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Post#381 » by CazOnReal » Sun Feb 4, 2024 6:18 am

bballsparkin wrote:the rule seems stupid. A young player jeopardizing his health for the million$. They need to revise this.

1 - The All-Star game is coming very soon, he'll have plenty of time to rest during ASW
2. The 65 rule is just putting in to the rule books what was already more or less an unspoken of condition for All-NBA, MVP, DPoY and all the other major awards. The last non-lockout MVP where the winner played less than 65 games was Bill Walton in the 70s and that was back when players voted on MVP. It's never happened in the case where media votes on who the MVP is.
3. $40 million-ish is a massive difference but let's not pretend like Haliburton isn't already making $200 million over the course of his next contract - or that he's made more money than you or I ever will via his rookie contract.
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Post#382 » by HangTime » Sun Feb 4, 2024 6:31 am

bballsparkin wrote:
douggood wrote:Halliburton is still hurt, he is only playing because of the 65 game rule and since he has $40 mil on the line.
back to back 22 min game.
and guess what, minimum minutes to count as game played 20.

plus pacers fans coming to grip with Siakam's game.
"Need to stop giving Siakam the ball to initiate his own offense in crunch time. "


the rule seems stupid. A young player jeopardizing his health for the million$. They need to revise this.


They should remove the rule where awards determine max salaries.
Don't give the media the power to decide that.

Let the analytics decide that.

If you make the all analytical first team (something I just thought of) , then you're in line for the super max.
Have based on minutes played instead games played.
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Post#383 » by LoveMyRaps » Sun Feb 4, 2024 6:32 am

Dallas blowing that 25 point lead sucks big time but at least Lakers won.
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Post#384 » by mdenny » Sun Feb 4, 2024 6:36 am

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bballsparkin wrote:
douggood wrote:Halliburton is still hurt, he is only playing because of the 65 game rule and since he has $40 mil on the line.
back to back 22 min game.
and guess what, minimum minutes to count as game played 20.

plus pacers fans coming to grip with Siakam's game.
"Need to stop giving Siakam the ball to initiate his own offense in crunch time. "


the rule seems stupid. A young player jeopardizing his health for the million$. They need to revise this.


They should remove the rule where awards determine max salaries.
Don't give the media the power to decide that.

Let the analytics decide that.

If you make the all analytical first team (something I just thought of) , then you're in line for the super max.
Have based on minutes played instead games played.


Definitely agreed on the awards stuff but I like the 65 game rule. Just not via award contention. It should be directly linked to the max contract stuff if that makes sense.
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Post#385 » by bballsparkin » Sun Feb 4, 2024 6:39 am

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bballsparkin wrote:the rule seems stupid. A young player jeopardizing his health for the million$. They need to revise this.

1 - The All-Star game is coming very soon, he'll have plenty of time to rest during ASW
2. The 65 rule is just putting in to the rule books what was already more or less an unspoken of condition for All-NBA, MVP, DPoY and all the other major awards. The last non-lockout MVP where the winner played less than 65 games was Bill Walton in the 70s and that was back when players voted on MVP. It's never happened in the case where media votes on who the MVP is.
3. $40 million-ish is a massive difference but let's not pretend like Haliburton isn't already making $200 million over the course of his next contract - or that he's made more money than you or I ever will via his rookie contract.


I don't have a problem with the 65 game rule. It's the All-NBA money. We dealt with that with Pascal. Extra unneeded drama. They want it. It effects the teams they play for. Not a fan of the way it's set up.
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Post#386 » by Mak » Sun Feb 4, 2024 2:30 pm

Magic and Heat only .5 game behind Pacers now. If Pacers end up in the play in , its a big win for this pick. Then anything can happen in the play in.
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Post#387 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Feb 4, 2024 3:14 pm

Mak wrote:Magic and Heat only .5 game behind Pacers now. If Pacers end up in the play in , its a big win for this pick. Then anything can happen in the play in.

I’m unreasonably worried they end up wining the lottery and we get 2nds :lol:
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Post#388 » by Godaddycurse » Sun Feb 4, 2024 3:26 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
Mak wrote:Magic and Heat only .5 game behind Pacers now. If Pacers end up in the play in , its a big win for this pick. Then anything can happen in the play in.

I’m unreasonably worried they end up wining the lottery and we get 2nds :lol:


I think lottery is rigged and they are not going to let a team with 2 all NBA caliber players get another top 3 pick
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Post#389 » by douggood » Sun Feb 4, 2024 3:43 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
Mak wrote:Magic and Heat only .5 game behind Pacers now. If Pacers end up in the play in , its a big win for this pick. Then anything can happen in the play in.

I’m unreasonably worried they end up wining the lottery and we get 2nds :lol:


I think lottery is rigged and they are not going to let a team with 2 all NBA caliber players get another top 3 pick

How is it rigged? I always wonder how people think it's done.
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Post#390 » by Statistician MK » Sun Feb 4, 2024 3:44 pm

My dream for us is to have two lottery picks this year...
The 5th worst (our pick), and the 14th worst (from the Pacers)...

We need Pacers to end up behind Magic, Heat and Maverics (all three are just 0.5 game behind Pacers now), as well as the Lakers (they are 1.5 games behind now)...

Realistically, something like this could only happen if Halliburton's injury kept him out, or if he is limited to just 20-22 minutes per game a little longer... Pacers have lost their last 4 games because of that!
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Post#391 » by Fairview4Life » Sun Feb 4, 2024 3:51 pm

Statistician MK wrote:My dream for us is to have two lottery picks this year...
The 5th worst (our pick), and the 14th worst (from the Pacers)...

We need Pacers to end up behind Magic, Heat and Maverics (all three are just 0.5 game behind Pacers now), as well as the Lakers (they are 1.5 games behind now)...

Realistically, something like this could only happen if Halliburton's injury kept him out, or if he is limited to just 20-22 minutes per game a little longer... Pacers have lost their last 4 games because of that!


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Post#392 » by wegotthabeet » Sun Feb 4, 2024 3:52 pm

Statistician MK wrote:My dream for us is to have two lottery picks this year...
The 5th worst (our pick), and the 14th worst (from the Pacers)...

We need Pacers to end up behind Magic, Heat and Maverics (all three are just 0.5 game behind Pacers now), as well as the Lakers (they are 1.5 games behind now)...

Realistically, something like this could only happen if Halliburton's injury kept him out, or if he is limited to just 20-22 minutes per game a little longer... Pacers have lost their last 4 games because of that!


That would be like the 1999 draft where we took Bender & Redojevic.

I doubt this draft is as strong but imagine walking away from this draft with two Marion, Rip Hamilton, Artest, Andre Miller etc… level prospects would be nice.
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Post#393 » by PD28 » Sun Feb 4, 2024 3:54 pm

bballsparkin wrote:
douggood wrote:Halliburton is still hurt, he is only playing because of the 65 game rule and since he has $40 mil on the line.
back to back 22 min game.
and guess what, minimum minutes to count as game played 20.

plus pacers fans coming to grip with Siakam's game.
"Need to stop giving Siakam the ball to initiate his own offense in crunch time. "


the rule seems stupid. A young player jeopardizing his health for the million$. They need to revise this.
It's his choice to play or not. I don't think 65/82 is a crazy demand to meet for a player to get a superstar extension. Part of being a superstar is being available to play.

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Post#394 » by Dennis 37 » Sun Feb 4, 2024 4:42 pm

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bballsparkin wrote:
douggood wrote:Halliburton is still hurt, he is only playing because of the 65 game rule and since he has $40 mil on the line.
back to back 22 min game.
and guess what, minimum minutes to count as game played 20.

plus pacers fans coming to grip with Siakam's game.
"Need to stop giving Siakam the ball to initiate his own offense in crunch time. "


the rule seems stupid. A young player jeopardizing his health for the million$. They need to revise this.
It's his choice to play or not. I don't think 65/82 is a crazy demand to meet for a player to get a superstar extension. Part of being a superstar is being available to play.

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Remember the days of 20 and 40 second time outs? Then revenue needs to pay for increased salaries resulted in the 20 being at least 30 and the 40 being at least a minute. What are timeouts now? A minimum of 90 seconds. If a coach's challenge happens, or LeFlop is rolling on the floor faking a career ending injury and the refs are seeing if they can manufacture a flagrant call, the time out of play can be up to 3 minutes. The players get plenty of rest during the actual game.

Players of the past didn't have to put up with this rule because players of the past had integrity. They didn't load manage, they didn't let a minor injury keep them out of a game. Load management is fine for players with chronic injury history, but those players shouldn't whine about not being eligible. You don't hear Kawhi Leonard whining.

The NBA doesn't, nor the fans of the game, owe players a long career. They are paid big money to perform at 100% of their ability every night, and if that means their career only lasts 10 years, well 10 years of NBA money is a hell of a lot of money. If they choose to load manage, well then there are consequences for that. Less money over a greater number of years.

Also think of it this way.

Premier Team is visiting your city. Because Premier Team has Premier Star, you have to pay for an inflated ticket price. Premier Star then decides to sit. Do you get a refund on the inflated part of your ticket price? No. That means the money collected to help pay that player his All-NBA bonus money has been collected from you, and Premier Star expects to receive it, but you don't get the enjoyment of seeing if your team can contain Premier Star.

Yah, no sympathy at all for the greed of players. The line should be 70 games with no more than 5 being away games.
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Post#395 » by isyed » Sun Feb 4, 2024 5:33 pm

Minus the Tampa tank masai has done right by the while tanking process.

I hope we develop team Chemistry, let's scottie develop in game reps trying to win and the rest getting better. In the process if we lose we lose. Make sure the scottie to dick and Iq plus Rj players work and get better each game.

Lottery God's should help us for playing honestly and not trying to tank like other tanking teams.

Give us the 1st pick and hopefully the pacers get the 4th pick.

Clippers and okc should loose as well (I want sga in some way shape or form and being this good this soon as a team gives us no chance. Let them suck in the second half of the season). Hopefully we get an early 20th pick out of this.

Keep Schroeder and Poetl. Trade Trent, Brown and porter for any combination of picks for 2025 or further.

I want this to be a single year tank hopefully. Next year we try to win



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Post#396 » by DonDoolie » Sun Feb 4, 2024 5:46 pm

isyed wrote:Minus the Tampa tank masai has done right by the while tanking process.

I hope we develop team Chemistry, let's scottie develop in game reps trying to win and the rest getting better. In the process if we lose we lose. Make sure the scottie to dick and Iq plus Rj players work and get better each game.

Lottery God's should help us for playing honestly and not trying to tank like other tanking teams.

Give us the 1st pick and hopefully the pacers get the 4th pick.

Clippers and okc should loose as well (I want sga in some way shape or form and being this good this soon as a team gives us no chance. Let them suck in the second half of the season). Hopefully we get an early 20th pick out of this.

Keep Schroeder and Poetl. Trade Trent, Brown and porter for any combination of picks for 2025 or further.

I want this to be a single year tank hopefully. Next year we try to win



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Post#397 » by carlosey » Sun Feb 4, 2024 6:07 pm

The top players need to play most of the season and lead/inspirebtheir teams towards competitiveness. What's happening is that these people are trying to normalize taking off 25% of the season and still get a bonus. As pointed out in this thread thr players are getting paid but the fans that pay don't get a discount.

Zero sympathy. Sorry if you get injured and it's tougher to qualify but people are qhite literally paying for you to play.
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Post#398 » by bballsparkin » Sun Feb 4, 2024 6:59 pm

PD28 wrote:
bballsparkin wrote:
the rule seems stupid. A young player jeopardizing his health for the million$. They need to revise this.
It's his choice to play or not. I don't think 65/82 is a crazy demand to meet for a player to get a superstar extension. Part of being a superstar is being available to play.



Yeah I agree. I wasn't clear with my post. The 65 game rule is fine. The ticket prices are crazy expensive and star players were being disrespectful to the fans paying the money to watch the games. Especially towards the end of the season. My problem is the supermax. It encourages players to be selfish and look for their own numbers first is what I don't like about it.
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Post#399 » by Mak » Sun Feb 4, 2024 8:05 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
Mak wrote:Magic and Heat only .5 game behind Pacers now. If Pacers end up in the play in , its a big win for this pick. Then anything can happen in the play in.

I’m unreasonably worried they end up wining the lottery and we get 2nds :lol:


Pacers win the lottery and bump us to 7th, nightmare case.
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Post#400 » by bballsparkin » Sun Feb 4, 2024 8:10 pm

^^Ouch Mak, that is not a pleasant thought. Raps keep the pick at our lucky #4, and Pacers pick #18. I'd be quite content with that.

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