NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

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I think Luka is going to be penalised for the Mavs record,

The Hospital Mavericks will have a hard time getting into the playoffs. This team is never healthy and i mean all important pieces are constantly injured. Lively&Kyrie already missed combined 35 games and they're still not back.

So, all in all, i think Shai, Giannis, Jokic trio will compete for the MVP.

[Wolfgang630]

Giannis has an All Star starter. SGA and Jokic have nobody. It’s SGA and Jokic in their own tier.

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Best team in the West. How can you not give him the MVP?

As others have pointed out, it is easy to construct an MVP case for a lot of guys if you pick the right stats. Also putting anybody against the hyper efficient stats monster Jokic is generally a bad idea.

Also if you go only by record, then Jayson Tatum is winning the MVP. So you do realize it is a combination of both!

Also the Thunder are just 0.5 wins ahead of the 4th place. A lead with no significance at the moment. If the Thunder finish first, we‘ll talk again.

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SGA has a great case, so does Jokic. they're neck to neck with 30 games to go imo.

the consistency, efficiency, durability, clutchness,impact...they're both seriously balling out there

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Luka read Doctor MJ's post and went right to work
haha, jk

[QPR]

Giannis isn't going away.

[Prez]

Think he’s won his last MVP already but Giannis is still that **** dude in case anyone forgot.

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Think he’s won his last MVP already but Giannis is still that **** dude in case anyone forgot.

no1 forgot..
Dame hurts his case and rightfully so. everyone knows how great Giannis is, I don't think there's a bigger consensus among fans, media etc. than Giannis, however playing with a top 10 offensive player in the league is hardly comparable to say..playing with Kleber, D. Jones and G. Williams

Dame is an all-star, he casually dropped 30 on 10-11 shooting and 5-5 from 3 and 8 assists..that stuff matters

if Denver fails to reach a #1-2 seed and Giannis dethrones the C's - it's his award
if Denver fails to reach a high seed and the Bucks are second but with a better record than say Denver or OKC - then it would be his as well, despite playing with Dame

still alot of season left to play, he's def stii in this but he'll have to create some seperation
If I was a betting man i'd probably bet on Giannis, he's def deserving regardless but I think alot of voters who are Jokic haters (the ones that voted ridicilolusly last season and embrasssed themselves) would be more than happy to shift their automatic Embiid vote - to Giannis and not to the Joker

he's a great bet at current odds imo but just because Doc is so bad, I wouldn't make that wager personally haha

[HotRocks34]

Some movement after tonight's games.

Giannis up to 3, Brunson to 6th.

[Packbuckman]

Giannis has an All Star starter. SGA and Jokic have nobody. It’s SGA and Jokic in their own tier.

That all star starter has struggled since he came here shooting under 40% from the field. Murray has played way better and so has SGA crew as a whole.

[SlovenianDragon]

Its pretty simple Jokic is the leagues best player and SGA is the leagues most valuable player... There is no1 else at this time worth discussing...

You wouldn't be wrong if you picked either of these guys but SGA is having an insane season...putting his team on his back playing both ends of the floor at a ridiculously high level....and currently top in the west.

[INKtastic]

Again, not saying he currently should win, but Mitchell should be in the conversation.

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[Black star]

Think he’s won his last MVP already but Giannis is still that **** dude in case anyone forgot.

no1 forgot..
Dame hurts his case and rightfully so. everyone knows how great Giannis is, I don't think there's a bigger consensus among fans, media etc. than Giannis, however playing with a top 10 offensive player in the league is hardly comparable to say..playing with Kleber, D. Jones and G. Williams

Dame is an all-star, he casually dropped 30 on 10-11 shooting and 5-5 from 3 and 8 assists..that stuff matters

Just chiming in to say I hate these types of arguments. Is Jokic suddenly less of an MVP candidate if Murray doesn't miss all those games earlier in the year and gets selected as an all star by the coaches? Obviously not.

This argument made sense when it was originally used talking about Lebron playing with a prime D Wade or peak Steph playing with peak KD. You know, dudes who were both equal MVP candidates. But people ran with that narrative and now any time a candidate has a good teammate that is somehow a knock on his case.

Most MVP winners in history have done so while having great teammates. This idea to try to turn it into a "who can do the most with least" award or thinking I have to trash my guy's teammates so people will know he doesn't have it too easy is way off base.

The Bucks underperforming their expectations and him not looking like a 1st team all defense candidate for most of the season are the much bigger reasons why he isn't talked about as a lead candidate.

[Wolfgang630]

The discussion is fun. We’re not even the ones voting so our opinions don’t have weight that matters in the race. It’s good to know what the media members are thinking now. The next straw poll from ESPN will probably reveal the winner because all these other guys have more or less played the same as they have since day 1.

[Mavrelous]

Its pretty simple Jokic is the leagues best player and SGA is the leagues most valuable player... There is no1 else at this time worth discussing...

You wouldn't be wrong if you picked either of these guys but SGA is having an insane season...putting his team on his back playing both ends of the floor at a ridiculously high level....and currently top in the west.

If OKC finish top 3 in the west, even if below the Nuggets, I see SGA getting it, he smashed expectations and is by far the MVP of the team, along with insane stats.

[AleksandarN]

Think he’s won his last MVP already but Giannis is still that **** dude in case anyone forgot.

no1 forgot..
Dame hurts his case and rightfully so. everyone knows how great Giannis is, I don't think there's a bigger consensus among fans, media etc. than Giannis, however playing with a top 10 offensive player in the league is hardly comparable to say..playing with Kleber, D. Jones and G. Williams

Dame is an all-star, he casually dropped 30 on 10-11 shooting and 5-5 from 3 and 8 assists..that stuff matters

Just chiming in to say I hate these types of arguments. Is Jokic suddenly less of an MVP candidate if Murray doesn't miss all those games earlier in the year and gets selected as an all star by the coaches? Obviously not.

This argument made sense when it was originally used talking about Lebron playing with a prime D Wade or peak Steph playing with peak KD. You know, dudes who were both equal MVP candidates. But people ran with that narrative and now any time a candidate has a good teammate that is somehow a knock on his case.

Most MVP winners in history have done so while having great teammates. This idea to try to turn it into a "who can do the most with least" award or thinking I have to trash my guy's teammates so people will know he doesn't have it too easy is way off base.

The Bucks underperforming their expectations and him not looking like a 1st team all defense candidate for most of the season are the much bigger reasons why he isn't talked about as a lead candidate.

Even if Murray didn’t miss a whole month due to injury there is no way he would have made it. His play/stats weren’t even close to Sabonis or Fox and they didn’t make it

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Think he’s won his last MVP already but Giannis is still that **** dude in case anyone forgot.

no1 forgot..
Dame hurts his case and rightfully so. everyone knows how great Giannis is, I don't think there's a bigger consensus among fans, media etc. than Giannis, however playing with a top 10 offensive player in the league is hardly comparable to say..playing with Kleber, D. Jones and G. Williams

Dame is an all-star, he casually dropped 30 on 10-11 shooting and 5-5 from 3 and 8 assists..that stuff matters

Just chiming in to say I hate these types of arguments. Is Jokic suddenly less of an MVP candidate if Murray doesn't miss all those games earlier in the year and gets selected as an all star by the coaches? Obviously not.

This argument made sense when it was originally used talking about Lebron playing with a prime D Wade or peak Steph playing with peak KD. You know, dudes who were both equal MVP candidates. But people ran with that narrative and now any time a candidate has a good teammate that is somehow a knock on his case.

Most MVP winners in history have done so while having great teammates. This idea to try to turn it into a "who can do the most with least" award or thinking I have to trash my guy's teammates so people will know he doesn't have it too easy is way off base.

The Bucks underperforming their expectations and him not looking like a 1st team all defense candidate for most of the season are the much bigger reasons why he isn't talked about as a lead candidate.

to be clear, i argued that the way it goes. yes my friend, it's easier to play like an "MVP candidate" when u have star teammates.
more space, defensive schemes that aren't designed just to slow you down specifically etc.

Dame was an MVP candidate (albeit to 5-10ish) just a season or two or go. it's def akin to KD on the Warriors or LBJ\Wade
and it does hurt his case, u make not like it but it makes sense

I didn't say anything about "the most with the least" that's def not it. but there are instances when u pair the "best with the best" and then you get a KD\dubs or a Dame in Mil situation..
no1 "ran away with the narrative", it's always been like this

ofc great teams and great players often have great teammates as well and it's def not about "trashing" someone's teammates, it's just reality

ofc the Bucks underperforming vs. expectations and Giannis not looking like a 1st team all defense hurts his but that's a circular argument as part of that expectations stem from his..teamates. that is, playing alongside a superstar in Dame, Middelton, Lopez etc

KD on the Warriors wasn't the first time, u know

the Bolded is a bit disingenious imo, the team is stacked almost every candidate has substantial "help" and most contenders this season have multiple stars, but Dame isn't some low-end allstar..he was 8th in MVP voting in 2016,4th in 2018,6th in 2019, 8th in 2020 and 7th in 2021. he was on pace for a similar top 10 MVP finish last season if he wasn't shut down to the tank and the surgery.
meaning: Dame isn't a "good teamate" as u put it - he's a fringe MVP teammate, there's a diff

right or not that's a broader discussion but that's def the way it is, especially when u add another fringe MVP candidate to a top tier perennial MVP candidate and "underperform".

[yannisk]

Dame isn't a "good teamate" as u put it - he's a fringe MVP teammate, there's a diff

he has not played like a "fringe mvp candidate"" this year, far from it

[tsamo]

Dame isn't a "good teamate" as u put it - he's a fringe MVP teammate, there's a diff

he has not played like a "fringe mvp candidate"" this year, far from it

Whatever do you mean?

Is 25/4/7 on 43/35/92 splits with no defense whatsoever, not a "fringe mvp player"?
He's been arguably worse than Kyrie, Jamal and Maxey so far and someone could argue from Williams as well.

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Dame isn't a "good teamate" as u put it - he's a fringe MVP teammate, there's a diff

he has not played like a "fringe mvp candidate"" this year, far from it

Whatever do you mean?

Is 25/4/7 on 43/35/92 splits with no defense whatsoever, not a "fringe mvp player"?
He's been arguably worse than Kyrie, Jamal and Maxey so far and someone could argue from Williams as well.

guys ur barking up the wrong tree
obviously he hasn't played like a fringe NBA candidate THIS seaon (not even close and there are many guards who've been better this season), I was talking about him being added to an already contending team with Giannis on it, as a fringe MVP player and the perception of that fact, not about his on-court play this season

like it or not but Dame struggling (by his high standards at least) isn't all that relevant
fwiw he hasn't been worse than Kyrie because Kyrie has played just 27 games an Jamal has also missed signficant time and hasn't played great either. Maxey has def been better than Dame (much better) and 100% of nba fans, players or media would agree on that

it doesn't matter, adding a perennial top 7-10 MVP candidate hurts his case, even if that player isn't playing up to par
that's just a fact. doesn't mean he hasn't been great (he has), doesn't mean he doesn't have a case at all (he does) just means it makes his case innately weaker and he'll need some extra seperation to overcome that, which is what I was arguing in my post. nothing more nothing less..