Miami Heat 2024 Regular Season - Thread 4.0

[AirP.]

Here's a crazy thought but the situation at PF makes me even consider it. What about some package built around Herro or (Robinson and Martin) for Andrew Wiggins. If Miami had ANYTHING that resembled a real starting level PF I wouldn't even, consider it. I think Miami's environment and Spoelstra could get the most out of what he still has left at age 28(almost 29).

Before you say no, just consider who much better the offense and defense would be throughout the game with a scoring option at PF that isn't just jacking up wide open 3s.

I wouldn't move Herro for him, but maybe Robinson/Martin.

That being said, I don't think Wiggins is the answer and I don't see why GSW would want Duncan and Martin.... or even Herro.

To move his contract and open up minutes for Kuminga and Podziemski without having to warp the rotation oddly to get them minutes. It could potentially let GS remove some long-term salary to save ownership a ton of money since Martin may be a FA this summer. I'd expect it would be easier to part out Robinson and Martin for GS than it would be to move Wiggins.

[IceColdCubano]

Clippers shot 10-16 when defended by Jimmy last night, hes not locked in defensively yet.

Highsmith: 3-13
Bam: 1-7
Martin: 4-11
Rozier: 9-19

Jaime got torched too at 7-11

I just want to throw out some advanced stats looking at who is our worst offender giving up Offensive boards.
I am disregarding Guards, Terry, Herro, Josh, RJ, Kyle, Dru from the stats shown. Also took out guys who barely play like Cole Swider, Looking at Bigger wings & Forwards Center on this team to understand the affect of playing smaller forwards like Caleb, Highsmith, JJJ, Duncan at the PF spots. Also include the big man on the team for reference.

Contested OREB -
Best Top 3: Bam@1.3, Jimmy@1.2, Thomas@1.0
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@0.4, Caleb Martin@0.5, Jamal Cain@0.6 3way tied w/ Love/Jovic all at 0.6

Contested OREB% -
Best Top 3: Thomas@76.0, Orlando R@68.4, Love@63.2
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@41.4, Duncan@45.5, Caleb@46.2

OREB Chances -
Best Top 3: Bam@4.9, Orlando R@4.4, Jimmy@4.1
Worst Top 3: Duncan@0.8, Highsmith@1.8, Love@2.2

Tell me what you see!!!! And why all the defensive stats area great but size is the difference from letting that guy miss a couple and still get in back over you, inflating your defensive FG% but still being a detriment at that position.

[IceColdCubano]

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It’s time.

This is the type of skilled guard to would actually change our outlook far greater than a Rozier or Murray would ever.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Clippers shot 10-16 when defended by Jimmy last night, hes not locked in defensively yet.

Highsmith: 3-13
Bam: 1-7
Martin: 4-11
Rozier: 9-19

Jaime got torched too at 7-11

I just want to throw out some advanced stats looking at who is our worst offender giving up Offensive boards.
I am disregarding Guards, Terry, Herro, Josh, RJ, Kyle, Dru from the stats shown. Also took out guys who barely play like Cole Swider, Looking at Bigger wings & Forwards Center on this team to understand the affect of playing smaller forwards like Caleb, Highsmith, JJJ, Duncan at the PF spots. Also include the big man on the team for reference.

Contested OREB -
Best Top 3: Bam@1.3, Jimmy@1.2, Thomas@1.0
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@0.4, Caleb Martin@0.5, Jamal Cain@0.6 3way tied w/ Love/Jovic all at 0.6

Contested OREB% -
Best Top 3: Thomas@76.0, Orlando R@68.4, Love@63.2
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@41.4, Duncan@45.5, Caleb@46.2

OREB Chances -
Best Top 3: Bam@4.9, Orlando R@4.4, Jimmy@4.1
Worst Top 3: Duncan@0.8, Highsmith@1.8, Love@2.2

Tell me what you see!!!! And why all the defensive stats area great but size is the difference from letting that guy miss a couple and still get in back over you, inflating your defensive FG% but still being a detriment at that position.

If you go back and watch I doubt you see guys continuously missing shots and getting their rebounds over guys to inflate their defensive numbers lol and I mean, if you get a stop your teammates needs to be crashing the boards with you to secure the ball

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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It’s time.

This is the type of skilled guard to would actually change our outlook far greater than a Rozier or Murray would ever.

Without doubt, believe Dallas has been interested in Herro too. Make Terry the 6MOY and let’s ride

[IceColdCubano]

Clippers shot 10-16 when defended by Jimmy last night, hes not locked in defensively yet.

Highsmith: 3-13
Bam: 1-7
Martin: 4-11
Rozier: 9-19

Jaime got torched too at 7-11

I just want to throw out some advanced stats looking at who is our worst offender giving up Offensive boards.
I am disregarding Guards, Terry, Herro, Josh, RJ, Kyle, Dru from the stats shown. Also took out guys who barely play like Cole Swider, Looking at Bigger wings & Forwards Center on this team to understand the affect of playing smaller forwards like Caleb, Highsmith, JJJ, Duncan at the PF spots. Also include the big man on the team for reference.

Contested OREB -
Best Top 3: Bam@1.3, Jimmy@1.2, Thomas@1.0
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@0.4, Caleb Martin@0.5, Jamal Cain@0.6 3way tied w/ Love/Jovic all at 0.6

Contested OREB% -
Best Top 3: Thomas@76.0, Orlando R@68.4, Love@63.2
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@41.4, Duncan@45.5, Caleb@46.2

OREB Chances -
Best Top 3: Bam@4.9, Orlando R@4.4, Jimmy@4.1
Worst Top 3: Duncan@0.8, Highsmith@1.8, Love@2.2

Tell me what you see!!!! And why all the defensive stats area great but size is the difference from letting that guy miss a couple and still get in back over you, inflating your defensive FG% but still being a detriment at that position.

If you go back and watch I doubt you see guys continuously missing shots and getting their rebounds over guys to inflate their defensive numbers lol and I mean, if you get a stop your teammates needs to be crashing the boards with you to secure the ball

The stats are right Infront of you they are showing you that all three of Highsmith, Caleb, Duncan are our worst defenders on offensive rebounds, there's nothing else to discuss, they are small and or lack athletism to counter. Ive seen games were Highsmith has bothered somebody under the basket to force multiple misses with his scrappiness and effort only to still get scored on because he lacks the size. We are forced to team rebound because more than any other team. These stats aren't about Highsmith standing on the perimeter forcing a miss and your team mates going for the ball, this are individual stats in regards to rebounding itself with the opponent your boxing out against around the basket.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Kyrie as a SG in Dallas: 26-5-6-1.5-1 shooting 40% from 3 on 7+ attempt, 61TS%.

On the same usage as Herro with 1 more shot per game to score 5 more points and 2 more assists.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I just want to throw out some advanced stats looking at who is our worst offender giving up Offensive boards.
I am disregarding Guards, Terry, Herro, Josh, RJ, Kyle, Dru from the stats shown. Also took out guys who barely play like Cole Swider, Looking at Bigger wings & Forwards Center on this team to understand the affect of playing smaller forwards like Caleb, Highsmith, JJJ, Duncan at the PF spots. Also include the big man on the team for reference.

Contested OREB -
Best Top 3: Bam@1.3, Jimmy@1.2, Thomas@1.0
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@0.4, Caleb Martin@0.5, Jamal Cain@0.6 3way tied w/ Love/Jovic all at 0.6

Contested OREB% -
Best Top 3: Thomas@76.0, Orlando R@68.4, Love@63.2
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@41.4, Duncan@45.5, Caleb@46.2

OREB Chances -
Best Top 3: Bam@4.9, Orlando R@4.4, Jimmy@4.1
Worst Top 3: Duncan@0.8, Highsmith@1.8, Love@2.2

Tell me what you see!!!! And why all the defensive stats area great but size is the difference from letting that guy miss a couple and still get in back over you, inflating your defensive FG% but still being a detriment at that position.

If you go back and watch I doubt you see guys continuously missing shots and getting their rebounds over guys to inflate their defensive numbers lol and I mean, if you get a stop your teammates needs to be crashing the boards with you to secure the ball

The stats are right Infront of you they are showing you that all three of Highsmith, Caleb, Duncan are our worst defenders on offensive rebounds, there's nothing else to discuss, they are small and or lack athletism to counter. Ive seen games were Highsmith has bothered somebody under the basket to force multiple misses with his scrappiness and effort only to still get scored on because he lacks the size. We are forced to team rebound because more than any other team. These stats aren't about Highsmith standing on the perimeter forcing a miss and your team mates going for the ball, this are individual stats in regards to rebounding itself with the opponent your boxing out against around the basket.

Where are you pulling those stats?

[AirP.]

If you go back and watch I doubt you see guys continuously missing shots and getting their rebounds over guys to inflate their defensive numbers lol and I mean, if you get a stop your teammates needs to be crashing the boards with you to secure the ball

The stats are right Infront of you they are showing you that all three of Highsmith, Caleb, Duncan are our worst defenders on offensive rebounds, there's nothing else to discuss, they are small and or lack athletism to counter. Ive seen games were Highsmith has bothered somebody under the basket to force multiple misses with his scrappiness and effort only to still get scored on because he lacks the size. We are forced to team rebound because more than any other team. These stats aren't about Highsmith standing on the perimeter forcing a miss and your team mates going for the ball, this are individual stats in regards to rebounding itself with the opponent your boxing out against around the basket.

Where are you pulling those stats?

NBA.com has a ton of stats you can find...
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/offensive-rebounding?TeamID=1610612748&dir=D&sort=OREB_CONTEST

[3ammy3uck3ts]

So those are Highsmiths offensive rebounding numbers when we’re on offense, not the amount of offensive rebounds he’s giving up.

[jbsays]

I mean even the eye test tells you Heat need more size. And it's not even guys like Highsmith, Robinson, or Martin's fault..... they play hard, they're just undersized for the role.


As for Kyrie... Spo might be the type of "new age" coach who could help him excel, but I feel like it's only a matter of time before Kyrie does something again and I just don't see the Heat wanting to deal with it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Clippers shot 10-16 when defended by Jimmy last night, hes not locked in defensively yet.

Highsmith: 3-13
Bam: 1-7
Martin: 4-11
Rozier: 9-19

Jaime got torched too at 7-11

I just want to throw out some advanced stats looking at who is our worst offender giving up Offensive boards.
I am disregarding Guards, Terry, Herro, Josh, RJ, Kyle, Dru from the stats shown. Also took out guys who barely play like Cole Swider, Looking at Bigger wings & Forwards Center on this team to understand the affect of playing smaller forwards like Caleb, Highsmith, JJJ, Duncan at the PF spots. Also include the big man on the team for reference.

Contested OREB -
Best Top 3: Bam@1.3, Jimmy@1.2, Thomas@1.0
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@0.4, Caleb Martin@0.5, Jamal Cain@0.6 3way tied w/ Love/Jovic all at 0.6

Contested OREB% -
Best Top 3: Thomas@76.0, Orlando R@68.4, Love@63.2
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@41.4, Duncan@45.5, Caleb@46.2

OREB Chances -
Best Top 3: Bam@4.9, Orlando R@4.4, Jimmy@4.1
Worst Top 3: Duncan@0.8, Highsmith@1.8, Love@2.2

Tell me what you see!!!! And why all the defensive stats area great but size is the difference from letting that guy miss a couple and still get in back over you, inflating your defensive FG% but still being a detriment at that position.

I think you’re confused on the meaning of the stats

[IceColdCubano]

So those are Highsmiths offensive rebounding numbers when we’re on offense, not the amount of offensive rebounds he’s giving up.

Those are opponent Offensive rebounding numbers.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

So those are Highsmiths offensive rebounding numbers when we’re on offense, not the amount of offensive rebounds he’s giving up.

Those are opponent Offensive rebounding numbers.

It isn’t lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Highsmith averages 0.9 Orebs a game, 0.4 of those are contested meaning he’s having to fight with someone else to get them, 0.5 are not meaning they likely just fall into his lap or he’s in the right place at the right time. None of that has to do with what’s happening on the defensive end

[IceColdCubano]

Clippers shot 10-16 when defended by Jimmy last night, hes not locked in defensively yet.

Highsmith: 3-13
Bam: 1-7
Martin: 4-11
Rozier: 9-19

Jaime got torched too at 7-11

I just want to throw out some advanced stats looking at who is our worst offender giving up Offensive boards.
I am disregarding Guards, Terry, Herro, Josh, RJ, Kyle, Dru from the stats shown. Also took out guys who barely play like Cole Swider, Looking at Bigger wings & Forwards Center on this team to understand the affect of playing smaller forwards like Caleb, Highsmith, JJJ, Duncan at the PF spots. Also include the big man on the team for reference.

Contested OREB -
Best Top 3: Bam@1.3, Jimmy@1.2, Thomas@1.0
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@0.4, Caleb Martin@0.5, Jamal Cain@0.6 3way tied w/ Love/Jovic all at 0.6

Contested OREB% -
Best Top 3: Thomas@76.0, Orlando R@68.4, Love@63.2
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@41.4, Duncan@45.5, Caleb@46.2

OREB Chances -
Best Top 3: Bam@4.9, Orlando R@4.4, Jimmy@4.1
Worst Top 3: Duncan@0.8, Highsmith@1.8, Love@2.2

Tell me what you see!!!! And why all the defensive stats area great but size is the difference from letting that guy miss a couple and still get in back over you, inflating your defensive FG% but still being a detriment at that position.

I think you’re confused on the meaning of the stats

He is still our worst Offensive Rebounder, even if that is what's being tracked, doesn't change the fact he is small. His defensive rebounding numbers are also bad in comparison to the rest of the team.

[dubasilva]

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It’s time.

This is the type of skilled guard to would actually change our outlook far greater than a Rozier or Murray would ever.

He's a great player. He is a little bit strange, personally, but a player. Can we convince our owner?

What would it take to make this trade work? Do we have the assets?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I just want to throw out some advanced stats looking at who is our worst offender giving up Offensive boards.
I am disregarding Guards, Terry, Herro, Josh, RJ, Kyle, Dru from the stats shown. Also took out guys who barely play like Cole Swider, Looking at Bigger wings & Forwards Center on this team to understand the affect of playing smaller forwards like Caleb, Highsmith, JJJ, Duncan at the PF spots. Also include the big man on the team for reference.

Contested OREB -
Best Top 3: Bam@1.3, Jimmy@1.2, Thomas@1.0
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@0.4, Caleb Martin@0.5, Jamal Cain@0.6 3way tied w/ Love/Jovic all at 0.6

Contested OREB% -
Best Top 3: Thomas@76.0, Orlando R@68.4, Love@63.2
Worst Top 3: Highsmith@41.4, Duncan@45.5, Caleb@46.2

OREB Chances -
Best Top 3: Bam@4.9, Orlando R@4.4, Jimmy@4.1
Worst Top 3: Duncan@0.8, Highsmith@1.8, Love@2.2

Tell me what you see!!!! And why all the defensive stats area great but size is the difference from letting that guy miss a couple and still get in back over you, inflating your defensive FG% but still being a detriment at that position.

I think you’re confused on the meaning of the stats

He is still our worst Offensive Rebounder, even if that is what's being tracked, doesn't change the fact he is small. His defensive rebounding numbers are also bad in comparison to the rest of the team.

Adjusted to a per minute basis maybe not, regardless that wasn’t the point you were trying to make as those numbers have nothing to do with the defensive side of the ball

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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It’s time.

This is the type of skilled guard to would actually change our outlook far greater than a Rozier or Murray would ever.

He's a great player. He is a little bit strange, personally, but a player. Can we convince our owner?

What would it take to make this trade work? Do we have the assets?

It won’t happen unfortunately