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[DG88]

Even with that one game where he didn't assert himself in the 4th we know through 3 years that Scottie does assert himself in the 4th and takeover. I think it's more of a learning lesson for him than a referendum on him as a player.

[Mikistan]

A few of your are going to give Eyetoma a run for his money with the unhealthy homerism that's developing around Scottie

I just love how being a huge fan of our greatest prospect is now seen as a bad thing

some of you are bitter beyond belief

This is the fanbase that was ok with Doug Smith calling him out in his sophomore season. The microanalyzing is missing the forest for the trees.
He is immature, he's young, he's also supremely talented. He also growing up in the social media generation and negativity is amplified and we all know the effects on mental health based on those things. Scottie will be fine, he's going to be top 5 in the league easily one day, enjoy the ride.

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It was a tank job people. Get over it with the Scottie proclamations. OKC was on a 12-2 run when Scottie was on the bench as well before this all happened.

[canada_dry]

A few of your are going to give Eyetoma a run for his money with the unhealthy homerism that's developing around Scottie

Ha.

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[dandaman]

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It was a tank job people. Get over it with the Scottie proclamations. They were on a 12-2 run when Scottie was on the bench as well before this all happened.

100% agree with this, Scotties off the ball game is not good, he mostly just stands in the corner, rarely cuts or crashes the offensive glass, needs improvement

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It was a tank job people. Get over it with the Scottie proclamations. They were on a 12-2 run when Scottie was on the bench as well before this all happened.

100% agree with this, Scotties off the ball game is not good, he mostly just stands in the corner, rarely cuts or crashes the offensive glass, needs improvement

he's literally one of the most active off ball players on the team. Literally how he got most of his game off the past 2 years. what the **** am i reading

[TheRaptor!]

He plays nothing like Draymond (who is a defensive genius but also one of the most limited offensive players in the league). Really weird comp there.

Their games are very different but the comp comes from the type of overall impact they can have on their teams. They can be the 2nd/3rd best player overall but scoring wise, you have better 2 guys ahead of him in the pecking order.

But like all things, Barnes can go up and down so it would be truly stupid to say that's who he us going to be 100%. Just hope he gets his head out of his own ass.

Draymond absolutely cannot be the second option on a contender. His offense is far too limited for that.

Scottie is already a much better offensive option than Draymond ever was. He's also 22 so his ceiling is TBD.

and Scottie cannot be the defensive player draymond is either

He's a better offence but worse offence Draymond. Great 3rd banana on a championship team, just dont expect this impact player to carry you to a win

[TheRaptor!]

I don’t think Barnes enjoys deferring to IQ life was different when he was the playmaker last week. Iq pounded the ball to close the game and missed a few open teammates, stuff that would have been mentioned if it was Schroeder. When you play like that teammates become disengaged.

Really getting tired of this notion that everyone has to pass the ball. Guess what? we're 2nd in Ast% and we suck. Let's look at some numbers:

- The top 10 in AST% features 4 lottery teams, 3 play-in teams, and 3 playoff teams - Raptors are 2nd. Conversely, the bottom 10 in AST% features 6 playoff teams, 4 play-in teams, and 2 lottery teams.
- The top 10 in isolation frequency features 7 playoff teams, 1 play-in team and 2 lottery teams. Conversely, they bottom 10 in isolation frequency features 3 playoff teams, 1 play-in team and 6 lottery teams - the raptors are 3rd last

We need a guy that can go out and get buckets. Jokic is the greatest passer in the world and he and Murray have nearly identical usage at 29% and 27%. In Sacramento, Sabonis is a 22% usage player while Fox is at 31%. Big passing hubs need to be surrounded by bucket getters. Is IQ doing the best running the team? No, but it's also the first time he's been asked to do that for an NBA team in his career - he's doing more than fine. If Scottie literally cannot enjoy playing basketball unless the ball is in his hands, we have a massive problem on our hands.

This aint the YMCA, there is no fairness and no equal opportunities.

Sharing the ball concept doesnt apply in the NBA.

The whole Malachi Flynn experiment to see him smile still makes me cringe

[Raps in 4]

Their games are very different but the comp comes from the type of overall impact they can have on their teams. They can be the 2nd/3rd best player overall but scoring wise, you have better 2 guys ahead of him in the pecking order.

But like all things, Barnes can go up and down so it would be truly stupid to say that's who he us going to be 100%. Just hope he gets his head out of his own ass.

Draymond absolutely cannot be the second option on a contender. His offense is far too limited for that.

Scottie is already a much better offensive option than Draymond ever was. He's also 22 so his ceiling is TBD.

and Scottie cannot be the defensive player draymond is either

He's a better offence but worse offence Draymond. Great 3rd banana on a championship team, just dont expect this impact player to carry you to a win

Scottie is much closer to Draymond on the defensive end than Draymond is to Scottie on offence. Scottie is simply the better player, full stop, and he's only 22.

Writing off a 22 year-old who has improved significantly since entering the league as a career third option is peak "I don't know what I'm talking about".

Could Scottie top out as a Draymond or Lowry? Sure. But cobsidering he's already at that level (or better) at 22, odds are he can still improve.

[TheRaptor!]

Draymond absolutely cannot be the second option on a contender. His offense is far too limited for that.

Scottie is already a much better offensive option than Draymond ever was. He's also 22 so his ceiling is TBD.

and Scottie cannot be the defensive player draymond is either

He's a better offence but worse offence Draymond. Great 3rd banana on a championship team, just dont expect this impact player to carry you to a win

Scottie is much closer to Draymond on the defensive end than Draymond is to Scottie on offence. Scottie is simply the better player, full stop, and he's only 22.

Writing off a 22 year-old who has improved significantly since entering the league as a career third option is peak "I don't know what I'm talking about".

Could Scottie top out as a Draymond or Lowry? Sure. But cobsidering he's already at that level (or better) at 22, odds are he can still improve.

Lets wait until he makes an all star game or 2 first

Draymond was arguably the second best player next to Steph on the championship teams without KD

His impact was HUGE. Draymond Green got a double-double with 32 points and 15 rebounds in Game 7 of the 2016 NBA Finals

[YogurtProducer]

Yeah you can be high on Scottie and still know he probably is not a #1 option. He might not even be a #2 option on a great team scoring wise.

My biggest issue right now (and TBH, always has been) is his attitude and mental game. If he is not a #1, is he just going to sulk and go through the motions?

I'm honestly not even sure it's just sulking. I think it's skill related. You can't really give him the ball when the other team is really locked in during a tight game. His ball handling isn't good enough to get by a locked in defender and he's not comfortable enough shooting off the dribble. Scottie's end of game offense should ideally look like Kawhi's: using his strength to get to his spots where he can rise up over defenders or bully-ball them because he's not a strong enough ball handler to beat guys off the dribble (not sure if he ever will be). I don't believe his scoring game is reliable enough to give him the ball to close out games (at least if you're expecting positive results). His shooting off the dribble isn't reliable yet. He needs to embrace using his size and strength, which can still come in time. I wonder if the sulking is in response to being frustrated with not being able to get anything going on offense. I didn't see it so much as "going through the motions", more so "I don't have many options right now what do I do?".

Barnes self-created offense still has a ways to go:

Iso: 0.75ppp (22nd percentile)
Post-Up: 0.87ppp (20th percentile)
PNR ball-hander: 0.83 (42nd percentile)

These are generally not the type of numbers you want for a "closer". I'm not saying he can't get there but it's going to take some work. Him taking a backseat isn't the greatest look but hopefully that disappears as his skill level improves (inspiring more confidence).

fwiw at the end there he was faced with driving on Dort, and with his meh handle he was probably right to pass off. He could have taken a stepback 3, but he's bad at those, too. The mistake is that he just sat with the ball too long and gave Gary nothing to work with, either.

Dort isn’t a good enough defender to pass out of, just so the other guy gets SGA who is no slouch himself

[KrazyP]

I mean this is a pretty awful take

"Raps traded for Kawhi Leonard on an expiring and got nothing as he bolted to LA for free."

This statement has so much ignorance in it. Seems like a championship wasn't worth it for KrazyP.

How was the trade OKC made to acquire Paul George different than the move the Raps made to acquire Kawhi Leonard? Both players were expiring, both players were pending free agents, both players were deemed to be LA bound. One team ended up with a boatload of assets, the other team ended up with nothing. Luck plays a huge factor in how things end up.

I didnt think stating something like this would be so difficult to understand. Even if you disagree with the argument, you should be able to understand the merit behind it. It seems many posters are just use to skimming headlines and posts without absorbing the information that was stated.

are you actually just going to ignore the championship? cause that was the result of that trade.

Im talking in terms of asset base....I thought that part was pretty clear?

[KrazyP]

I mean this is a pretty awful take

"Raps traded for Kawhi Leonard on an expiring and got nothing as he bolted to LA for free."

This statement has so much ignorance in it. Seems like a championship wasn't worth it for KrazyP.

How was the trade OKC made to acquire Paul George different than the move the Raps made to acquire Kawhi Leonard? Both players were expiring, both players were pending free agents, both players were deemed to be LA bound. One team ended up with a boatload of assets, the other team ended up with nothing. Luck plays a huge factor in how things end up.

I didnt think stating something like this would be so difficult to understand. Even if you disagree with the argument, you should be able to understand the merit behind it. It seems many posters are just use to skimming headlines and posts without absorbing the information that was stated.

Paul George signed with them. Kawhi did not sign with us.

Thats exactly my point. Both were pending free agents with LA on their mind when the Raps/Thunder traded for them but things worked out differently largely because of random luck.

[Randle McMurphy]

Their games are very different but the comp comes from the type of overall impact they can have on their teams. They can be the 2nd/3rd best player overall but scoring wise, you have better 2 guys ahead of him in the pecking order.

But like all things, Barnes can go up and down so it would be truly stupid to say that's who he us going to be 100%. Just hope he gets his head out of his own ass.

Draymond absolutely cannot be the second option on a contender. His offense is far too limited for that.

Scottie is already a much better offensive option than Draymond ever was. He's also 22 so his ceiling is TBD.

and Scottie cannot be the defensive player draymond is either

He's a better offence but worse offence Draymond. Great 3rd banana on a championship team, just dont expect this impact player to carry you to a win

The guy is top 20 in the NBA in VORP in his 3rd year. Pretty good chance he's far better than that.

[Potential]

Wait we took the elite OKC thunder to 2OT on the road????? Moral W for the new era Raptors