Fake Trade Thread #5

[yosemiteben]

I find it hard to believe that they'd stick with him through all the bad press just to trade him for some seconds and dookie water

Not even the Charlotte FO is that dumb

Let's also throw Nic Richards in for unknown reasons.

Feels like PHX fans were like let's find a deal that matches our needs and figure out whatever junk we have to send in return and the other team will probably bite.

Sadly, that's 99% of our trade history, on the low end, since 2004. I'll see ridiculous things like "we'll give you Bridges for a top-50 protected future 2nd, and Seth Lundy" on Twitter, I'll say it's BS, and then Mitch will bite on that.

You will not be able to point to a single in season trade under Mitch that supports this take.

ETA: Even at a broader level, I don't see much support for the take that we historically have undervalued our players in trades and given them away for poor returns / draft equity.

[Diop]

Read on Twitter

I think this guy's just full of ****.

He’s only hearing rumours as well I’d say, but it gives me something to read

[Diop]

Miles is playing like he’s being traded

[KingCat]

Miles is playing like he’s being traded

What if he gets Harrison Barnes'd right now lol

[Robot Rock]

Let's also throw Nic Richards in for unknown reasons.

Feels like PHX fans were like let's find a deal that matches our needs and figure out whatever junk we have to send in return and the other team will probably bite.

Sadly, that's 99% of our trade history, on the low end, since 2004. I'll see ridiculous things like "we'll give you Bridges for a top-50 protected future 2nd, and Seth Lundy" on Twitter, I'll say it's BS, and then Mitch will bite on that.

You will not be able to point to a single in season trade under Mitch that supports this take.

So you're going on record right now, and calling that Terry for a 2028 1st a Hornets win? Just want confirmation.

[Robot Rock]

Let's also throw Nic Richards in for unknown reasons.

Feels like PHX fans were like let's find a deal that matches our needs and figure out whatever junk we have to send in return and the other team will probably bite.

Sadly, that's 99% of our trade history, on the low end, since 2004. I'll see ridiculous things like "we'll give you Bridges for a top-50 protected future 2nd, and Seth Lundy" on Twitter, I'll say it's BS, and then Mitch will bite on that.

You will not be able to point to a single in season trade under Mitch that supports this take.

ETA: Even at a broader level, I don't see much support for the take that we historically have undervalued our players in trades and given them away for poor returns / draft equity.

I mean, i absolutely agree. As long as you've lived under a rock for the better part of two decades, I could totally understand the take that the Hornets/Bobcats won most trades, and received more than adequate compensation.

[yosemiteben]

Sadly, that's 99% of our trade history, on the low end, since 2004. I'll see ridiculous things like "we'll give you Bridges for a top-50 protected future 2nd, and Seth Lundy" on Twitter, I'll say it's BS, and then Mitch will bite on that.

You will not be able to point to a single in season trade under Mitch that supports this take.

So you're going on record right now, and calling that Terry for a 2028 1st a Hornets win? Just want confirmation.

Yes, I think expiring + a potentially unprotected 1st multiple seasons from now is about the best that Terry was going to return.

[yosemiteben]

Sadly, that's 99% of our trade history, on the low end, since 2004. I'll see ridiculous things like "we'll give you Bridges for a top-50 protected future 2nd, and Seth Lundy" on Twitter, I'll say it's BS, and then Mitch will bite on that.

You will not be able to point to a single in season trade under Mitch that supports this take.

ETA: Even at a broader level, I don't see much support for the take that we historically have undervalued our players in trades and given them away for poor returns / draft equity.

I mean, i absolutely agree. As long as you've lived under a rock for the better part of two decades, I could totally understand the take that the Hornets/Bobcats won most trades, and received more than adequate compensation.

Feel free to list all the trades where we were sending out players that we undervalued. To me it seems like you'd have an easier time doing the opposite - coming up with guys that we should have traded when they had high value.

[Robot Rock]

You will not be able to point to a single in season trade under Mitch that supports this take.

ETA: Even at a broader level, I don't see much support for the take that we historically have undervalued our players in trades and given them away for poor returns / draft equity.

I mean, i absolutely agree. As long as you've lived under a rock for the better part of two decades, I could totally understand the take that the Hornets/Bobcats won most trades, and received more than adequate compensation.

Feel free to list all the trades where we were sending out players that we undervalued.

Am I limited in that it only has to be in-season? I noticed that important qualifier, which eliminates most of the trades altogether.

[yosemiteben]

I mean, i absolutely agree. As long as you've lived under a rock for the better part of two decades, I could totally understand the take that the Hornets/Bobcats won most trades, and received more than adequate compensation.

Feel free to list all the trades where we were sending out players that we undervalued.

Am I limited in that it only has to be in-season? I noticed that important qualifier, which eliminates most of the trades altogether.

I mean, that was pretty much my point - a narrative that we're going to undervalue a player and give him away at the deadline is pretty much completely baseless, there's not really anything to build that narrative on.

But I'd be curious to see how you'd support the argument even without that qualifier. Curious to see all the trades where we sent out a player that had played multiple seasons for us but that we undervalued in the trade.

[Robot Rock]

Feel free to list all the trades where we were sending out players that we undervalued.

Am I limited in that it only has to be in-season? I noticed that important qualifier, which eliminates most of the trades altogether.

I mean, that was pretty much my point - a narrative that we're going to undervalue a player and give him away at the deadline is pretty much completely baseless, there's not really anything to build that narrative on.

But I'd be curious to see how you'd support the argument even without that qualifier. Curious to see all the trades where we sent out a player that had played multiple seasons for us but that we undervalued in the trade.

See, the interesting thing is that you created the "in-season/at the deadline" qualifier, whereas I said "trade history," which is all-encompassing. Not just trades with Midwest Division teams on a rainy Saturday before noon prior to the next week's trade deadline in a Leap Year.

But here are some. Apologies in advance that they weren't in-season:

SGA to the Thunder for Miles Bridges
Jalen Duren to the Pistons for some second-rounders and Nick Smith
Future first to the Knicks for Kai Jones (good luck spinning that one)
Dwight Howard to the Nets for Hamidou Diallo, Timofey Mozgov, Balsa Koprivica and some gambling money for MJ

Now, since you wanted to discuss Mitch's in-season fleecings of other teams, could you name a few that resulted in a significant positive impact? How did they affect the salary cap?

[Robot Rock]

If you don't count any of the bad trades, there were only good trades.

[yosemiteben]

If you don't count any of the bad trades, there were only good trades.

How many of them involve us trading a player that played for us before the trade? My point was we rarely trade away players that play for us at all, so your narrative of "we probs will trade away Miles for cheap like we always do" has literally zero support.

[yosemiteben]

The only thing I can think of is if the owners said they would not resign miles and to get whatever they can get for him

Had the same thought. Technically they haven't signed off on Miles yet.

[SWedd523]

Belly Nelly, pick that became Kai, and the pick that became Duren were all pretty bad trades at the time they were made (strictly the picks, not the players they became)

Hornets typically do pretty well for themselves in season trades, but they tend to completely **** up around draft night.

[MasterIchiro]

Checking in with the "dump everybody" crowd after this 43-piece from PJ Washington.

I’m a listen to every offer crowd.

The only person I really want traded is Hayward to get some value before he walks.

I’d prefer trading miles if a decent offer happens as I don’t trust his iq to be a good player long term.

Pj is talented, but a poor rebounder and inconsistent. He’d be ideal next to a crash type player to do some of the heavy lifting

Miles and PJ are stepping up and playing better basketball since we dropped the Terry poop bag and lit it afire atop Miami's doorstep, swiftly ringing the doorbell thereafter.

Agree on Hayward but the bidding process could draw out. Positive value though.

[yosemiteben]

Checking in with the "dump everybody" crowd after this 43-piece from PJ Washington.

I’m a listen to every offer crowd.

The only person I really want traded is Hayward to get some value before he walks.

I’d prefer trading miles if a decent offer happens as I don’t trust his iq to be a good player long term.

Pj is talented, but a poor rebounder and inconsistent. He’d be ideal next to a crash type player to do some of the heavy lifting

Miles and PJ are stepping up and playing better basketball since we dropped the Terry poop bag and lit it afire atop Miami's doorstep, swiftly ringing the doorbell thereafter.

What bizarre timing. They played like **** tonight.

[MasterIchiro]

I’m a listen to every offer crowd.

The only person I really want traded is Hayward to get some value before he walks.

I’d prefer trading miles if a decent offer happens as I don’t trust his iq to be a good player long term.

Pj is talented, but a poor rebounder and inconsistent. He’d be ideal next to a crash type player to do some of the heavy lifting

Miles and PJ are stepping up and playing better basketball since we dropped the Terry poop bag and lit it afire atop Miami's doorstep, swiftly ringing the doorbell thereafter.

What bizarre timing. They played like **** tonight.

How do the trees look as you're blind to the forest as usual?

[yosemiteben]

Miles and PJ are stepping up and playing better basketball since we dropped the Terry poop bag and lit it afire atop Miami's doorstep, swiftly ringing the doorbell thereafter.

What bizarre timing. They played like **** tonight.

How do the trees look as you're blind to the forest as usual?

Just saying, couldn't have picked a worse game for them.

[MasterIchiro]

What bizarre timing. They played like **** tonight.

How do the trees look as you're blind to the forest as usual?

Just saying, couldn't have picked a worse game for them.

Didn't know you were a proponent of small samples.