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Hawks - Grizzlies 

Post#1 » by uriah » Sat Feb 3, 2024 8:21 am

Clint Capella + Bogdan Bogdanovic + Patty Mills (or filler)
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Marcus Smart + Luke Kennard + Derrick Rose + Xavier Tillman/David Roddy/Ziarie Williams/John Konchar + Victor Oladipo (as filler)

Hawks shred salary long term while getting a backourt defensive leader in Smart and a shooter to replace Bogdanovic scoring while adding a young player in one of Xavier Tillman/David Roddy/Ziarie Williams/John Konchar (theirs to choose).

Grizzlies consolidate players into two vets for next year push while filling the C and backup SG position in exchange of taking more long term salary.
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Post#2 » by BK_2020 » Sat Feb 3, 2024 12:42 pm

I think if the Grizzlies wanted to spend up to $22 mil. on a center like Capella they would've just kept Steven Adams.
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Re: Hawks - Grizzlies 

Post#3 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Feb 3, 2024 2:18 pm

yeah Memphis can't afford Capela/Bogdan around their 3 core guys. Just a non-starter financially.
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Post#4 » by jayjaysee » Sat Feb 3, 2024 2:36 pm

The Smart/Capela swap feels really bad for Memphis. And the Bogdan/Luke swap feels decent, but lateral. Especially since it’s 50/50 (at best) of Memphis is even keeping Luke and his contract.

If atlanta wants to try Smart next to Trae, I think Memphis should consider it. But it would be in a three team deal where Memphis gets most (all?) of Murray’s value and the expiring contract. That looks like a deal we should’ve suggested on the forum already. Whether it’s Orlando, Houston, LAL, NY, Brooklyn.. all seem to have the expiring Memphis should want and the youth/draft capital..Assuming Vince is seen as the replacement for Smart and this season is a throw away anyways.
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Post#5 » by uriah » Sat Feb 3, 2024 4:33 pm

BK_2020 wrote:I think if the Grizzlies wanted to spend up to $22 mil. on a center like Capella they would've just kept Steven Adams.


Adams was a salary flexibility movement, in the long term exchanging Adams+Smart+Kennard contracts for Bogdanovic+Capela saves Memphis money in the short term (to stay below 2nd apron) although it compromises more money on the long term.

A scorer and ball handler like Bogdanovic in a 6th man role while adding an starting C and clearing a roster spot for a GG jackson signing seems like a good consolidation move for next year.

Start: Morant - Bane - Williams Jr - JJJ - Capela
Bench : Bogdanovic - GG - Aldama - Clarke + lottery pick (pg/sg or center)
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Post#6 » by psman2 » Sat Feb 3, 2024 4:50 pm

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BK_2020 wrote:I think if the Grizzlies wanted to spend up to $22 mil. on a center like Capella they would've just kept Steven Adams.


Adams was a salary flexibility movement, in the long term exchanging Adams+Smart+Kennard contracts for Bogdanovic+Capela saves Memphis money in the short term (to stay below 2nd apron) although it compromises more money on the long term.

A scorer and ball handler like Bogdanovic in a 6th man role while adding an starting C and clearing a roster spot for a GG jackson signing seems like a good consolidation move for next year.

Start: Morant - Bane - Williams Jr - JJJ - Capela
Bench : Bogdanovic - GG - Aldama - Clarke + lottery pick (pg/sg or center)


It just too much money for things we just don't really need. JJJ is our closing center and Capela is not good enough for that to change. So 22m for a center that very likely doesn't play much in the 4th is just not a huge need. Smart is Ja insurance and adds a POA defender that can play 1-3. Even if he ends up not starting he is very likely getting 30+ minutes and can play with both JA and Bane. I would never really want Ja and Bogdanovic sharing the floor defensively and getting a good backup PG is harder than getting a situational center in FA. I just don't see us in the market for either of Atlanta guys right now.

I think we are hunting bigger game here with Kennard's salary and our lottery pick and other assets and that trade likely doesn't come until after the season and before the draft.
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Post#7 » by esvl » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:21 pm

Smart isn’t available unless for overpayment.
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Post#8 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:26 pm

psman2 wrote:It just too much money for things we just don't really need. JJJ is our closing center and Capela is not good enough for that to change. So 22m for a center that very likely doesn't play much in the 4th is just not a huge need. Smart is Ja insurance and adds a POA defender that can play 1-3. Even if he ends up not starting he is very likely getting 30+ minutes and can play with both JA and Bane.


Yeah Smart as the 3rd guard who probably closes most games with the other 2 is a "luxury" worth spending on. Especially since a center could be had for the TMLE if need be. I don't actually hate Capela for them--definitely like his on court fit more than you--but its hard to justify the contract.
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Post#9 » by esvl » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:29 pm

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psman2 wrote:It just too much money for things we just don't really need. JJJ is our closing center and Capela is not good enough for that to change. So 22m for a center that very likely doesn't play much in the 4th is just not a huge need. Smart is Ja insurance and adds a POA defender that can play 1-3. Even if he ends up not starting he is very likely getting 30+ minutes and can play with both JA and Bane.


Yeah Smart as the 3rd guard who probably closes most games with the other 2 is a "luxury" worth spending on. Especially since a center could be had for the TMLE if need be. I don't actually hate Capela for them--definitely like his on court fit more than you--but its hard to justify the contract.


Yes, great point, his value as a closer is hard to overstate. It allows you to give kids first 40 minutes for development purpose, and then just let guys like Smart close the game.
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Post#10 » by psman2 » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:51 pm

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psman2 wrote:It just too much money for things we just don't really need. JJJ is our closing center and Capela is not good enough for that to change. So 22m for a center that very likely doesn't play much in the 4th is just not a huge need. Smart is Ja insurance and adds a POA defender that can play 1-3. Even if he ends up not starting he is very likely getting 30+ minutes and can play with both JA and Bane.


Yeah Smart as the 3rd guard who probably closes most games with the other 2 is a "luxury" worth spending on. Especially since a center could be had for the TMLE if need be. I don't actually hate Capela for them--definitely like his on court fit more than you--but its hard to justify the contract.


I don't hate any player. It is all just a cost benefit analysis thing for me and team fit. Ignoring all the costs here, Capela would be a fine addition even if he only plays the 20-22 minute role. But his D has been meaningful slipping in recent years and that is the one thing that would keep him on the court for us to justify more playing time and his salary. The assets to acquire him, the salary, and the alternative options that can fill that role just makes it a very poor direction to take.

I like Bogdanovic too, but we simply cannot have two of the worst defenders in the NBA in our backcourt rotation while giving up one of the best to accomplish it. Players we bring in need to complement JA, that is why the Smart trade was made. I would like to have one more offensive weapon that can create off our bench, but that is a low level need and preferable not a guard for our current roster construction.
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Re: Hawks - Grizzlies 

Post#11 » by dms269 » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:56 pm

jayjaysee wrote: But it would be in a three team deal where Memphis gets most (all?) of Murray’s value and the expiring contract. .


So you are saying that Smart=Murray in terms of value?
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Post#12 » by uriah » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:58 pm

Grizzlies even without Smart are one of the best defenenses this year (thanks to Vince Williams Rising), so I just see in this trade Vince Williams replacing Smart defensive touhgness and Bogdanovic adding much needed firepower and half court creation.

Capela production is debatable but right now Memphis has 0 centers in their roster, so adding Capela and maybe Filipowsky vía draft could be an option
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Post#13 » by psman2 » Sat Feb 3, 2024 6:09 pm

uriah wrote:Grizzlies even without Smart are one of the best defenenses this year (thanks to Vince Williams Rising), so I just see in this trade Vince Williams replacing Smart defensive touhgness and Bogdanovic adding much needed firepower and half court creation.


So who plays PG when Ja missed his 15+ games. Once we add that player to the roster how many minutes are really left for Bogdanovic? Smart's flexibility and team fit just makes it very unlikely that we trade him for worse team fits that also cost us even more in tax and still force us to trade or sign a high level PG, likely sending us past the 2nd apron.

Even if Vince is a starter and gets 30+ minutes a game, Smart would still be our primary backup at PG/SG/SF and cover for Ja defensively. Vince's emergence has cracked the door in a possible Smart trade, but I just don't think this trade is it.

Something around Smart for OO would be something I think we could consider. OO is young and has room to improve and salary is small enough that we could back fill the PG spot without too much tax ramifications.
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Post#14 » by jayjaysee » Sat Feb 3, 2024 7:42 pm

dms269 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote: But it would be in a three team deal where Memphis gets most (all?) of Murray’s value and the expiring contract. .


So you are saying that Smart=Murray in terms of value?


Yeah, I shouldn’t have put all and should’ve left it “most”.. But Memphis would get the most valuable projected asset in the trade.
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Re: Hawks - Grizzlies 

Post#15 » by dms269 » Sat Feb 3, 2024 8:18 pm

psman2 wrote:Something around Smart for OO would be something I think we could consider. OO is young and has room to improve and salary is small enough that we could back fill the PG spot without too much tax ramifications.


I don't see Atlanta going for that type of deal. OO is likely going to be starting sooner rather than later with Capela probably needing to be moved for tax reasons.
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Re: Hawks - Grizzlies 

Post#16 » by psman2 » Sat Feb 3, 2024 8:24 pm

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psman2 wrote:Something around Smart for OO would be something I think we could consider. OO is young and has room to improve and salary is small enough that we could back fill the PG spot without too much tax ramifications.


I don't see Atlanta going for that type of deal. OO is likely going to be starting sooner rather than later with Capela probably needing to be moved for tax reasons.


Right, that is why these teams are not good trade partners since they have the same needs and tax concerns.

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