xdrta+ wrote:So true about Bird. And there are a number of others who would thrive today. Rick Barry comes to mind.
Yeah, Rick Barry would probably have a field day in today's game.
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xdrta+ wrote:So true about Bird. And there are a number of others who would thrive today. Rick Barry comes to mind.
The guards of today would post up and be bigger and the biga would stretch the floor lifting the bruising bigs above the free throw line. If you play old rules you have to deal with the illegal.defence one area away rule, too.Johnny Bball wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:They were bigger at forward not guard. The NBA guards of yesteryear cannot keep up with todays guards. And yesteryear plodding centre's cannot defend three point shooting mobile bugs. There were two scorers in the 90s not 4 or 5.Johnny Bball wrote:
But you do know that the average NBA player was much bigger by position in previous decades under previous rule sets. And for a reason.
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And if you played under the 90s rules todays big would get destroyed and guards have to get inside still and deal with that. Whats so hard to understand about that.
prophet_of_rage wrote:The guards of today would post up and be bigger and the biga would stretch the floor lifting the bruising bigs above the free throw line. If you play old rules you have to deal with the illegal.defence one area away rule, too.Johnny Bball wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:They were bigger at forward not guard. The NBA guards of yesteryear cannot keep up with todays guards. And yesteryear plodding centre's cannot defend three point shooting mobile bugs. There were two scorers in the 90s not 4 or 5.
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And if you played under the 90s rules todays big would get destroyed and guards have to get inside still and deal with that. Whats so hard to understand about that.
Good luck old timers who couldn't stop 155 pound 5'10 in socks Iverson.
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prophet_of_rage wrote:The guards of today would post up and be bigger and the biga would stretch the floor lifting the bruising bigs above the free throw line. If you play old rules you have to deal with the illegal.defence one area away rule, too.Johnny Bball wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:They were bigger at forward not guard. The NBA guards of yesteryear cannot keep up with todays guards. And yesteryear plodding centre's cannot defend three point shooting mobile bugs. There were two scorers in the 90s not 4 or 5.
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And if you played under the 90s rules todays big would get destroyed and guards have to get inside still and deal with that. Whats so hard to understand about that.
Good luck old timers who couldn't stop 155 pound 5'10 in socks Iverson.
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prophet_of_rage wrote:The guards of today would post up and be bigger and the biga would stretch the floor lifting the bruising bigs above the free throw line. If you play old rules you have to deal with the illegal.defence one area away rule, too.Johnny Bball wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:They were bigger at forward not guard. The NBA guards of yesteryear cannot keep up with todays guards. And yesteryear plodding centre's cannot defend three point shooting mobile bugs. There were two scorers in the 90s not 4 or 5.
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And if you played under the 90s rules todays big would get destroyed and guards have to get inside still and deal with that. Whats so hard to understand about that.
Good luck old timers who couldn't stop 155 pound 5'10 in socks Iverson.
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The 80s and early 90s point guards and shooting guards were smaller and skinnier. Jordan was a physical outlier in the 80s and 90s. Then late 90s guards got bigger like Mike.Roscoe Sheed wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:The guards of today would post up and be bigger and the biga would stretch the floor lifting the bruising bigs above the free throw line. If you play old rules you have to deal with the illegal.defence one area away rule, too.Johnny Bball wrote:
And if you played under the 90s rules todays big would get destroyed and guards have to get inside still and deal with that. Whats so hard to understand about that.
Good luck old timers who couldn't stop 155 pound 5'10 in socks Iverson.
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in what era were guards substantially smaller than they are now? In the 1980s there a lot of big guards
Johnny Bball wrote:Do you guys you have some real deep seated issues with the someone that's in the older generation that you know, or what. Or did you never even watch the prior game that you slag with so much effort.
And the tweeners of today? See ya.
I've been watching since Magic came in the league. I'm nearly 52 years old. You don't know how illegal defence works so I don't have to bother. You're trapped in the 90s like many people and think clogged paint is good defence and the handcheck was the greatest defensive weapon ever even though it didn't stop Thomas, Iverson Kobe Marbury or any other quick guard from scoring. I bet you don't even know that handchecking below the free throw line is still in the rulebook.Johnny Bball wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:The guards of today would post up and be bigger and the biga would stretch the floor lifting the bruising bigs above the free throw line. If you play old rules you have to deal with the illegal.defence one area away rule, too.Johnny Bball wrote:
And if you played under the 90s rules todays big would get destroyed and guards have to get inside still and deal with that. Whats so hard to understand about that.
Good luck old timers who couldn't stop 155 pound 5'10 in socks Iverson.
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None of what you are posting makes sense. Bigger guards still have to deal with yet even bigger shot blockers. And if you knew that you would also know there's no illegal defense real for bigs to hang around in the paint.
And guards aren't posting up unless they are elite players. And that with handchecking they can't just come off picks and get their shot off or get downhill the same way. They can't palm, they get zero gather step, and they can't rip through and bump into defensive players and get a call. So they sure better have more than one way to score and better be better passers.
Do you guys you have some real problems with the someone that's in the older generation that you know, or what. Or did you never even watch the prior game that you slag with so much effort.
And the tweeners of today? See ya.
Neither generation is beating the other in their own ruleset.
We get John Starks was the third best shooting guard in the East and that it's a myth that every team was hugging and mugging. We get that Mitch Richmond and Latrell Sprewell were the best 2s in the West during the 90s. We understand that the handcheck only works against backdoor players. We understand freedom of movement has made the game more skilled and space eaters are no longer in the league and shooting specialists like a Steve Kerr are out of the game. Even the 6 foot point guard is gone. We know Embiid and Jokic are bigger than any centre's not named Shaq. We know Lebron at the 4 is too skilled for Malone and Barkley. We accept that things get better over time and that change can be scary but it's okay.JackZZ wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:Do you guys you have some real deep seated issues with the someone that's in the older generation that you know, or what. Or did you never even watch the prior game that you slag with so much effort.
And the tweeners of today? See ya.
They don't get this, movement and spacing are not going to be easy when defenders are allowed to play physically rough.
If people think all rounder multi talented Joel "Overcooked Spaghetti Legs" Embiid is going to have long career in 80s and 90s, i'd say they've been smoking too much weed.
One of the premier guard in this era, king of step back shot, James Harden is a flopper by trade, part time basketball player. His antiques wouldn't work in older era.
prophet_of_rage wrote:We get John Starks was the third best shooting guard in the East and that it's a myth that every team was hugging and mugging. We get that Mitch Richmond and Latrell Sprewell were the best 2s in the West during the 90s. We understand that the handcheck only works against backdoor players. We understand freedom of movement has made the game more skilled and space eaters are no longer in the league and shooting specialists like a Steve Kerr are out of the game. Even the 6 foot point guard is gone. We know Embiid and Jokic are bigger than any centre's not named Shaq. We know Lebron at the 4 is too skilled for Malone and Barkley. We accept that things get better over time and that change can be scary but it's okay.JackZZ wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:Do you guys you have some real deep seated issues with the someone that's in the older generation that you know, or what. Or did you never even watch the prior game that you slag with so much effort.
And the tweeners of today? See ya.
They don't get this, movement and spacing are not going to be easy when defenders are allowed to play physically rough.
If people think all rounder multi talented Joel "Overcooked Spaghetti Legs" Embiid is going to have long career in 80s and 90s, i'd say they've been smoking too much weed.
One of the premier guard in this era, king of step back shot, James Harden is a flopper by trade, part time basketball player. His antiques wouldn't work in older era.
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prophet_of_rage wrote:We get John Starks was the third best shooting guard in the East and that it's a myth that every team was hugging and mugging. We get that Mitch Richmond and Latrell Sprewell were the best 2s in the West during the 90s. We understand that the handcheck only works against backdoor players. We understand freedom of movement has made the game more skilled and space eaters are no longer in the league and shooting specialists like a Steve Kerr are out of the game. Even the 6 foot point guard is gone. We know Embiid and Jokic are bigger than any centre's not named Shaq. We know Lebron at the 4 is too skilled for Malone and Barkley. We accept that things get better over time and that change can be scary but it's okay.JackZZ wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:Do you guys you have some real deep seated issues with the someone that's in the older generation that you know, or what. Or did you never even watch the prior game that you slag with so much effort.
And the tweeners of today? See ya.
They don't get this, movement and spacing are not going to be easy when defenders are allowed to play physically rough.
If people think all rounder multi talented Joel "Overcooked Spaghetti Legs" Embiid is going to have long career in 80s and 90s, i'd say they've been smoking too much weed.
One of the premier guard in this era, king of step back shot, James Harden is a flopper by trade, part time basketball player. His antiques wouldn't work in older era.
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prophet_of_rage wrote:We get John Starks was the third best shooting guard in the East and that it's a myth that every team was hugging and mugging. We get that Mitch Richmond and Latrell Sprewell were the best 2s in the West during the 90s. We understand that the handcheck only works against backdoor players. We understand freedom of movement has made the game more skilled and space eaters are no longer in the league and shooting specialists like a Steve Kerr are out of the game. Even the 6 foot point guard is gone. We know Embiid and Jokic are bigger than any centre's not named Shaq. We know Lebron at the 4 is too skilled for Malone and Barkley. We accept that things get better over time and that change can be scary but it's okay.JackZZ wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:Do you guys you have some real deep seated issues with the someone that's in the older generation that you know, or what. Or did you never even watch the prior game that you slag with so much effort.
And the tweeners of today? See ya.
They don't get this, movement and spacing are not going to be easy when defenders are allowed to play physically rough.
If people think all rounder multi talented Joel "Overcooked Spaghetti Legs" Embiid is going to have long career in 80s and 90s, i'd say they've been smoking too much weed.
One of the premier guard in this era, king of step back shot, James Harden is a flopper by trade, part time basketball player. His antiques wouldn't work in older era.
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DavidSterned wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:We get John Starks was the third best shooting guard in the East and that it's a myth that every team was hugging and mugging. We get that Mitch Richmond and Latrell Sprewell were the best 2s in the West during the 90s. We understand that the handcheck only works against backdoor players. We understand freedom of movement has made the game more skilled and space eaters are no longer in the league and shooting specialists like a Steve Kerr are out of the game. Even the 6 foot point guard is gone. We know Embiid and Jokic are bigger than any centre's not named Shaq. We know Lebron at the 4 is too skilled for Malone and Barkley. We accept that things get better over time and that change can be scary but it's okay.JackZZ wrote:
They don't get this, movement and spacing are not going to be easy when defenders are allowed to play physically rough.
If people think all rounder multi talented Joel "Overcooked Spaghetti Legs" Embiid is going to have long career in 80s and 90s, i'd say they've been smoking too much weed.
One of the premier guard in this era, king of step back shot, James Harden is a flopper by trade, part time basketball player. His antiques wouldn't work in older era.
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What? You claim to be 52 but don't know who Clyde Drexler was?
Shooting specialists are now being phased out of the game? That's also a joke, right?
prophet_of_rage wrote:Good luck old timers who couldn't stop 155 pound 5'10 in socks Iverson.
prophet_of_rage wrote:The 80s and early 90s point guards and shooting guards were smaller and skinnier. Jordan was a physical outlier in the 80s and 90s. Then late 90s guards got bigger like Mike.Roscoe Sheed wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:The guards of today would post up and be bigger and the biga would stretch the floor lifting the bruising bigs above the free throw line. If you play old rules you have to deal with the illegal.defence one area away rule, too.
Good luck old timers who couldn't stop 155 pound 5'10 in socks Iverson.
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in what era were guards substantially smaller than they are now? In the 1980s there a lot of big guards
Look at Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Iverson. Mark Jackson was a big point guard. He is Jalen Brunson sized.
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Come on, man. Why do you have to be like this?ScrantonBulls wrote:I keep seeing comparisons with modern stars vs stars from the 80s and 90s. Let's end these silly discussions now. The teams of the past would stand ZERO chance against modern players. This even extends to teams from the early 2010s.
Let's do an easy exercise. Teams from the 80s and 90s shot around seven (7) threes a game. Modern teams will shoot around 40 threes a game. How in the world would the old teams overcome that? It's simple. They can't. On top of that, offenses are much more advanced than in the past. It isn't even close. Defense is more advanced with zone, and it is much more difficult to guard players. Modern players are bigger and stronger than in the past.
Enough with these comparisons. Modern teams would DESTROY the teams from the past. I know we all love our nostalgia, but let's be realistic for a bit. The three balls disparity is too hard to overcome.