value. Miller is younger than Thomas and has more potential to develop, whereas Thomas is closer to showing what he really is. But the Nets don’t need a win now SG when they are in the middle of losing year. They could use a high potential needs minutes PF. DFS for Kyle is just kind of a balance the trade and teams swap. I don’t think they keep Kyle or we keep Claxton so it functionally is Miller and Naz for Thomas and DFS, which team reselling the final asset for their best return.

If we're not going to keep Claxton than one of Naz or Miller shouldn't be in that trade.

[winforlose]

I love Claxton. He is Rudy 2.0. However is he a good fit for us? Naz is NOT as good as Claxton, but might be a better fit for us. What kind of contract does Claxton have? I'm guessing at least as much as Naz and Kyle combined. Cam Thomas is a very one dimensional scoring guard. However he can put up a point a minute in his sleep. Interesting trade. I doubt it would happen.

Claxton is a cheap expiring. He will want real money, which is why we probably reroute him. As for him being better than Naz, he is better and some things, but Naz is probably a better fit for the Nets. He helps with their spacing and gives them another offensive weapon. Also Naz contract is a great value. Miller is younger than Thomas and has more potential to develop, whereas Thomas is closer to showing what he really is. But the Nets don’t need a win now SG when they are in the middle of losing year. They could use a high potential needs minutes PF. DFS for Kyle is just kind of a balance the trade and teams swap. I don’t think they keep Kyle or we keep Claxton so it functionally is Miller and Naz for Thomas and DFS, which team reselling the final asset for their best return.

If we're not going to keep Claxton than one of Naz or Miller shouldn't be in that trade.

Right which is why this isn’t quite finished. It is more like a rough draft. One thought I had was move Claxton to the Hornets for PJ Washington and maybe a protected first or a couple seconds. Or maybe move Claxton to the Rockets for Eason if they would do it. I just don’t think Claxton could play with Rudy, but I do think Claxton could bring us a big who can.

[KGdaBom]

Claxton is a cheap expiring. He will want real money, which is why we probably reroute him. As for him being better than Naz, he is better and some things, but Naz is probably a better fit for the Nets. He helps with their spacing and gives them another offensive weapon. Also Naz contract is a great value. Miller is younger than Thomas and has more potential to develop, whereas Thomas is closer to showing what he really is. But the Nets don’t need a win now SG when they are in the middle of losing year. They could use a high potential needs minutes PF. DFS for Kyle is just kind of a balance the trade and teams swap. I don’t think they keep Kyle or we keep Claxton so it functionally is Miller and Naz for Thomas and DFS, which team reselling the final asset for their best return.

If we're not going to keep Claxton than one of Naz or Miller shouldn't be in that trade.

Right which is why this isn’t quite finished. It is more like a rough draft. One thought I had was move Claxton to the Hornets for PJ Washington and maybe a protected first or a couple seconds. Or maybe move Claxton to the Rockets for Eason if they would do it. I just don’t think Claxton could play with Rudy, but I do think Claxton could bring us a big who can.

Considering age I think Claxton would command more trade assets than Rudy would. I do see that they are considering trading him. He's a good one and I think Brooklyn would be foolish to let him go. Some think Thomas is a net negative. Isn't DFS one of those hard working, doit it all, glue guys.

[winforlose]

If we're not going to keep Claxton than one of Naz or Miller shouldn't be in that trade.

Right which is why this isn’t quite finished. It is more like a rough draft. One thought I had was move Claxton to the Hornets for PJ Washington and maybe a protected first or a couple seconds. Or maybe move Claxton to the Rockets for Eason if they would do it. I just don’t think Claxton could play with Rudy, but I do think Claxton could bring us a big who can.

Considering age I think Claxton would command more trade assets than Rudy would. I do see that they are considering trading him. He's a good one and I think Brooklyn would be foolish to let him go. Some think Thomas is a net negative. Isn't DFS one of those hard working, doit it all, glue guys.

Claxton is expiring and gonna demand money. The Nets don’t want to pay him. I don’t think he is as valuable as you seem to think. I do think he has value in a secondary trade, that is one of the reasons I am willing to pay Naz to secure him. The question is what do we get for rerouting him and I honestly don’t know. I don’t see a world where we trade Rudy and keep Claxton.

[MN7725]

One thing I've wondered about is what trade value Kyle Anderson would have on the trade market. I could see a number of teams being highly interested in him for his ability to defend big wings. Come playoff time that is going to be an extremely valuable skill when going against players like Giannis, Butler, Kawhi, George, Durrant, and LeBron. Could Kyle return 2-3 2nds? Would Kyle+2nd get a late 1st?

Jae Crowder got traded for a bunch of 2nds last trade deadline, so that would be the comparison

really the Wolves should be the perfect team for KA since they have KAT/Reid for him to play with, most other teams are clunky fits because they have tradtional Cs (like Gobert)

Boston/OKC would also make sense but don't see obvious trade

[Danimals]

This is kinda where I'm at. I said yesterday I see us adding two rotational players, and this exactly the kind of thing I envision. Add in a "Moore for Hyland" for good measure (Clippers shave money off their projected 2024-25 tax bill).

We should not want anything to do with Hyland’s guaranteed salary next year. It’s debatable if he’s worth the salary, but he is definitely not worth that salary and the additional 2nd apron taxes it will cost us next year.

We already have Moore's guaranteed money on the books...and really, no matter what the roster construction, it's not going to be "we're paying X in taxes for the 10th man", but rather "we're paying X in taxes to run back the same core group at the top"

We should definitely trade Moore and cash for an expiring contract. With the top end cost of our roster, we don’t want to pay our 10th man over 4 million, unless it is someone much better than Bones Hyland. Our 10th man should be our 1st round pick or a vet minimum.

[winforlose]

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If true and we send out Kyle, Shake, and multiple seconds. How do we restock the cupboard? Dane Moore says we have 4 total, if we use 3 then we are probably gonna want to make another move for a second or two.

[Klomp]

One thing I've wondered about is what trade value Kyle Anderson would have on the trade market. I could see a number of teams being highly interested in him for his ability to defend big wings. Come playoff time that is going to be an extremely valuable skill when going against players like Giannis, Butler, Kawhi, George, Durrant, and LeBron. Could Kyle return 2-3 2nds? Would Kyle+2nd get a late 1st?

Jae Crowder got traded for a bunch of 2nds last trade deadline, so that would be the comparison

really the Wolves should be the perfect team for KA since they have KAT/Reid for him to play with, most other teams are clunky fits because they have tradtional Cs (like Gobert)

Boston/OKC would also make sense but don't see obvious trade

I look more at which teams have unique bigs/forwards that could slot Kyle into a similar role.

Kyle could play roles similar to a Nikola Jokic, Draymond Green, Ben Simmons, Domantas Sabonis, so I think all of those teams could be possibilities.

[Domejandro]

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If true and we send out Kyle, Shake, and multiple seconds. How do we restock the cupboard? Dane Moore says we have 4 total, if we use 3 then we are probably gonna want to make another move for a second or two.

I think that the goal would be to trade the Memphis second, and have another team subsidize any remaining value through trading for Kyle Anderson.

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If true and we send out Kyle, Shake, and multiple seconds. How do we restock the cupboard? Dane Moore says we have 4 total, if we use 3 then we are probably gonna want to make another move for a second or two.

I think that the goal would be to trade the Memphis second, and have another team subsidize any remaining value through trading for Kyle Anderson.

Indy maybe?

[moss_is_1]

Man Jmac has been playing great since getting back into the rotation. I hope we don't make a move just for the sake of making a move. We don't need to panic and send out Miller or all of our 2nds if the deal isn't there.

[minimus]

Man Jmac has been playing great since getting back into the rotation. I hope we don't make a move just for the sake of making a move. We don't need to panic and send out Miller or all of our 2nds if the deal isn't there.

I see McLaughlin as another player who plays within his role. First player is Conley for sure. They play the same position and share same characteristics:

- low usage
- high effort
- limited physical tools
- high IQ
- high efficiency

However for different reasons (age for Conley, inconsistent shooting for McLaughlin) they can NOT be a full-time ballhandlers. Mike has already missed a few games. The answer at the moment is to give a few minutes to Anderson as secondary ballhandler.

Two our main options for deadline to improve bench are:

1) get ballhandler who can take all Anderson minutes as backup PG, in this case we should replace Kyle, because he doesn't impact game without ball in his hands

2) get a high level catch-n-shoot 3pt specialist. In this case we can keep Kyle and play him as facilitator in second unit, but we should minimize his minutes in lineups where he is a second non shooter (right now Rudy-Anderson, Anderson-McLaughlin, Anderson-Milto combinations)

So the my question is: will new acquired player be able to be more efficient as Anderson replacement as ballhandler/defender (be better in this role as McLaughlin) or be better as shooter/defender as TBJ?

P.S. As many of you already mentioned here, I think it is not accurate to think about bench as unit. For instance, KA usually is a substitution for a big or McDaniels. And by itself is a very big thing in terms of versatility. Can you imagine another bench player in NBA who can do it? I wonder if preseason Finch slogan "play like a big team" as one of few implementations leads to intentionally plug KA as a big ballhandler and versatile defender on perimeter

[jpatrick]

I’m not sure I’m willing to go all-in for Tyus. It’d cost us Anderson, who I’m willing to trade, but he is valuable. And how many minutes is Tyus playing in the playoffs. He won’t be able to play with Conley, and I don’t think he’s as good as Mike. So, is he playing 15 minutes a game? He does give us insurance if Conley is injured. It does look like Tyus is slumping lately. Can he shoot well enough? Was the early season hot streak a mirage? It is not something that he’s consistently done in his career.

But I wonder if we’re going all in and trade Anderson, would a shoot/scorer like Bogdanovic be better. Or we’re going to keep Anderson, get a shooter/scorer like Burks.

And we don’t know who is going to hit the buyout market, which complicates things.

[BlacJacMac]

I’d take Morris over Tyus.

Much better and more consistent shooter. Takes care of the ball like Tyus, just makes smart plays.

And he should come cheaper and most likely resign cheaper.

[Dewey]

I’d take Morris over Tyus.

Much better and more consistent shooter. Takes care of the ball like Tyus, just makes smart plays.

And he should come cheaper and most likely resign cheaper.

Tend to agree, but the Bones Hyland infatuation in the background makes me nervous.

[shrink]

I’d take Morris over Tyus.

Much better and more consistent shooter. Takes care of the ball like Tyus, just makes smart plays.

And he should come cheaper and most likely resign cheaper.

Yes, and I think Monte is more likely than Tyus.

While they are similar players, Monte was Tim Connelly #51 pick, and MIN can salary match Monte without giving up Kyle Anderson.

[jpatrick]

I’d take Morris over Tyus.

Much better and more consistent shooter. Takes care of the ball like Tyus, just makes smart plays.

And he should come cheaper and most likely resign cheaper.

Yes, and I think Monte is more likely than Tyus.

While they are similar players, Monte was Tim Connelly #51 pick, and MIN can salary match Monte without giving up Kyle Anderson.

The big question with Morris is after barely playing the past year due to injuries, is he still the same guy that he was in Denver.

[TimberKat]

I’d take Morris over Tyus.

Much better and more consistent shooter. Takes care of the ball like Tyus, just makes smart plays.

And he should come cheaper and most likely resign cheaper.

Yes, and I think Monte is more likely than Tyus.

While they are similar players, Monte was Tim Connelly #51 pick, and MIN can salary match Monte without giving up Kyle Anderson.

The big question with Morris is after barely playing the past year due to injuries, is he still the same guy that he was in Denver.

I seen one good game from him so far but don't watch or check box scores of DET regularly