Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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No idea how reliable Mike Scotto is

I’m good adding Tyus but he seems destined for a bench role as we improve. No way Tyus and Cole can coexist on the bench.

Tyus helps us this year beyond that I don’t think he will be a big impact.

Dream land but I'd be thrilled if we replaced Tyus for Cole and packaged our 2024 1st & Cole for something on draft night. Cole doesn't do anything for us except a random microwave night. If we move for a proper SG like Kennard and then added Tyus we'd be much better set up for future.

[89Magicfan]

You need a guard who can off set Suggs. You have two who aren’t very efficient bring up the ball and consistently creating plays.

[Knightro]

This feels needlessly presumptuous.

"content" was your word, not mine.

I guess through a long list of contortions, you can make it mean whatever you want; ultimately, the FO is not content with where the team is at today. No front office would be as the goal of a championship is still a ways away.

I am sure that there is a degree of satisfaction in obtaining 3 stars in 2 drafts, and 1 of those stars appears to have the potential to be a superstar.

When a team has almost no probability of winning a championship, the FO responsibility is to do whatever it takes to make the team better.

When a team is in the Magic's current position there is 1 more responsibility: don't screw up what you have.

It feels like we are arguing semantics a little bit, no?

I don't disagree in the slightest that the Magic as presently constructed can't win the NBA championship. So from that more broad perspective, I think Weltman would agree that there's more work to be done.

I think where it's getting lost in the translation is how soon Weltman is willing to actually take the steps needed to address the roster shortcomings and build a team that could potentially compete for the championship.

I don't think those steps are all that close to happening.

Thus my sense that Weltman is "content" was very much focused on him being "content" with the progress we've seen to date and "content" with letting the process continue to play out slowly.

I think you (somewhat intentionally if we're being candid) misrepresented what I said like I meant "Weltman is content with the roster as constructed for the rest of time" which is quite clearly not what I was saying.

[Skybox]

I'd do it. Goga is good but there is a reason last year he was straight up cut. Those type of centers are easily found on the market in the summer every year. Got to give to get, and Kennard is a top 10 pure shooter in the league

Nah, I read somewhere that Goga has played into serious, legit value. The Magic hit a homerun waiver wire pick up and now they have his bird rights and home advantage.

seems somewhat /S

if they like him so much he'd be playing vs collecting DNP's

It's a bit of a reach for me to believe, but it's not impossible that WCJ is moved this week and we needed to show the world he's healthy and versatile (he's looked good). I'd be happy to see Goga starting the day after WCJ is a key part of a trade for the guard we need a lot more than we need WCJ (vs Goga). Honestly, even if Goga didn't stick around, got overpaid, etc...I still like our chances of getting a suitable defensive-minded rim runner somewhere than finding a suitable scoring guard off someones's trash heap.

As far as "renting" a sniper for a tryout and possible re-signing...I like GTJ over Kennard (assuming we're talking about Fultz or Harris and srps for either). He's younger than you'd assume, has actually shown a shred of defense historically, and, most concerning to me, Kennard has a more significant chronic knee injury. Heild is too expensive for the same role and, if he did well, he'd probably be more expensive to keep. I really like AJ Griffin, for the same role and he's essentially out of ATL's rotation behind Bey and Bogie. Griffin and Paolo have obvious history in the same roles and he seems like there could be more to his game too. Most of his year at Duke, he was mocked in the top 5 and dropped into ATL's lap. He might not cost much or, best yet, could be hidden in a Murray trade.

I do like the idea of getting someone in - even if just to test the theory that a high-volume, feared 3pt shooter might open things up. Hopefully, Jett is the other one that makes us impossible to defend.

[AaronB]

This feels needlessly presumptuous.

"content" was your word, not mine.

I guess through a long list of contortions, you can make it mean whatever you want; ultimately, the FO is not content with where the team is at today. No front office would be as the goal of a championship is still a ways away.

I am sure that there is a degree of satisfaction in obtaining 3 stars in 2 drafts, and 1 of those stars appears to have the potential to be a superstar.

When a team has almost no probability of winning a championship, the FO responsibility is to do whatever it takes to make the team better.

When a team is in the Magic's current position there is 1 more responsibility: don't screw up what you have.

It feels like we are arguing semantics a little bit, no?

I don't disagree in the slightest that the Magic as presently constructed can't win the NBA championship. So from that more broad perspective, I think Weltman would agree that there's more work to be done.

I think where it's getting lost in the translation is how soon Weltman is willing to actually take the steps needed to address the roster shortcomings and build a team that could potentially compete for the championship.

I don't think those steps are all that close to happening.

Thus my sense that Weltman is "content" was very much focused on him being "content" with the progress we've seen to date and "content" with letting the process continue to play out slowly.

I think you (somewhat intentionally if we're being candid) misrepresented what I said like I meant "Weltman is content with the roster as constructed for the rest of time" which is quite clearly not what I was saying.

To the extent that you said that the FO is content with the current team, I guess one could call that a semantic issue.

Except for the fact that you have been needlessly condescending in every reply post, I probably would have let it drop by now.

The simple fact is that the Magic FO is both content and not content with the current team. Content in that there are clear signs of progress and clear signs of future growth into a very powerful basketball team.

Not content in that the team is not a championship team yet.

Satisfied and not satisfied at the same time also.

The whole point is that many posting are frustrated at the fact the FO has not done anything to improve the team in season. They portray a FO that is content in that they don't have to keep doing their job.

My point is that they are not content and want to improve the team just like the fans. However, at what expense? Anthony Black + firsts for Murray? That sounds like desperation. Desperation is never a great decision place.

[JoshuaPotter]

So briefly. Is there any actual buzz surrounding us at the trade deadline? We usually keep thinks super close to the chest, but if there was a time for something to link. Today - Feb 8th is the time.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Nah, I read somewhere that Goga has played into serious, legit value. The Magic hit a homerun waiver wire pick up and now they have his bird rights and home advantage.

seems somewhat /S

if they like him so much he'd be playing vs collecting DNP's

It's a bit of a reach for me to believe, but it's not impossible that WCJ is moved this week and we needed to show the world he's healthy and versatile (he's looked good). I'd be happy to see Goga starting the day after WCJ is a key part of a trade for the guard we need a lot more than we need WCJ (vs Goga). Honestly, even if Goga didn't stick around, got overpaid, etc...I still like our chances of getting a suitable defensive-minded rim runner somewhere than finding a suitable scoring guard off someones's trash heap.

As far as "renting" a sniper for a tryout and possible re-signing...I like GTJ over Kennard (assuming we're talking about Fultz or Harris and srps for either). He's younger than you'd assume, has actually shown a shred of defense historically, and, most concerning to me, Kennard has a more significant chronic knee injury. Heild is too expensive for the same role and, if he did well, he'd probably be more expensive to keep. I really like AJ Griffin, for the same role and he's essentially out of ATL's rotation behind Bey and Bogie. Griffin and Paolo have obvious history in the same roles and he seems like there could be more to his game too. Most of his year at Duke, he was mocked in the top 5 and dropped into ATL's lap. He might not cost much or, best yet, could be hidden in a Murray trade.

I do like the idea of getting someone in - even if just to test the theory that a high-volume, feared 3pt shooter might open things up. Hopefully, Jett is the other one that makes us impossible to defend.

Kennard was a bare minimum and very capable move that also doesn't have long-term money attached to him or a FA we have to chase.

I'd love a GTJ or Brogdon or Tyus but I have a feeling we'll be too passive and left with the bottom barrel stuff.

At worse this FA period we should be able to upgrade the SG & C spot with cap space we have and i'm not talking 1 year BS thank you deals.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

So briefly. Is there any actual buzz surrounding us at the trade deadline? We usually keep thinks super close to the chest, but if there was a time for something to link. Today - Feb 8th is the time.

Lowry
CP3
Tyus

are 3 names that have been mentioned from somewhat credible sources.

We play tonight and, on the 8th, would imagine tomorrow something could be done unless we wait/have to battle other offers. We have enough bodies for replacements and are playing the Spurs at home. Could easily call up Jett or Macclung if needed

[Magicman125]

So briefly. Is there any actual buzz surrounding us at the trade deadline? We usually keep thinks super close to the chest, but if there was a time for something to link. Today - Feb 8th is the time.

Past few days have seen rumblings of us interested in CP3, Lowry, and Tyus Jones. Have also seen speculation we could be one of the teams interested in Doug McDermott. So I think a smaller trade that gets us another floor general type PG and/or a trade for a bench shooter who's more available healthwise than Ingles/Harris have been are likely.

[jezzerinho]

I don't want to talk trash about WCJ, but he has been bad all year. Having an injury and then coming back and still playing poorly isn't necessarily a good thing. He is a shadow of what he was last year and he has not really contributed to many wins since his return.

This... just isn't true. There was a 6 game stretch 1-2 weeks ago where he was literally the most or 2nd most efficient player in the entire LEAGUE (went 41 of 60). He's now shooting 51/40 while playing serviceable defense (besides some bad matchups). He looked really bad the first few games back from his injury when he had that wrap on his hand, but since then has been pretty solid. Misses bunnies, has dumb fouls at times, slow-footed and just refuses to contest sometimes, but then he'll have some huge rebounds and free throws, D up random guys like Jokic or something, stretch the floor, etc.

The issue eventually is that he's basically the same size as Paolo/Franz and what he brings to the table has a bit too much overlap.

I'm on record saying i like Goga more, but I feel like I have to defend WCJ a bit from this weird board-wide push to replace him for no reason. If there's upgrades available over him or for him, that's fine, but I just really disagree with this notion that we're holding our team back by not playing two rookies and Goga more or because Wendell is playing.

Fultz and Harris are the clear upgrades in terms of wasting minutes, and Cole is getting there too after being so vital for us the first month. Ingles is hit or miss but missing a lot lately and Moe W. also has games where he should be limited more.

Far from finding him a poor player, i think WCJ is our biggest asset in terms of a trade.

Hes better suited to a 4.5 type role, finesse center or big PF. We dont need that role so he's a great trade chip.

[flying_mollusk]

The situation with the Heat should be instructive for why you shouldn't make any moves willy nilly or just for the sake of going all in. They gave Charlotte a first round pick that has the potential to be unprotected in 2028, when Butler may be gone. Rozier has played terribly since they got him (obviously could change). Now it is the Heat, so they may have a rebuild already done. But it seems like teams like Orlando should be wary of throwing in long term unprotected firsts.

[eyriq]

My reading of the tea leaves:

Tea leaves
Exhibit A: Harris lost his starting job and is an expiring with no extension in sight
Exhibit B: Fultz is trending down in MPG and health and is an expiring with no extension in sight
Exhibit C: Cole was extended
Exhibit D: two lotto picks where used on guards
Exhibit E: There is smoke that we are looking to trade Fultz and Harris
Exhibit D: There is smoke we are targeting a veteran PG and shooting

Reading
Harris and Fultz have fallen out of favor and are not in our long-term nor near term plans.

I think there is a greater than 60% probability that one or both are traded at the deadline.

Edit: I think the long-term plan is to transition to Black as the starting PG and Jett as the shooter, but I don't think Fultz and Harris make the cut to bridge the gap and we use resources to bring in those bridges via trades.

[JBSouthpaw]

We can't forget to ask "why would we trade for him?"
Does it get us by MIL, PHI or BOS this year? or is it a long play? Those should be our questions when discussing a player.
If it doesn't do either one of these, then I see no reason to give assets away.
Tyus may be an upgrade this year, but it isn't changing our competitiveness with the top teams in the east. We need to figure out who is going to ride shotgun with Franz and Paolo for a few years past this year.

[tooler]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-ex-knicks-sixth-man-immanuel-quickley-is-shooting-his-way-into-raptors-starring-role/

I don’t generally pay attention to other teams because — like relationships — they have plenty of their own problems. But it’s a bummer to read about another team finding their answer at point guard when we’re still rolling out Fultz and picking over scraps on the trade market.

“We knew we needed shooting!”

[Husky1]

Gary Harris isn’t our biggest problem, he will be fine once he gets a few games under his belt. His second half yesterday was good. The most important upgrade for now is replacing Cole. He is killing us. But, the issue is he has this poison pill contract. If we could get Tyus to fill that backup role I’m all in. However I don’t want Tyus as a starter. Doesn’t move the needle. I’d also trade Ingles before Gary. He looks beyond cooked. 11 million salary, added to hopefully Cole/Okeke and picks should get us that upgrade in Coles spot.

[Residual-Heat]

so many of us wanted Immanuel Quickley and for good reason, but what can we do? We didnt have an OG to offer the Knicks.

[Skin]

This feels needlessly presumptuous.

"content" was your word, not mine.

I guess through a long list of contortions, you can make it mean whatever you want; ultimately, the FO is not content with where the team is at today. No front office would be as the goal of a championship is still a ways away.

I am sure that there is a degree of satisfaction in obtaining 3 stars in 2 drafts, and 1 of those stars appears to have the potential to be a superstar.

When a team has almost no probability of winning a championship, the FO responsibility is to do whatever it takes to make the team better.

When a team is in the Magic's current position there is 1 more responsibility: don't screw up what you have.

It feels like we are arguing semantics a little bit, no?

I don't disagree in the slightest that the Magic as presently constructed can't win the NBA championship. So from that more broad perspective, I think Weltman would agree that there's more work to be done.

I think where it's getting lost in the translation is how soon Weltman is willing to actually take the steps needed to address the roster shortcomings and build a team that could potentially compete for the championship.

I don't think those steps are all that close to happening.

Thus my sense that Weltman is "content" was very much focused on him being "content" with the progress we've seen to date and "content" with letting the process continue to play out slowly.

I think you (somewhat intentionally if we're being candid) misrepresented what I said like I meant "Weltman is content with the roster as constructed for the rest of time" which is quite clearly not what I was saying.

To the extent that you said that the FO is content with the current team, I guess one could call that a semantic issue.

Except for the fact that you have been needlessly condescending in every reply post, I probably would have let it drop by now.

The simple fact is that the Magic FO is both content and not content with the current team. Content in that there are clear signs of progress and clear signs of future growth into a very powerful basketball team.

Not content in that the team is not a championship team yet.

Satisfied and not satisfied at the same time also.

The whole point is that many posting are frustrated at the fact the FO has not done anything to improve the team in season. They portray a FO that is content in that they don't have to keep doing their job.

My point is that they are not content and want to improve the team just like the fans. However, at what expense? Anthony Black + firsts for Murray? That sounds like desperation. Desperation is never a great decision place.

I like the convo that you guys are having. LOL@Knightro being condescending. He's sneaky at it. We all are at times, though, huh? haha

My POV is that the Magic should be more aggressive in getting better sooner rather than later. If the Magic are only going to start being serious about entering the contention race once guys like Black and Suggs get better than that is a mistake to me. You fix the weakest link. You don't wait for it to fix itself. Black can continue to come along at his own pace, but he's not an untouchable in trade talks. Same with Suggs although Suggs has a winning mentality (as much as I dislike his inconsistency, he has grit). I don't call it desperation to trade them either. I would call it "You gotta give to get".

Hearing guys say Harris, Futlz, Cole and Denver 1st are enticing assets is a joke. Harris is the new T-Ross. He could be out of the league next year. Fultz's injury is so handicapped that he's probably enjoying his final games before joining the And1 Tour. Cole is annoying and overpaid. These are not players teams covet in any way. 2 second rounders have more value. This is probably not your argument, but we should empower this team to go deeper in the playoffs. ...and we'll need a PG to get there. I want Dejounte Murray.

[Skin]

We can't forget to ask "why would we trade for him?"
Does it get us by MIL, PHI or BOS this year? or is it a long play? Those should be our questions when discussing a player.
If it doesn't do either one of these, then I see no reason to give assets away.
Tyus may be an upgrade this year, but it isn't changing our competitiveness with the top teams in the east. We need to figure out who is going to ride shotgun with Franz and Paolo for a few years past this year.

If we got Dejounte Murray, and gave Jett a chance to be spot up shooter, I would put us in their category.

[Skybox]

The situation with the Heat should be instructive for why you shouldn't make any moves willy nilly or just for the sake of going all in. They gave Charlotte a first round pick that has the potential to be unprotected in 2028, when Butler may be gone. Rozier has played terribly since they got him (obviously could change). Now it is the Heat, so they may have a rebuild already done. But it seems like teams like Orlando should be wary of throwing in long term unprotected firsts.

I don't think you'll want to compare our FO to MIA...they've made mistakes because they've taken swings and have banners to prove it. MIA is NEVER irrelevant and ALWAYS a factor when a good player might be available. I think they blew it ORL style this summer by missing out on both Dame and then Jrue by not throwing in-like they usually do. I'd trade ORL's "lack of bad moves" for their banners any day.

Think about it, even when they have no apparent assets, they seem to be mentioned as buyers How do they do it?

[orlando_joe]

The situation with the Heat should be instructive for why you shouldn't make any moves willy nilly or just for the sake of going all in. They gave Charlotte a first round pick that has the potential to be unprotected in 2028, when Butler may be gone. Rozier has played terribly since they got him (obviously could change). Now it is the Heat, so they may have a rebuild already done. But it seems like teams like Orlando should be wary of throwing in long term unprotected firsts.

I don't think you'll want to compare our FO to MIA...they've made mistakes because they've taken swings and have banners to prove it. MIA is NEVER irrelevant and ALWAYS a factor when a good player might be available. I think they blew it ORL style this summer by missing out on both Dame and then Jrue by not throwing in-like they usually do. I'd trade ORL's "lack of bad moves" for their banners any day.

Think about it, even when they have no apparent assets, they seem to be mentioned as buyers How do they do it?

location ,location, location