2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread

[Papi_swav]

I don't get the romanticized fascination with wanting to go through a multi-year tank. Tanks take years of suck, luck and development. This team already has good relatively young pieces. Why rush to become Detroit or Charlotte?

That's what I worry about too. There's a huuuuuuuge possibility that once we start the rebuild, that we're stuck in it for 5+ years, like the Hornets and Pistons, like you said.
There's no guarantee we end up like OKC. Which is what I think most people think will happen.

I totally get both sides of the argument though.

I think if we can keep the picks beyond 2026, and still make moves to get a guard like Murray or Young, and maybe move Claxton for a Markkanen, then that also makes sense. We can see what a 3 year window of that team looks like, and then still have the Suns/Mavs/Philly/our own picks in a few years. And this isn't taking into account what would happen with Simmons next year.

I happen to trust Marks drafting and scouting skills. He's done fairly well with the limited picks we have had. This is the main reason why I would like to keep marks, because he's being doing a very good job with the drafting and scouting. Pistons always seemed to not be that good when it comes to drafting.

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't get the romanticized fascination with wanting to go through a multi-year tank. Tanks take years of suck, luck and development. This team already has good relatively young pieces. Why rush to become Detroit or Charlotte?

That's what I worry about too. There's a huuuuuuuge possibility that once we start the rebuild, that we're stuck in it for 5+ years, like the Hornets and Pistons, like you said.
There's no guarantee we end up like OKC. Which is what I think most people think will happen.

I totally get both sides of the argument though.

I think if we can keep the picks beyond 2026, and still make moves to get a guard like Murray or Young, and maybe move Claxton for a Markkanen, then that also makes sense. We can see what a 3 year window of that team looks like, and then still have the Suns/Mavs/Philly/our own picks in a few years. And this isn't taking into account what would happen with Simmons next year.

I happen to trust Marks drafting and scouting skills. He's done fairly well with the limited picks we have had. This is the main reason why I would like to keep marks, because he's being doing a very good job with the drafting and scouting. Pistons always seemed to not be that good when it comes to drafting.

Exactly.

He may not be perfect, especially with trades, but his drafting has been relatively sublime.

He’s the guy you expect to take Doncic 1st overall.

He’s the guy who never would have let Donovan Mitchell slip to 13th.

He’s the guy who probably takes Lillard at 4th or 5th if he’s sitting there.

He’s also the guy who probably never lets Giannis or Kawhi fall out of the lotto if he’s anywhere past say pick 4, especially with Leonard, who inexplicably tumbled because of his sociopath personality.

[Netaman]

That's what I worry about too. There's a huuuuuuuge possibility that once we start the rebuild, that we're stuck in it for 5+ years, like the Hornets and Pistons, like you said.
There's no guarantee we end up like OKC. Which is what I think most people think will happen.

I totally get both sides of the argument though.

I think if we can keep the picks beyond 2026, and still make moves to get a guard like Murray or Young, and maybe move Claxton for a Markkanen, then that also makes sense. We can see what a 3 year window of that team looks like, and then still have the Suns/Mavs/Philly/our own picks in a few years. And this isn't taking into account what would happen with Simmons next year.

I happen to trust Marks drafting and scouting skills. He's done fairly well with the limited picks we have had. This is the main reason why I would like to keep marks, because he's being doing a very good job with the drafting and scouting. Pistons always seemed to not be that good when it comes to drafting.

Exactly.

He may not be perfect, especially with trades, but his drafting has been relatively sublime.

He’s the guy you expect to take Doncic 1st overall.

He’s the guy who never would have let Donovan Mitchell slip to 13th.

He’s the guy who probably takes Lillard at 4th or 5th if he’s sitting there.

He’s also the guy who probably never lets Giannis or Kawhi fall out of the lotto if he’s anywhere past say pick 4, especially with Leonard, who inexplicably tumbled because of his sociopath personality.

I think most of his trades have been good too.

It's easy to look back on things that didnt work out but when you have guys behind the scenes not getting along it's a tougher position to be in. Not even talking about the big 3 trades, but even something as simple as keeping Bruce Brown was something he apparently wasnt free to do for whatever behind the scenes reason.

There's a lot of personality stuff that we just dont have a clear perspective into (Dejounte Murray may fall into that category too with some of the new reporting today on netsdaily).

All of that is another reason why you have to really get knocked over to move Bridges imo. He's a good guy and a good leader. Plays every game. Does the little things. All of those are reasons why Brunson has worked out as well as he has in NYC.

[ChuckS]

...There's a lot of personality stuff that we just dont have a clear perspective into (Dejounte Murray may fall into that category too with some of the new reporting today on netsdaily).

All of that is another reason why you have to really get knocked over to move Bridges imo. He's a good guy and a good leader. Plays every game. Does the little things. All of those are reasons why Brunson has worked out as well as he has in NYC.

I found another possible complication with getting Murray. HoopsHype shows next year, the first of his new contract, is just over $7 Mil more. That could be problematic because of the repeater tax and affect considerations regarding our other expiring contracts.

[vincecarter4pres]

I highly doubt we add Murray. Don’t think he’ll cost a fortune asset-wise, but probably more than Marks and Tsain are willing to spend on a player of his ilk.

We’ve talked here about what we’d personally give up and what we think the FO will give up, and also what other teams will, and the bottom line is, without one of Cam T or one of the Phoenix/Dallas picks, plus probably one of the Philly pick or ours on a swap year, probably not getting him.

I’m just hoping we snag DLo back for Dinwiddie in a three team and get back a nice upside young player like Moody, and/or a decent pick for DFS.

That and hopefully Simmons plays a majority of the remaining games and JV gets his head out of his ass.

[Netaman]

I highly doubt we add Murray. Don’t think he’ll cost a fortune asset-wise, but probably more than Marks and Tsain are willing to spend on a player of his ilk.

We’ve talked here about what we’d personally give up and what we think the FO will give up, and also what other teams will, and the bottom line is, without one of Cam T or one of the Phoenix/Dallas picks, plus probably one of the Philly pick or ours on a swap year, probably not getting him.

I’m just hoping we snag DLo back for Dinwiddie in a three team and get back a nice upside young player like Moody, and/or a decent pick for DFS.

That and hopefully Simmons plays a majority of the remaining games and JV gets his head out of his ass.

im also inclined to buy the netsdaily rumors that they have murray concerns. since he's signed for 4 more years, if he was a player they wanted to add to this core, why else would they slow play it like they seemingly have?

[vincecarter4pres]

I highly doubt we add Murray. Don’t think he’ll cost a fortune asset-wise, but probably more than Marks and Tsain are willing to spend on a player of his ilk.

We’ve talked here about what we’d personally give up and what we think the FO will give up, and also what other teams will, and the bottom line is, without one of Cam T or one of the Phoenix/Dallas picks, plus probably one of the Philly pick or ours on a swap year, probably not getting him.

I’m just hoping we snag DLo back for Dinwiddie in a three team and get back a nice upside young player like Moody, and/or a decent pick for DFS.

That and hopefully Simmons plays a majority of the remaining games and JV gets his head out of his ass.

im also inclined to buy the netsdaily rumors that they have murray concerns. since he's signed for 4 more years, if he was a player they wanted to add to this core, why else would they slow play it like they seemingly have?

How bout this?

Brooklyn sends:
Claxton
DFS

OKC sends:
Houston ‘24 1st(if it doesn’t convey, becomes Miami or Philly ‘25 1st)
Bertrans
Aaron Wiggins
Tre Mann

[3pt_chucker]

I highly doubt we add Murray. Don’t think he’ll cost a fortune asset-wise, but probably more than Marks and Tsain are willing to spend on a player of his ilk.

We’ve talked here about what we’d personally give up and what we think the FO will give up, and also what other teams will, and the bottom line is, without one of Cam T or one of the Phoenix/Dallas picks, plus probably one of the Philly pick or ours on a swap year, probably not getting him.

I’m just hoping we snag DLo back for Dinwiddie in a three team and get back a nice upside young player like Moody, and/or a decent pick for DFS.

That and hopefully Simmons plays a majority of the remaining games and JV gets his head out of his ass.

im also inclined to buy the netsdaily rumors that they have murray concerns. since he's signed for 4 more years, if he was a player they wanted to add to this core, why else would they slow play it like they seemingly have?

How bout this?

Brooklyn sends:
Claxton
DFS

OKC sends:
Houston ‘24 1st(if it doesn’t convey, becomes Miami or Philly ‘25 1st)
Bertrans
Aaron Wiggins
Tre Mann

Nowhere near enough of a return for Nets to say yes.
Bertans is basically just a salary match, Wiggins and Mann are barely 2nd round pick value. Rockets first will be high teens in a "bad draft".

So unless OKC adds more draft compensation, Nets would probably rather re-sign Clax and send DFS elsewhere/keep him.

[vincecarter4pres]

im also inclined to buy the netsdaily rumors that they have murray concerns. since he's signed for 4 more years, if he was a player they wanted to add to this core, why else would they slow play it like they seemingly have?

How bout this?

Brooklyn sends:
Claxton
DFS

OKC sends:
Houston ‘24 1st(if it doesn’t convey, becomes Miami or Philly ‘25 1st)
Bertrans
Aaron Wiggins
Tre Mann

Nowhere near enough of a return for Nets to say yes.
Bertans is basically just a salary match, Wiggins and Mann are barely 2nd round pick value. Rockets first will be high teens in a "bad draft".

So unless OKC adds more draft compensation, Nets would probably rather re-sign Clax and send DFS elsewhere/keep him.

Have to disagree on some of this.

Wiggins is a stud buried on OKC’s depth chart. Versatile and athletic wing with dead eye shooting, underrated passing and a good ball handler with quick change of direction, speed and first step.

That Rockets pick at absolute worst is high teens unless they make a major trade at the deadline. If they stay put or make a small move, they will wind up lotto, as long as they don’t luck into a top 4 jump, you’re likely looking at pick 8-10.

Yeah Mann is basically a probable losing lotto ticket, but he has a chance to be another buried, diamond in the rough late bloomer point guard.


At second glance they should have to add the ‘25 Philly second, or maybe one of the future picks like the Denver 1st.


But to me this is close. Imho, people are falling for the shtick of DFS trade value and will be wildly disappointed with his return, or the irl Nets FO don’t trade him because they’re just as delusional.

A prospect on rookie scale of Wiggins breakout ability and a distant mediocre first is probably the top of DFS’ value.

A likely lotto pick for Claxton and a flyer throw-in mid-1st round point guard still on rookie scale seems about right as well, given his impending unrestricted free agency, looming large payday and his inability to improve his free throw percentage and shooting ability.

This is a deal that would look genius in hindsight imho, but would workout equally well for OKC.

[JKiddy]

Way too quiet right now. SOMETHING IS HAPPENING!!!!!

[Netaman]

this is a really good nugget from marks. this is why trading DFS is tricky, most of these teams are out of it and have no interest.

the other 25% of tradeable FRPs are with teams who are judging any move they make as the difference between a championship or not, and perhaps whether it's worth their last tradeable FRP or not.

i think DFS will ultimately bring back 1 protected FRP (and it may from OKC) with some filler. Royce probably some seconds and maybe a recent FRP who isn't in a rotation (like JHS). No idea what anyone would trade for Dinwiddie other than swapping contracts.

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[Netaman]

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[vincecarter4pres]

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Can’t wait for the the homers on Twitter to explain away how it isn’t a big deal we lost the 3rd overall pick, because weak draft.

Then Mitchell signs the extension this summer after the Cavs make a surprise run to the Finals.

Then Tsai starts scrambling, makes Marks trade everything that isn’t tied down for Trae and sign some retread big name coach, and that’s our core for better or worse for the next 5 years, Marks is forced to trade for overpaid role players and pseudo-stars like LaVine with any expiring contracts we have, and he takes a majority of the blame 3 seasons later when the team has maxed out as a repeated second round exit.

[Netaman]

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Can’t wait for the the homers on Twitter to explain away how it isn’t a big deal we lost the 3rd overall pick, because weak draft.

Then Mitchell signs the extension this summer after the Cavs make a surprise run to the Finals.

Then Tsai starts scrambling, makes Marks trade everything that isn’t tied down for Trae and sign some retread big name coach, and that’s our core for better or worse for the next 5 years, Marks is forced to trade for overpaid role players and pseudo-stars like LaVine with any expiring contracts we have, and he takes a majority of the blame 3 seasons later when the team has maxed out as a repeated second round exit.

any of those things could happen but 1 thing that did happen was lillard putting nets on his list, along with the big 3 choosing the nets in first place. so i do think one thing we need to open our minds to is that unlike an OKC or SAS or CLE that had to rebuild a certain way, the Nets have matured to a point where even someone like Bridges is enough to keep them appealing enough to land a Brunson like NYK or Jimmy like MIA.

so i think there's merit towards either path, but whichever way they choose to go they need to show progress. obviously if they trade bridges there won't be progress in the team winning more but getting back 1 young rookie scale starter for bridges would be. ex. if it's a houston deal, i want whitmore or thompson. maybe green but i see him as another camt, which would be a 2nd young player needing to develop against the grain of archetype value.

if they choose the 'keep' path, they have to at least be a play in team. that is not a high bar. they arent going to stay on anyone's lists long if they are 10+ games under .500. and after a year i think we know this current roster is lacking in the facilitator role.

[vincecarter4pres]

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Can’t wait for the the homers on Twitter to explain away how it isn’t a big deal we lost the 3rd overall pick, because weak draft.

Then Mitchell signs the extension this summer after the Cavs make a surprise run to the Finals.

Then Tsai starts scrambling, makes Marks trade everything that isn’t tied down for Trae and sign some retread big name coach, and that’s our core for better or worse for the next 5 years, Marks is forced to trade for overpaid role players and pseudo-stars like LaVine with any expiring contracts we have, and he takes a majority of the blame 3 seasons later when the team has maxed out as a repeated second round exit.

any of those things could happen but 1 thing that did happen was lillard putting nets on his list, along with the big 3 choosing the nets in first place. so i do think one thing we need to open our minds to is that unlike an OKC or SAS or CLE that had to rebuild a certain way, the Nets have matured to a point where even someone like Bridges is enough to keep them appealing enough to land a Brunson like NYK or Jimmy like MIA.

so i think there's merit towards either path, but whichever way they choose to go they need to show progress. obviously if they trade bridges there won't be progress in the team winning more but getting back 1 young rookie scale starter for bridges would be. ex. if it's a houston deal, i want whitmore or thompson. maybe green but i see him as another camt, which would be a 2nd young player needing to develop against the grain of archetype value.

if they choose the 'keep' path, they have to at least be a play in team. that is not a high bar. they arent going to stay on anyone's lists long if they are 10+ games under .500. and after a year i think we know this current roster is lacking in the facilitator role.

There is absolutely merit to other ways of team building and it is excellent that premier FA’s and stars who want out, put us on their short list.

I’m not even having that much trouble seeing it, tbh, but my frustration with the current state is definitely showing.

Things haven’t gone exactly according to plan, but that’s also quite likely to happen, when your plan is Simmons, Dinwiddie and DSJ as your main ball handlers and facilitators, surrounded by a bunch of off ball, flow of the offense guys, including your two best players.

It would have been nice if more effort was put into landing a more reliable, traditional and functional short term answer at point guard.

I get this isn’t a video game, or fantasy basketball, you can’t just create a player, or force a team to trade one here, but something should have been done in the offseason with a lot more foresight.

[Lamak]

at this point we should at least trade someone if we can barely get to the play in, maybe dfs or dinwiddie. the rockets offer for bridges is interesting but not sure if jalen green and cam thomas can coexist. i dont want to trade claxton

[vincecarter4pres]

Less than 3 days till the deadline, things should really heat up late night tomorrow around the league.

Feels like there’s always a semi-big trade Tuesday night/going into early morning Wednesday.

[Netaman]

Things haven’t gone exactly according to plan, but that’s also quite likely to happen, when your plan is Simmons, Dinwiddie and DSJ as your main ball handlers and facilitators, surrounded by a bunch of off ball, flow of the offense guys, including your two best players.

It would have been nice if more effort was put into landing a more reliable, traditional and functional short term answer at point guard.

I get this isn’t a video game, or fantasy basketball, you can’t just create a player, or force a team to trade one here, but something should have been done in the offseason with a lot more foresight.

totally agree here. last year i was hoping they'd find a way to get FVV and whether or not he deserved what Rockets paid him or if that was feasible here, it's been clear for a year your point about needing a traditional and functional point guard is dead on.

this team has overachieved when they've had that and underachieved when they havent.

would honestly even take a chance on cp3. does dinwiddie + royce for cp3 and picks make sense for gsw? feels like it should? maybe build it up even more and throw in DFS + kuminga?



2026 first feels maybe a bit too much from GSW?

[vincecarter4pres]

So if the rockets offer jalen green and all of our picks back for bridges you still wouldn’t do it?

178%, a resounding yes.

Unless you tell me it’s a mortal lock we’re getting say both Mitchell and Markkanen, or one of Doncic, Ja, or Jamal Murray or SGA specifically, and dealing Bridges prior ends it, 189% yes.

Then deal DFS and Dinwiddie at minimum, hire a development coach before the draft(Or maybe JC is actually that), let Cam Thomas become Ham Thomas.

Start the real rebuild with a stacked war chest and a top 7 pick. Let’s. Go.

how do you view green vs whitmore vs thompson?

havent watched a ton of rockets games but green gives off serious cam thomas vibe. so id prefer whitmore or thompson personally. also 2 extra seasons of cheap control.

Been meaning to respond to this and honestly, IDK.

Want to love Thompson, but I hate players that can’t shoot.

Whitmore I like a lot, but he also has serious tunnel vision in college.

Green still has some superstar potential, but he definitely mirrors a lot of Cam T scoring ability and style wise. But, he’s taller, longer, a bit more athletic, can actually run a pick and roll, has better overall court vision and is the more willing passer.


All that said, gun to my head, Thompson.

[vincecarter4pres]

Things haven’t gone exactly according to plan, but that’s also quite likely to happen, when your plan is Simmons, Dinwiddie and DSJ as your main ball handlers and facilitators, surrounded by a bunch of off ball, flow of the offense guys, including your two best players.

It would have been nice if more effort was put into landing a more reliable, traditional and functional short term answer at point guard.

I get this isn’t a video game, or fantasy basketball, you can’t just create a player, or force a team to trade one here, but something should have been done in the offseason with a lot more foresight.

totally agree here. last year i was hoping they'd find a way to get FVV and whether or not he deserved what Rockets paid him or if that was feasible here, it's been clear for a year your point about needing a traditional and functional point guard is dead on.

this team has overachieved when they've had that and underachieved when they havent.

would honestly even take a chance on cp3. does dinwiddie + royce for cp3 and picks make sense for gsw? feels like it should? maybe build it up even more and throw in DFS + kuminga?



2026 first feels maybe a bit too much from GSW?

CP3 is just so old lol, and I don’t see them sweetening it without a clear one player upgrade somewhere for them, meaning no picks and no Kuminga for us.

I’d do DFS and Dinwiddie for him though as a last minute deadline deal.