Podz Stan Thread

KevinMcreynolds · Post #61 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:58 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:He's crashing head first into that rookie wall.

seems more like a shooting slump, the rest of his game has been business as usual

Sandy333 · Post #62 » by **Sandy333** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 9:19 am

Teams are figuring out how he likes to drive, he is being walled up. He needs to develop countermoves like a euro step or go both left and right. At this time his ceiling looks like Donte Divecenzo.

HiRez · Post #63 » by **HiRez** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:20 pm

Sell high? That's what all the Kuminga haters keep saying about him. Lots to like about Podz but lots of flaws that may limit his upside as well.

billinder33 · Post #64 » by **billinder33** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 2:37 pm

Through summer league, I thought Podz was a totally wasted draft pick. The "Imma average a triple double" comment and then going out and laying an egg didn't sit well with me at all.

I've completely 180'd on that. Really impressed by this guy. Super well-rounded game - while incredibly stupid, I can actually see now where the "triple double" comment was coming from. Good decision maker. Facilitates. Takes care of the ball. Crazy good rebounder for a smallish guard. Not super athletic, but athletic enough and doesn't really on it, which is a good thing. Pretty much all you could expect from a mid level pick and then some. Definitely not a bust.

I could see him develop into the primary ball handler for a consistently winning team. He's hitting a bit of a rookie wall right now but he does do many things well that it's not really been a huge drop off from early in the season. He's surprisingly consistent, no crazy ups and downs from game to game or week to week... I think that's the thing that impresses me most in his rookie season. And despite the good early play, you can still see lots of headroom for future growth.

Not sure he'll ever be a dominant 'impose his will' player like Steph, but could see him developing into a high level #2/#3 type complementary player, kind of like Manu was. Great fit for Kerr's system. I do think (similar to Manu) the players he's surrounded with will have the biggest impact on how his career is viewed by the end of it. Can't wait to see what a 26-28 year old Podz looks like, hope he keeps improving and does it long term in a W's uniform.

Dubs 707 · Post #65 » by **Dubs 707** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 2:51 pm

Sell now while he has value.

billinder33 · Post #66 » by **billinder33** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 2:55 pm

Dubs 707 wrote:Sell now while he has value.

With Kuminga, Moody, and TJD too... So we can make room for Vince Carter

Dubs 707 · Post #67 » by **Dubs 707** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:53 pm

I wouldn't trade Kuminga. Hard pass but he has the potential of Jaylen Brown.

While the others have shown the potential to be what?

wco81 · Post #68 » by **wco81** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:08 am

Yeah he may never rise about a "nice" role player.

If he had great handles and/or some hops, he could be effective on offense.

He may end up along the vein of a less athletic DDV, very active on the boards, a connector type, occasionally stripes it well from the arc.

KevinMcreynolds · Post #69 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:37 pm

he’s a combo plate of Josh Hart and Joe Ingles

Onus · Post #70 » by **Onus** » Wed Jan 24, 2024 4:12 pm

It baffles me that Podz is a gym rat but has no mid range game. Like no pull up, step back.

wco81 · Post #71 » by **wco81** » Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:55 pm

Probably never had to, as he finished well enough through college at around the rim.

In the NBA, he is going to need a pull up and floater game for his size, unless he has a growth spurt or something.

Onus · Post #72 » by **Onus** » Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:13 pm

wco81 wrote:Probably never had to, as he finished well enough through college at around the rim.

In the NBA, he is going to need a pull up and floater game for his size, unless he has a growth spurt or something.

He has a floater. The problem is that he'll use his floater from midrange. He would take floaters from the ft line.

TB · Post #73 » by TB » Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:14 pm

I think he's also aware of the analytics and tries to get good shots from 3 or get into the paint.. and I sort of like that mentality. He actually shoots pretty close to league average in the restricted area, but has just missed too many in-between long floaters. He avoids the mid-range completely.. Dantoni would love his shot chart.

I think if he just keeps working on his floater package (it was insanely good at Santa Clara) to adjust to the longer defenders in the NBA he can be a little more aggressive when attacking the paint.

But I also wouldn't be surprised if he started taking some of those elbow mid-range shots after being around Paul so much. The problem with those shots are you need to be able to make them like Paul or Steph to validate taking them.

CDM_Stats · Post #74 » by **CDM_Stats** » Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:17 pm

I was laughing pretty heavily at the Kuminga trade value comp.. thats good stuff. Sell now when the guy with a great floor game can't score = sell now when the guy with a terrible floor game is scoring

I hope we do commit to a low IQ core... maybe people will learn then

wco81 · Post #75 » by **wco81** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:25 am

Too early to second guess picking Podz at #19. He’s been a good surprise.

But Whitmore chosen at #20 is coming on a bit more, averaging more in points, shooting about the same. Podz rebounding better.

I don’t know how Whitmore does on defense but he’s a big, athletic wing. Podz plays bigger than his height but Whitmore might have brought more size and athleticism to the front court.

Onus · Post #76 » by **Onus** » Mon Feb 5, 2024 5:04 am

Read on Twitter

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Can podz make this happen more frequently?
Now that wiggs is out can moody give us some of his defense? Can Lester get minutes to reduce Klays minutes even more.

GQ Hot Dog · Post #77 » by **GQ Hot Dog** » Mon Feb 5, 2024 5:09 am

wco81 wrote:Too early to second guess picking Podz at #19. He’s been a good surprise.

But Whitmore chosen at #20 is coming on a bit more, averaging more in points, shooting about the same. Podz rebounding better.

I don’t know how Whitmore does on defense but he’s a big, athletic wing. Podz plays bigger than his height but Whitmore might have brought more size and athleticism to the front court.

We got the best guard in the draft so far which was a bigger need than another forward, even one as talented as Whitmore. I don't think we can second guess the pick.

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #78 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Mon Feb 5, 2024 5:24 am

Nice floor.
Playable right out of the box.
Not a bust.
I wonder what his ceiling will be.

wco81 · Post #79 » by **wco81** » Mon Feb 5, 2024 7:40 am

GQ Hot Dog wrote:
wco81 wrote:Too early to second guess picking Podz at #19. He’s been a good surprise.

But Whitmore chosen at #20 is coming on a bit more, averaging more in points, shooting about the same. Podz rebounding better.

I don’t know how Whitmore does on defense but he’s a big, athletic wing. Podz plays bigger than his height but Whitmore might have brought more size and athleticism to the front court.

We got the best guard in the draft so far which was a bigger need than another forward, even one as talented as Whitmore. I don't think we can second guess the pick.

Sure we can.

It's been only about 50 games so far.

They will evaluate prospects for a couple more seasons, while they're on the verge of getting a second contract.

Did you see they kind of hunted Pods, with DJM going after him, scoring over him just inside the elbow and giving the "too small" symbol?

Actually DJM dipped his shoulder into Podz, making him stumble backwards, giving DJM a clean 10 footer. That is where some size and athleticism would prevent such a move.

Remember this was in OT where Wiggins had left the game with injury and Kuminga fouled out.

The big stronger guys like Kuminga are muscling over defenders and then pulling up for 5-8 foot easy looks. That's the kind of body and athleticism that Whitmore has.

Now you can say he would have been redundant but imagine if Whitmore improves by his third season the way JK has. Not saying he'd be a #1 any more than JK will be.

But in spots they might be #2, at least in the regular season.

Podz BBIQ is great but size and athleticism don't hurt either.

billinder33 · Post #80 » by **billinder33** » Mon Feb 5, 2024 8:21 pm

wco81 wrote:Did you see they kind of hunted Pods, with DJM going after him, scoring over him just inside the elbow and giving the "too small" symbol?

Actually DJM dipped his shoulder into Podz, making him stumble backwards, giving DJM a clean 10 footer. That is where some size and athleticism would prevent such a move.

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Podz BBIQ is great but size and athleticism don't hurt either.

I like to give skinny NBA Rookies a couple seasons of NBA strength and conditioning programs before assessing their athletic potential, because most players don't enter the league with an NBA-ready body like Labron. Sometimes these guys make massive gains (have you seen the shoulders on Kuminga lately?), and sometimes they don't (Dunleavy Jr). But you really don't know in year 1 what their true strength potential is.

Even Curry eventually filled out some upper body strength and became a plus defender in his prime against guys his size. Guarding up in size/position is a problem for most players. If Podz had the strength and savvy to match a 6-year pro like DJM as a rook, he wouldn't have lasted to pick #19.