BKN - SAC

[bpcox05]

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BKN Gets: Davion Mitchell, Chris Duarte, & 2025 POR 2nd
BKN Gives: Royce O’Neale
Why for BKN? The Nets are currently the 11th seed with a 19-28 record. Instead of keeping their 30+ year old expiring and risk losing him for nothing next years, they ship him off for a likely early 2nd and two previous lottery picks who still have 1.5 years left on their rookie deals. It’s important to note that Mitchell and Duarte are also RFAs in the 2025 off-season allowing BKN to preserve their cap space if they want to go big game hunting.

PG - Dinwiddie / Mitchell / Smith Jr.
SG - Bridges / Thomas / Walker
SF - Johnson / Duarte / Whitehead
PF - Finney-Smith / Simmons / Watford / Clowney
C - Claxton / Sharpe / Giles

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SAC Gets: Royce O’Neale
SAC Gives: Davion Mitchell, Chris Duarte, & 2025 POR 2nd
Why for Kings? The Kings bring in a veteran 3&D wing who can help elevate their defense while still giving space for Fox and Sabonis to operate. Although O’Neale isn’t much of a scorer, the Kings should have more than enough options in the starting lineup to compensate (Fox, Murray, Barnes, & Sabonis) allowing them to move Huerter’s production to the bench while matching up O’Neale’s defense on opposing teams starters. If the Kings can resign O’Neale to a reasonable deal in the off-season, he may end up holding more trade value than what they surrendered in this trade (good ROI with trade assets).

PG - Fox / Monk / Ellis
SG - O’Neale / Huerter / Jones
SF - Murray / Vezenkov / Edwards
PF - Barnes / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Len / McGee

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[Texas Chuck]

Guess it comes down to what Brooklyn thinks of the players. If they see something then sure this seems fine. Otherwise I think they'd rather just get a meh expiring and a couple 2nds.

Like the target for the Kings more than spending more for Kuzma though.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

This is underwhelming for Brooklyn.

I think they’ll have better offers to choose from.

[TheNetsFan]

This type of deal makes a lot of sense, though Brooklyn may prefer only one of the two guys back. Portland should still be bad next season, so I would rather target one high 2nd versus multiple low 2nds. Maybe Sacramento could kick in another 2nd, but that Portland pick would be my focus in a Royce deal given a 1st likely won't happen.

[OGSactownballer]

While the value is pretty equal, OP is selling Royce as a wing when traditionally on a playoff team he is an undersized PF in his best role and that doesn’t help our size need at the position. We have plenty of 6’7” players playing out of position at the PF spot.

I’d much rather do the similar deal with TOR for Schroeder and get the experience and solid scoring ability and good defense at the B/u PG and then look to upsize off the buyout market or by moving Barnes with a pick.

[R-DAWG]

I have O'Neale with fringe 1st rd pick talent so taking a swing on two former lottery picks is interesting. Both guys showed rotation potential during their first season but struggled the past 1.5 years - in some ways due to roster fit. More upside here than a Royce for a late 1st or 2 2nds type of package.

[LightTheBeam]

While the value is pretty equal, OP is selling Royce as a wing when traditionally on a playoff team he is an undersized PF in his best role and that doesn’t help our size need at the position. We have plenty of 6’7” players playing out of position at the PF spot.

I’d much rather do the similar deal with TOR for Schroeder and get the experience and solid scoring ability and good defense at the B/u PG and then look to upsize off the buyout market or by moving Barnes with a pick.

If we live in a world where Barnes/Huerter both stay, we have 2 spots to fill, and really only enough expendable contracts to solve one. I see arguments for both. Could definitely use a backup pg, but could also use another defensive wing. Going to be a fun deadline

[bpcox05]

While the value is pretty equal, OP is selling Royce as a wing when traditionally on a playoff team he is an undersized PF in his best role and that doesn’t help our size need at the position. We have plenty of 6’7” players playing out of position at the PF spot.

I’d much rather do the similar deal with TOR for Schroeder and get the experience and solid scoring ability and good defense at the B/u PG and then look to upsize off the buyout market or by moving Barnes with a pick.

This seems like an odd take…what makes you think O’Neale can’t play SG?

[OGSactownballer]

While the value is pretty equal, OP is selling Royce as a wing when traditionally on a playoff team he is an undersized PF in his best role and that doesn’t help our size need at the position. We have plenty of 6’7” players playing out of position at the PF spot.

I’d much rather do the similar deal with TOR for Schroeder and get the experience and solid scoring ability and good defense at the B/u PG and then look to upsize off the buyout market or by moving Barnes with a pick.

If we live in a world where Barnes/Huerter both stay, we have 2 spots to fill, and really only enough expendable contracts to solve one. I see arguments for both. Could definitely use a backup pg, but could also use another defensive wing. Going to be a fun deadline

Keep in mind that you are opening two spots with one guy coming back if you do either a deal for Royce or for Schroeder. You are sending both Davion and Duarte in either deal so you keep a spot open for either a waiver signing or another move where space/money needs to be filled.

[OGSactownballer]

While the value is pretty equal, OP is selling Royce as a wing when traditionally on a playoff team he is an undersized PF in his best role and that doesn’t help our size need at the position. We have plenty of 6’7” players playing out of position at the PF spot.

I’d much rather do the similar deal with TOR for Schroeder and get the experience and solid scoring ability and good defense at the B/u PG and then look to upsize off the buyout market or by moving Barnes with a pick.

This seems like an odd take…what makes you think O’Neale can’t play SG?

I liked Royce a lot with Itah but I felt that his best games came playing at PF not the wing spots. I just don’t think he a good enough guy in iso I. Space to make that work right. Remember you would be replacing Huerter whose biggest thing is how he is constantly moving on offense to make the DHO work and the shots open up. I don’t ever remember seeing Royce play in that style. He shined most in a half court set with a defined role that was primarily three and D (which is being in place for a set shot with feet set). Huerter I feel shoots best and cleanest off motion.

But keep in mind that Royce would do that when he was with the Jazz and had Gobert as a backstop to handle bigger guys.

[BK_2020]

Worth it just to get out of Davion and Duarte's contracts.

[LightTheBeam]

While the value is pretty equal, OP is selling Royce as a wing when traditionally on a playoff team he is an undersized PF in his best role and that doesn’t help our size need at the position. We have plenty of 6’7” players playing out of position at the PF spot.

I’d much rather do the similar deal with TOR for Schroeder and get the experience and solid scoring ability and good defense at the B/u PG and then look to upsize off the buyout market or by moving Barnes with a pick.

If we live in a world where Barnes/Huerter both stay, we have 2 spots to fill, and really only enough expendable contracts to solve one. I see arguments for both. Could definitely use a backup pg, but could also use another defensive wing. Going to be a fun deadline

Keep in mind that you are opening two spots with one guy coming back if you do either a deal for Royce or for Schroeder. You are sending both Davion and Duarte in either deal so you keep a spot open for either a waiver signing or another move where space/money needs to be filled.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens this year. With so many of the contenders hard capped out of the buy out market. Usually I never expect Sac to be able to grab guys like that and I'm still skeptical that we lure them over Minnesota, OKC, Philly, LA.. but it truly would be nice to fill one of those spots like that.

[ecuhus1981]

I like it, it's not my favorite Oneale trade but it's acceptable. I was high on Off Night coming out of Baylor. He hasn't found it yet in the NBA, but as Dennis Smith shows, Cam Thomas benefits from a having a 3&D backcourt mate. Duarte is old for being a 3rd year player, but he might have some upside still. The POR 2nd is the thing that makes it worthwhile though.

[OGSactownballer]

I like it, it's not my favorite Oneale trade but it's acceptable. I was high on Off Night coming out of Baylor. He hasn't found it yet in the NBA, but as Dennis Smith shows, Cam Thomas benefits from a having a 3&D backcourt mate. Duarte is old for being a 3rd year player, but he might have some upside still. The POR 2nd is the thing that makes it worthwhile though.

Thank you for a realistic take.

Honestly that POR second is essentially a no guarantee first for the guys that drop down and is likely the best that would be offered (in the real world not Real GM world) for a guy like Royce.

[bpcox05]

While the value is pretty equal, OP is selling Royce as a wing when traditionally on a playoff team he is an undersized PF in his best role and that doesn’t help our size need at the position. We have plenty of 6’7” players playing out of position at the PF spot.

I’d much rather do the similar deal with TOR for Schroeder and get the experience and solid scoring ability and good defense at the B/u PG and then look to upsize off the buyout market or by moving Barnes with a pick.

This seems like an odd take…what makes you think O’Neale can’t play SG?

I liked Royce a lot with Itah but I felt that his best games came playing at PF not the wing spots. I just don’t think he a good enough guy in iso I. Space to make that work right. Remember you would be replacing Huerter whose biggest thing is how he is constantly moving on offense to make the DHO work and the shots open up. I don’t ever remember seeing Royce play in that style. He shined most in a half court set with a defined role that was primarily three and D (which is being in place for a set shot with feet set). Huerter I feel shoots best and cleanest off motion.

But keep in mind that Royce would do that when he was with the Jazz and had Gobert as a backstop to handle bigger guys.

I don’t think that’s really accurate. O’Neale has been asked to defend in space/on the perimeter plenty. He defended Morant in the 2021 playoffs, defended Harden in the 2018 playoffs, he’s guarded guys like Holiday, Ant, Beal, Ball, Brunson, Lillard, etc. in the past. Just because he’s also very strong and sometimes guards bigger guys, it doesn’t mean he’s not equipped to guard SGs. He’s a very versatile defender who can guard multiple positions. That’s a good thing. It shouldn’t be used as evidence that he can’t guard SGs.

As for offensively, of course he’s not the movement shooter Huerter is. How many players in the league are that level of a shooter and are a plus on defense? That’s a short list.

It’s not like O’Neale is a low volume shooter either. He’s been averaging 6.7 3PA per 36 minutes on 38.0% shooting the past 2 seasons. Huerter is at 7.1 3PA per 36 minutes on 38.3% the past 2 seasons. Again, I think Huerter is a better movement shooter and he’s better hitting 3s off of screens/DHOs but O’Neale’s volume largely is on par with Huerter’s because he actually hits 3s well beyond the 3PT line (stretching the defense that much more).

I think of O’Neale as a Lyles level shooter and with Murray & Barnes on the floor to fill the scoring roles and movement shooter roles, having a Lyles level shooter with plus defense seems like a solid trade off. And let’s not forget…Huerter is still on the roster after this trade. His movement shooting from the SG spot is still an option for us.

[OGSactownballer]

This seems like an odd take…what makes you think O’Neale can’t play SG?

I liked Royce a lot with Itah but I felt that his best games came playing at PF not the wing spots. I just don’t think he a good enough guy in iso I. Space to make that work right. Remember you would be replacing Huerter whose biggest thing is how he is constantly moving on offense to make the DHO work and the shots open up. I don’t ever remember seeing Royce play in that style. He shined most in a half court set with a defined role that was primarily three and D (which is being in place for a set shot with feet set). Huerter I feel shoots best and cleanest off motion.

But keep in mind that Royce would do that when he was with the Jazz and had Gobert as a backstop to handle bigger guys.

I don’t think that’s really accurate. O’Neale has been asked to defend in space/on the perimeter plenty. He defended Morant in the 2021 playoffs, defended Harden in the 2018 playoffs, he’s guarded guys like Holiday, Ant, Beal, Ball, Brunson, Lillard, etc. in the past. Just because he’s also very strong and sometimes guards bigger guys, it doesn’t mean he’s not equipped to guard SGs. He’s a very versatile defender who can guard multiple positions. That’s a good thing. It shouldn’t be used as evidence that he can’t guard SGs.

As for offensively, of course he’s not the movement shooter Huerter is. How many players in the league are that level of a shooter and are a plus on defense? That’s a short list.

It’s not like O’Neale is a low volume shooter either. He’s been averaging 6.7 3PA per 36 minutes on 38.0% shooting the past 2 seasons. Huerter is at 7.1 3PA per 36 minutes on 38.3% the past 2 seasons. Again, I think Huerter is a better movement shooter and he’s better hitting 3s off of screens/DHOs but O’Neale’s volume largely is on par with Huerter’s because he actually hits 3s well beyond the 3PT line (stretching the defense that much more).

I think of O’Neale as a Lyles level shooter and with Murray & Barnes on the floor to fill the scoring roles and movement shooter roles, having a Lyles level shooter with plus defense seems like a solid trade off. And let’s not forget…Huerter is still on the roster after this trade. His movement shooting from the SG spot is still an option for us.

I get what you are saying and I actually would be fine getting him here for bench depth and balance though not with the intention of starting him. So that precludes sending Barnes there and means that BRK would have to be good with a Davion/Duarte and POR second package that 1) I don’t know if they would go for and 2) means that you are committing to Keon Ellis as the full time B/u PG (not sure he’s ready for that yet this season) or making Monk take that on which may or may not work as he does better being a free mover.

And keep mind that some of those guard assignment he had in the past he was younger and that might not work as effectively now.

[TheNetsFan]

I liked Royce a lot with Itah but I felt that his best games came playing at PF not the wing spots. I just don’t think he a good enough guy in iso I. Space to make that work right. Remember you would be replacing Huerter whose biggest thing is how he is constantly moving on offense to make the DHO work and the shots open up. I don’t ever remember seeing Royce play in that style. He shined most in a half court set with a defined role that was primarily three and D (which is being in place for a set shot with feet set). Huerter I feel shoots best and cleanest off motion.

But keep in mind that Royce would do that when he was with the Jazz and had Gobert as a backstop to handle bigger guys.

I don’t think that’s really accurate. O’Neale has been asked to defend in space/on the perimeter plenty. He defended Morant in the 2021 playoffs, defended Harden in the 2018 playoffs, he’s guarded guys like Holiday, Ant, Beal, Ball, Brunson, Lillard, etc. in the past. Just because he’s also very strong and sometimes guards bigger guys, it doesn’t mean he’s not equipped to guard SGs. He’s a very versatile defender who can guard multiple positions. That’s a good thing. It shouldn’t be used as evidence that he can’t guard SGs.

As for offensively, of course he’s not the movement shooter Huerter is. How many players in the league are that level of a shooter and are a plus on defense? That’s a short list.

It’s not like O’Neale is a low volume shooter either. He’s been averaging 6.7 3PA per 36 minutes on 38.0% shooting the past 2 seasons. Huerter is at 7.1 3PA per 36 minutes on 38.3% the past 2 seasons. Again, I think Huerter is a better movement shooter and he’s better hitting 3s off of screens/DHOs but O’Neale’s volume largely is on par with Huerter’s because he actually hits 3s well beyond the 3PT line (stretching the defense that much more).

I think of O’Neale as a Lyles level shooter and with Murray & Barnes on the floor to fill the scoring roles and movement shooter roles, having a Lyles level shooter with plus defense seems like a solid trade off. And let’s not forget…Huerter is still on the roster after this trade. His movement shooting from the SG spot is still an option for us.

I get what you are saying and I actually would be fine getting him here for bench depth and balance though not with the intention of starting him. So that precludes sending Barnes there and means that BRK would have to be good with a Davion/Duarte and POR second package that 1) I don’t know if they would go for and 2) means that you are committing to Keon Ellis as the full time B/u PG (not sure he’s ready for that yet this season) or making Monk take that on which may or may not work as he does better being a free mover.

And keep mind that some of those guard assignment he had in the past he was younger and that might not work as effectively now.

Personally, I'd do Davion & the Portland 2nd for O'Neale if that's on the table. I'm not sure what the Nets FO wants though. Give me the one very likely high 2nd over multiple late 2nds.