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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#1301 » by Skybox » Mon Feb 5, 2024 10:16 pm

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flying_mollusk wrote:The situation with the Heat should be instructive for why you shouldn't make any moves willy nilly or just for the sake of going all in. They gave Charlotte a first round pick that has the potential to be unprotected in 2028, when Butler may be gone. Rozier has played terribly since they got him (obviously could change). Now it is the Heat, so they may have a rebuild already done. But it seems like teams like Orlando should be wary of throwing in long term unprotected firsts.


I don't think you'll want to compare our FO to MIA...they've made mistakes because they've taken swings and have banners to prove it. MIA is NEVER irrelevant and ALWAYS a factor when a good player might be available. I think they blew it ORL style this summer by missing out on both Dame and then Jrue by not throwing in-like they usually do. I'd trade ORL's "lack of bad moves" for their banners any day.

Think about it, even when they have no apparent assets, they seem to be mentioned as buyers :banghead: How do they do it?


Agreed. I’m basically saying I don’t want us to throw in unprotected firsts because the consequences are worse for the Magic. If we snagged Rozier and he stunk, that would hurt worse for us.


We know what Rozier(for example) is...we're a lot more likely to have a draft pick stink...quite a few have and they were drafted a lot higher than our near-future picks will (hopefully) land.

Any move has risks, but none are more of a crapshoot than the draft these days. Even IF (if!) you score, you're likely waiting 2 or more years to see any significant useful contribution.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#1302 » by CocoaFan » Mon Feb 5, 2024 10:16 pm

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AaronB wrote:I will say it clearer

The Magic FO is not content today or ever.

They are simply opposed to making trades for non-difference-maker players at obscene prices.


This feels a bit needlessly argumentative to what we're actually talking about though.

You're are turning this into a much more broad "oh well, of course the front office is not content because they haven't built a title team yet" type of statement, which is fine and not even necessarily inaccurate or wrong, but also kind of irrelevant because we're talking about the here and now considering this is the 2023-2024 trade thread.

Weltman has said quite literally like 20 times over the past two years, basically every time he's made public statements frankly, that the Magic are not going to rush the process or skip steps. On top of that the Magic are also 27-23 through 50 games with a soft and home heavy schedule upcoming.

With those things in mind, it stands to reason - at least to me - that Weltman is very happy and content with where the Magic are *at this point in the process*.

Of course there's more work to be done for the Magic to level up from solid playoff team to team capable of winning multiple playoff series, but I don't see that transition as something that is a priority for Weltman to accomplish at this moment in time.

Because frankly, the moment Weltman actually does push chips into the middle of table and "go for it" the clock actually starts ticking in a tangible way on his ability to build a title contender.

Just my two cents, but Jeff seems perfectly content to just let things play out organically (and continue to have gainful employment without pressure) and not push "all in" until it's absolutely necessary.
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Post#1303 » by SOUL » Mon Feb 5, 2024 10:22 pm

With that being said, it doesn't mean I am confident that they will do anything either :lol: it's a weird thing in that this phase should be telling. You clearly see your guards struggling to shoot, you see Indy/NYK/Miami make moves in front of you, so the ball is in their court.
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Post#1304 » by orlando_joe » Mon Feb 5, 2024 10:27 pm

SOUL wrote:With that being said, it doesn't mean I am confident that they will do anything either :lol: it's a weird thing in that this phase should be telling. You clearly see your guards struggling to shoot, you see Indy/NYK/Miami make moves in front of you, so the ball is in their court.

most of them were at full strength ..magic are just now getting there after first 5 games and older core
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Post#1305 » by RichCollab » Mon Feb 5, 2024 10:43 pm

SOUL wrote:With that being said, it doesn't mean I am confident that they will do anything either :lol: it's a weird thing in that this phase should be telling. You clearly see your guards struggling to shoot, you see Indy/NYK/Miami make moves in front of you, so the ball is in their court.


MIA is struggling and Knicks have a big injury. Knicks talent is mature and needs to win now.

This is going to be a successful season. We are legit at best a 1st exit playoff team. I don’t think the moves above up our urgency. I think it does signal all 3 of those teams now see us as a threat.
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Post#1306 » by Skin » Mon Feb 5, 2024 10:51 pm

Probably just an article, but...

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/trade-rumors/nba-trade-rumors-orlando-magic-portland-trail-blazers-deadline-anfernee-simons-malcolm-brogdon

NBA Trade Rumors: Magic Linked to Blazers Guards Before Deadline

The Orlando Magic have been linked in trade rumors to Portland Trail Blazers guards Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon.
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Post#1307 » by Bensational » Mon Feb 5, 2024 10:59 pm

People freaking out over the Knicks, Cavs and Pacers making moves while we aren’t don’t seem to appreciate that apart from the Pacers those teams have to do something now because they’ve pushed they’re chips all in. Knicks best players are Brunson, Randle and OG - and that combo doesn’t seem to have the juice for a championship. The Cavs best player could up and leave them in just over a season. The Pacers are like SGA where their franchise player is young but still older and ready for high level competition.

In 2 years time the Knicks and Cavs are probably back down fighting for play-in seeding and we’re probably better than what we are today. Their aggressive moves will prove to be for naught.

I would rather be where we are right now knowing our young franchise players are good enough to carry us than be where Houston is, relying on FVV and Brooks and considering moving one of their recent top 3 picks for another veteran who isn’t a legit franchise player. Don’t get me wrong, I admire how they are managing their rebuild, I just think in a few years they’ll be back in a position of having no elite talent and some aging veterans on the decline.
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Post#1308 » by Magicman125 » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:00 pm

Skin wrote:Probably just an article, but...

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/trade-rumors/nba-trade-rumors-orlando-magic-portland-trail-blazers-deadline-anfernee-simons-malcolm-brogdon

NBA Trade Rumors: Magic Linked to Blazers Guards Before Deadline

The Orlando Magic have been linked in trade rumors to Portland Trail Blazers guards Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon.


Depending on the price for Brogdon, I'd be interested. Simons I'd be ecstatic if we got.
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Post#1309 » by The Real Dalic » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:00 pm

Skin wrote:Probably just an article, but...

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/trade-rumors/nba-trade-rumors-orlando-magic-portland-trail-blazers-deadline-anfernee-simons-malcolm-brogdon

NBA Trade Rumors: Magic Linked to Blazers Guards Before Deadline

The Orlando Magic have been linked in trade rumors to Portland Trail Blazers guards Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon.

So then the names we've been linked to (true or not) so far has been:

Simons
Brogdon
CP3
Lowry
Jones
McDermott

If even one of them is true, it definitely means we're looking at PG's and shooting. Which is good.
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Post#1310 » by Fortune Teller » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:04 pm

It's actually pretty amazing our record is as good as it is, because the backcourt is truly awful. The guard having the best season is averaging 12.3 ppg and 2.4 apg.

The problem with Welt being content -- for now -- is that he is letting assets depreciate in value. Fultz has less value now than he had last year. Black and Howard have less value as rookies who can't crack the rotation than they did as #6 and #11 lottery picks. Wendell may have some value, but what he's really proven this year is that he is still the guy who maxes out at 60 games played in a season (in a healthy year). Gary Harris has festered for 4 years here while producing almost nothing. So this "wait until next year" approach is going to result in the Magic not having a way to significantly improve the team.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#1311 » by BlueBlazer » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:04 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:
Skin wrote:Probably just an article, but...

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/trade-rumors/nba-trade-rumors-orlando-magic-portland-trail-blazers-deadline-anfernee-simons-malcolm-brogdon

NBA Trade Rumors: Magic Linked to Blazers Guards Before Deadline

The Orlando Magic have been linked in trade rumors to Portland Trail Blazers guards Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon.

So then the names we've been linked to (true or not) so far has been:

Simons
Brogdon
CP3
Lowry
Jones
McDermott

If even one of them is true, it definitely means we're looking at PG's and shooting. Which is good.

Kispert too. Wouldn’t hate it if the price is right.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#1312 » by The Real Dalic » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:10 pm

BlueBlazer wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:
Skin wrote:Probably just an article, but...

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/trade-rumors/nba-trade-rumors-orlando-magic-portland-trail-blazers-deadline-anfernee-simons-malcolm-brogdon

NBA Trade Rumors: Magic Linked to Blazers Guards Before Deadline

The Orlando Magic have been linked in trade rumors to Portland Trail Blazers guards Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon.

So then the names we've been linked to (true or not) so far has been:

Simons
Brogdon
CP3
Lowry
Jones
McDermott

If even one of them is true, it definitely means we're looking at PG's and shooting. Which is good.

Kispert too. Wouldn’t hate it if the price is right.

Kispert is the non-PG bench shooter I want the most. He's good friends with Suggs and fits the timeline with the rest of the team.
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Post#1313 » by RichCollab » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:13 pm

Fortune Teller wrote:It's actually pretty amazing our record is as good as it is, because the backcourt is truly awful. The guard having the best season is averaging 12.3 ppg and 2.4 apg.

The problem with Welt being content -- for now -- is that he is letting assets depreciate in value. Fultz has less value now than he had last year. Black and Howard have less value as rookies who can't crack the rotation than they did as #6 and #11 lottery picks. Wendell may have some value, but what he's really proven this year is that he is still the guy who maxes out at 60 games played in a season (in a healthy year). Gary Harris has festered for 4 years here while producing almost nothing. So this "wait until next year" approach is going to result in the Magic not having a way to significantly improve the team.


Suggs isn’t awful.
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Post#1314 » by eyriq » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:19 pm

What's the package for Trae? Franz and Paolo clear of course.

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Post#1315 » by KillMonger » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:20 pm

I would really be kind of upset if we do nothing at the deadline. It's obvious where the improvements are needed. I felt too much time have been spent "evaluating". Sorry weltman, sitting on your hands this time actually has some consequences...

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Post#1316 » by The Real Dalic » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:24 pm

KillMonger wrote:I would really be kind of upset if we do nothing at the deadline. It's obvious where the improvements are needed. I felt too much time have been spent "evaluating". Sorry weltman, sitting on your hands this time actually has some consequences...

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I would be disappointed, but I think that, as long as we make the playoffs, it doesn't matter too much this year. Just get Paolo and Franz in there, let them learn and improve, then go get guys in the offseason. Namely a starting quality PG and a bench shooter.

But yes, I don't think we should put off the obvious if we can help it this trade deadline.
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Post#1317 » by OnlyFranz22 » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:42 pm

Trae would be insane. Hawks never do that in division though. Feel like the Magic defense can pick up for his lack of it.

Brogdon makes the most sense. If healthy down the stretch he literally checks all the boxes.

Defense
Playmaker
Versatile
Knock down open shots & get to the line.

He’d be my number one target. (Outside of any crazy blockbuster like Simons or Trae.)
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Post#1318 » by Knightro » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:47 pm

I would love to be wrong and hope I end up wrong, but all I’m saying is that I’ll believe Markelle Fultz is no longer part of the team when he’s actually off the team and not a moment sooner.
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Post#1319 » by 89Magicfan » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:50 pm

eyriq wrote:What's the package for Trae? Franz and Paolo clear of course.

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Man, I’d be f’ing thrilled.
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Post#1320 » by 89Magicfan » Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:51 pm

Skin wrote:Probably just an article, but...

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/trade-rumors/nba-trade-rumors-orlando-magic-portland-trail-blazers-deadline-anfernee-simons-malcolm-brogdon

NBA Trade Rumors: Magic Linked to Blazers Guards Before Deadline

The Orlando Magic have been linked in trade rumors to Portland Trail Blazers guards Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon.



All for Simons. He’s been doing a great job distributing the ball.

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