76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2

[eyeatoma]

I'm of the opinion that Embiid does not return for this season.

Morey get's to really see what he is working with. Making decisions about who stays who goes and what this team really needs has become a lot more easier for him, if Joel does not play for the rest of the season. You basically have an MVP type player coming back next season, a young all star, an excellent coach, cap space and assets, it's a soft restart. Now what are you going to do? It's an exciting time to be a 76ers fan. Let's see what the young guys can do. What's going on leading up to the trade deadline, the draft and off season.

I honestly believe that Adam Silver and the Colangelo's derailed the original process. Now we have the soft process 2.0 with a more mature starting point. And the guy Hinkie studied under running the show.

I highly doubt that happens. If he can get right and come back they'll do it. No way Jo lets that happen, or the team. His future in the NBA is ticking away. He'll always be injury prone. If the team can get some solid pieces and he can return by late March/early April, they'll probably test their luck. Might not be great for his long term prognosis but I doubt Embiid cares if he can win a chip.

When did u figure that out?and if that's the case he will never be put before Giannis or Jokic

I mean, I doubt he cares about his long term ability to remain elite in the NBA, if he can win a chip this year, with getting the quick surgery.

[elchengue20]

So, best case scenario is we can get a hobbled Embiid in the Playoffs (again), great news.

And people get mad when i say trading him is the best move.

Also we can't act like if he takes care of this injury, next season everyhing is going to be ok. He'll probably get hurt again, something is going to come up. It's just he way he plays and he's built.

And he's not a young kid anymore, injuries are going to get worse and worse and more frequent.

[zaz102]

So, best case scenario is we can get a hobbled Embiid in the Playoffs (again), great news.

And people get mad when i say trading him is the best move.

Also we can't act like if he takes care of this injury, next season everyhing is going to be ok. He'll probably get hurt again, something is going to come up. It's just he way he plays and he's built.

And he's not a young kid anymore, injuries are going to get worse and worse and more frequent.

I ain't mad, but not sure it's the best move.

To win a championship, you need a top five player. He is one when healthy so they definitely have a chance for a few years. Whoever they trade for (e.g. Randle as per the summer Knicks rumor), they would be further away. And those draft picks probably wouldn't be really high picks as the team trading for him (e.g. Knicks) would be a very good team for a few years.

We've already seen how hard it's been to get another top player here with Embiid. I don't see why it would be easier to do with Maxey. Philly is not a top FA destination.

I totally get the point if you say I don't think we can win with Embiid due to the injuries and re-start the process, but you can always do that once he's cooked.

Now if you somehow got a ridiculous package around a young guy who are almost guaranteed to be a stud (e.g. Chet), then you do it. But I'm skeptical that those deals are easy to come by.

[Snotbubbles]

Apparently this is their logic...Which I actually get, and don't fault them for. You rest it, but then you come back, and it's bad, then no chance at the playoffs. You cut a little out, you're back in 4 to 6 weeks at worse. It's not out 6 monhts like some are speculating because that's a repair and according the the article 98% of these are unrepairable. Problem is if he gets it done, it could be problems later on in life.

This is why this decision is Embiid's and Embiid's alone. Really, what quality of life does he want in his 40s, 50s, 60s...

Making a short-sighted decision in order to get back to playing quickly is probably not the best course of action long-term.

[brannigan73]

A thought occured to me watching the Nets game that without Embiid, Milton Batum, and Covington this team is in the running for worst D in the league. Who are the good defenders exactly? Pat Bev? Everyone else is average to well below average.

[Bum Adebayo]

So, best case scenario is we can get a hobbled Embiid in the Playoffs (again), great news.

And people get mad when i say trading him is the best move.

Also we can't act like if he takes care of this injury, next season everyhing is going to be ok. He'll probably get hurt again, something is going to come up. It's just he way he plays and he's built.

And he's not a young kid anymore, injuries are going to get worse and worse and more frequent.

I ain't mad, but not sure it's the best move.

To win a championship, you need a top five player. He is one when healthy so they definitely have a chance for a few years. Whoever they trade for (e.g. Randle as per the summer Knicks rumor), they would be further away. And those draft picks probably wouldn't be really high picks as the team trading for him (e.g. Knicks) would be a very good team for a few years.

We've already seen how hard it's been to get another top player here with Embiid. I don't see why it would be easier to do with Maxey. Philly is not a top FA destination.

I totally get the point if you say I don't think we can win with Embiid due to the injuries and re-start the process, but you can always do that once he's cooked.

Now if you somehow got a ridiculous package around a young guy who are almost guaranteed to be a stud (e.g. Chet), then you do it. But I'm skeptical that those deals are easy to come by.

You need a top five player in Playoffs. Embiid is NOT a Top 5, nor Top 10, player in Playoffs.
What you say about re-start the process doesn't make sense, as in, it's MUCH MUCH easier to do that by trading Embiid. If you simply try to win with him, you will end with either a really washed up player with very little value left, or a player who gets injured much more often than now, even less (or no) value. If you trade him, you can get a nice package with picks to build for the future. Of course, the time to do that was last offseason after being MVP, now his value is diminished and it will have to be rebuilt next season before trade deadline 2025.

[zaz102]

So, best case scenario is we can get a hobbled Embiid in the Playoffs (again), great news.

And people get mad when i say trading him is the best move.

Also we can't act like if he takes care of this injury, next season everyhing is going to be ok. He'll probably get hurt again, something is going to come up. It's just he way he plays and he's built.

And he's not a young kid anymore, injuries are going to get worse and worse and more frequent.

I ain't mad, but not sure it's the best move.

To win a championship, you need a top five player. He is one when healthy so they definitely have a chance for a few years. Whoever they trade for (e.g. Randle as per the summer Knicks rumor), they would be further away. And those draft picks probably wouldn't be really high picks as the team trading for him (e.g. Knicks) would be a very good team for a few years.

We've already seen how hard it's been to get another top player here with Embiid. I don't see why it would be easier to do with Maxey. Philly is not a top FA destination.

I totally get the point if you say I don't think we can win with Embiid due to the injuries and re-start the process, but you can always do that once he's cooked.

Now if you somehow got a ridiculous package around a young guy who are almost guaranteed to be a stud (e.g. Chet), then you do it. But I'm skeptical that those deals are easy to come by.

You need a top five player in Playoffs. Embiid is NOT a Top 5, nor Top 10, player in Playoffs.
What you say about re-start the process doesn't make sense, as in, it's MUCH MUCH easier to do that by trading Embiid. If you simply try to win with him, you will end with either a really washed up player with very little value left, or a player who gets injured much more often than now, even less (or no) value. If you trade him, you can get a nice package with picks to build for the future. Of course, the time to do that was last offseason after being MVP, now his value is diminished and it will have to be rebuilt next season before trade deadline 2025.

I still disagree. Jokic couldn't win the POs until last year. Giannis was seen in a similar light until he won. Embiid being injury prone is killing them, but doesn't change what the ceiling is.


Also, they still have a few years until Embiid's value drops. Dame got a nice package. Gobert got a nice package. Harden got a nice package. He's a still a few levels above these guys. And he was a better player than last year if it weren't for the injuries. No sign of yet that he's slowing down as an actual player. I'm sure the Knicks or whoever that were interested in him before will be just as interested in few years.

I think the process/acquiring assets is easy to do once you commit. They didn't have much when the started with Jrue (who they didnt get much for) and pretty quickly acquired a ton of assets.

That being said, if I were Morey, I would definitely listen to calls for Joel. Maybe laugh them off in the media, but if the right deal came along (picks and a young guarantees star like Scottie, Chet, etc.) I would jump on it in a heartbeat. I just doubt anyone would do that.

[Skates]

If embiid can't be at full speed by the playoffs, then the trade deadline should concentrate on acquiring assets in the form of draft picks, younger players, players on value contracts, etc in return for guys like Harris and Melton. Build up the war chest and future team, no one believes this team can go anywhere in the playoffs with no or partial Embiid.

I was never sure if this was a go for it or transition year post-Harden, with Embiid hurt and the older guys falling apart in enlarged roles, it looks more and more like a transition year. Batum, Morris and Kelly may even have value in smaller roles on other teams.

[Mik317]

they aren't going to trade Biid. It is a pointless discussion really.
For one now especially that he's hurt, his value is lower and also I don't think anyone has say a SGA level prospect to trade for him anyway. He's out of OKC's age range IMO and even then the best you'd get is Giddey IMO. Being a Center also places a cap on where he goes as Houston for example has Sengun.

But regardless of all of that...teams don't trade MVPs unless they ask out. Its a bad look to agents and other players for one and its hard to get them in the first place. And while we don't give a **** about it, the owners are trying to get a new stadium...so you can't even be bad for long AND we owe picks.

So the only reason you'd trade Biid is because you are a butthurt impatient philadelphia fan w/ no logic of how things work beyond I WANT IT NOOOOW...which is ironically the same short sighted **** that ruined the process lol.

IMO again this is not the Iggy situation. Biid, flawed as he is and injury prone as he is, still has us a near lock for 50 wins every year. People go "oh bu-but we haven't been passed the second round"...when for a while we didn't even win two playoff GAMES for a decade lol. We have been in 3 game 7s and in 1 it took a all time shot, in another a guy passed up a dunk, and in the last we were a few Melton shots away from winning in 6. All of that is very very painful and trust me I hate it too. BUT thats with bad coaching, MULTIPLE playoff droppers (this includes Biid tbf) and just general bad luck lol. I'll take the even if small chance that one year things go right over trading Biid and hoping with the picks we get back we get another top 10 player or multiple and get further.

I think people forget why the process happened. People think its because the team had stagnated and had no future when the reality was we had tried to go all in w/ Bynum and had no picks and no future. Have a Future in place w/ maxey hopefully and even an aging Biid is a better player than anyone on that team. We aren't there yet. Maxey's improvement has given us more rope and more time IMO...hell I think this injury ironically can be a good thing for us if the FO makes the right decisions. This was never going to be THE YEAR IMO. My fear was that they'd get to the playoffs and try the Biid do it all system and wonder why it doesn't work (fun fact the ____ do it all system doesn't work for anyone IMO) this gives them time to realize that you have to build an actual TEAM around Biid to make up for some of his flaws like every other team does; Giannis has a ballhander, closer, and Brook Lopez behind him on defense. Jokic has Murray as his sidekick and Gordon and their wings make up for his lackluster rim protection. Steph has won when he had copius ammounts of wing defenders and Draymond to run the show to allow his off ball gravity to **** things up,...team doesn't win as much with Wiggins and Klay falling off cliffs and Draymond deciding to practice MMA moves on court huh?

This city has this warped idea that sports are won by one dude on a team and then goes **** when said one dude can't make up for the incompetence around him and then ask for them to be traded ASAP because they don't want it enough and aren't a winner. This city would have ran Giannis out of town when he was getting walled. Would have probably called Jokic a fat **** when he got swept. Hell would have probably advocated to keep Monta Ellis over Curry because his ankles were made of glass lol.

You get the star and you die with the star IMO. Too hard to get them in the NBA...and while our star may be difficult to build around, may not last long, or just may be the unluckiest mofo around lol...I'll take that frustration over wading back into the draft minefield for the next decade atm.

[FireMorey]

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[Iverson Armband]

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Good, focus on long term health and shut it down for the season.

[Negrodamus]

Trade Tobias now please.

[elchengue20]

Yeah Tobias and Melton are probably gone.

We have our pick next year? Time to get into Process mode baby.

[NYSixersFan]

At this point, having Embiid is fools gold.

[sixers hoops]

Yeah Tobias and Melton are probably gone.

We have our pick next year? Time to get into Process mode baby.

We do have our pick.

[eyeatoma]

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For once it looks like we're being smart about this.

Doctors will decide the timeline once they see inside the knee. So leaving the door open for a return this season if it looks good inside there.

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[ProcessDoctor]

Get all the picks by Thursday Morey.

Use every expiring contract to get us something.

[mjkvol]

So glad they didn't decide to try and come back this season, which was always going to be a transition season anyway. Now is the chance to build something around Embiid and Maxey, and we have the assets to make something happen. Clear the decks and prepare for what will hopefully be a momentous summer.

[Slacktard]

The fact that they're not letting him rest for a couple of weeks and having surgery immediately would seem to indicate the hope is for a partial meniscus removal and the shorter injury recovery IMO.

Full repair is an unlikely return this season unless the Sixers somehow got DEEP into the playoffs without him which seems pretty unlikely. The only timetable a full repair would impact by having it immediately is him playing in Olympics with having it earlier putting him at close to 6 months recovery going into them.

[zaz102]

I vote for going the route of the Warriors did the year they punted. Tank, acquire any assets you can, and hopefully they can trade that use that higher draft pick in a trade.