Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[TimberKat]

What would reduce turnovers more, having another PG to be on the floor during the non-Conley minutes or adding a wing shooter to help space the floor? We do make dumb turnovers, but I see a lot of them as the result of driving into a packed paint.

In a perfect world we would get a shooter who could play with Conley and then also play backup PG minutes (oh Brogdon, how I wish you made less), but I don’t see that player as out there and obtainable.

I think we do need both. That is why we are Conley and JMcL on the floor together. A little more ball handling, a little more passing, and Conley is a good spot up shooter. We could also solve the problem being a little more organized too. A lot of the TO are we try to force the issue.

I do find it weird that Finch has tried out Jordan and Mike together for a few minutes. I do wonder if he's deciding if Tyus/Monte can play with Mike for a period of time. Could a Tyus/Mike/Ant/Jaden/KAT or Rudy lineup work if Kyle is moved in the deal.

I think that will definitely be the case if Finch keeps trying to do contained chaos. He need another ball handler that can make the read and pass to the right person. We will see the two PG line up regardless who we get.

[Klomp]

I think we do need both. That is why we are Conley and JMcL on the floor together. A little more ball handling, a little more passing, and Conley is a good spot up shooter. We could also solve the problem being a little more organized too. A lot of the TO are we try to force the issue.

I do find it weird that Finch has tried out Jordan and Mike together for a few minutes. I do wonder if he's deciding if Tyus/Monte can play with Mike for a period of time. Could a Tyus/Mike/Ant/Jaden/KAT or Rudy lineup work if Kyle is moved in the deal.

I think that will definitely be the case if Finch keeps trying to do contained chaos. He need another ball handler that can make the read and pass to the right person. We will see the two PG line up regardless who we get.

Importantly, Finch also takes ownership of his mistakes. On Sunday, he lamented not playing point guard Jordan McLaughlin in the second half against Orlando, believing that decision was partially responsible for the lack of ball movement and offensive flow in the fourth. On Sunday against Houston, McLaughlin played the last four minutes of the third quarter and started the fourth with Conley, Anderson, Gobert and Naz Reid, a five-man group that excels at moving the ball and making quick decisions.

“I’ve been kicking myself for 48 hours that I didn’t go to it the other day,” Finch said of pairing Gobert with two point guards.

https://theathletic.com/5247425/2024/02/05/timberwolves-film-session-chris-finch-all-star/

[winforlose]

I do find it weird that Finch has tried out Jordan and Mike together for a few minutes. I do wonder if he's deciding if Tyus/Monte can play with Mike for a period of time. Could a Tyus/Mike/Ant/Jaden/KAT or Rudy lineup work if Kyle is moved in the deal.

I think that will definitely be the case if Finch keeps trying to do contained chaos. He need another ball handler that can make the read and pass to the right person. We will see the two PG line up regardless who we get.

Importantly, Finch also takes ownership of his mistakes. On Sunday, he lamented not playing point guard Jordan McLaughlin in the second half against Orlando, believing that decision was partially responsible for the lack of ball movement and offensive flow in the fourth. On Sunday against Houston, McLaughlin played the last four minutes of the third quarter and started the fourth with Conley, Anderson, Gobert and Naz Reid, a five-man group that excels at moving the ball and making quick decisions.

“I’ve been kicking myself for 48 hours that I didn’t go to it the other day,” Finch said of pairing Gobert with two point guards.

https://theathletic.com/5247425/2024/02/05/timberwolves-film-session-chris-finch-all-star/

Prior to this game that same group of 3 had been used for negative results. I had the discussion on Canis, and the guy who replied said the number of possessions was only 71 (not sure if that includes last night,) but the overall value in those 71 was -1 point net. We know from experience that Finch likes the two PG lineup, (Dlo and JMAC ran it a lot under Finch,) but we also know he doesn’t trust JMAC this year. We know this because he kept him out of the rotation for a long time and now gives him spot minutes instead of consistent rotation.

[shrink]

Nate Duncan on the Dunc’d On podcast said that the Wolves should try hard to trade Naz for Tyus, but he wasn’t sure WAS would accept. His reasoning was that Naz isn’t great at defense and that he’ll never have a pathway to be a starter at center.

I disagree. Naz may not be great at defense YET but he is a hard worker, and Naz is our back door if we want to make a KAT trade in the future. Naz may be overkill in our payroll for bigs, but it gives us a match up advantage because few opposing teams have the bench depth and size to defend our three bigs for 48 minutes. Naz is also a fan favorite, and he took less to be here. Finally. Naz is on a discount contract for 2+1 years, and Tyus is an expiring and could walk this summer.

[Neeva]

Naz has much more value than Tyus ,Duncan guy is so wrong.

[TimberKat]

Nate Duncan on the Dunc’d On podcast said that the Wolves should try hard to trade Naz for Tyus, but he wasn’t sure WAS would accept. His reasoning was that Naz isn’t great at defense and that he’ll never have a pathway to be a starter at center.

I disagree. Naz may not be great at defense YET but he is a hard worker, and Naz is our back door if we want to make a KAT trade in the future. Naz may be overkill in our payroll for bigs, but it gives us a match up advantage because few opposing teams have the bench depth and size to defend our three bigs for 48 minutes. Naz is also a fan favorite, and he took less to be here. Finally. Naz is on a discount contract for 2+1 years, and Tyus is an expiring and could walk this summer.

No way, Naz has way more value. We already over paid for Gobert, let's not over paid for Naz too. I still have seen anyone and any news that suggests an expiring Jones was going to get more than a high second or 2 2nd.

[jpatrick]

Nate Duncan on the Dunc’d On podcast said that the Wolves should try hard to trade Naz for Tyus, but he wasn’t sure WAS would accept. His reasoning was that Naz isn’t great at defense and that he’ll never have a pathway to be a starter at center.

I disagree. Naz may not be great at defense YET but he is a hard worker, and Naz is our back door if we want to make a KAT trade in the future. Naz may be overkill in our payroll for bigs, but it gives us a match up advantage because few opposing teams have the bench depth and size to defend our three bigs for 48 minutes. Naz is also a fan favorite, and he took less to be here. Finally. Naz is on a discount contract for 2+1 years, and Tyus is an expiring and could walk this summer.

I like the podcast a lot and generally agree with Nate but not here. I think Tyus, who is more high level backup PG than starter, on an expiring deal does not have more value than one of the better sixth man in the league this year locked up for another year.

[Klomp]

Naz is one of those guys who you need to see daily to understand what you have. He's clustered in with Ant and Jaden as our core pieces of the future. He is the last of the three bigs that I'm willing to trade.

[cmoss84]

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/timberwolves/wolves-trade-rumors-jones-hyland-burks-wright-bogdanovic-brogdon-morris-more

[cmoss84]

Trying to figure out who we could trade to get Brogdon. Only thing I can think of is a blockbuster like Grant and Brogdon for KAT.

[Klomp]

I'm seeing a report about Detroit's interest in Tobias Harris, and I wonder if a three-way could come together that would send Harris to Detroit and Morris to Minnesota.

[shrink]

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/timberwolves/wolves-trade-rumors-jones-hyland-burks-wright-bogdanovic-brogdon-morris-more

I appreciate posts like this.

If any of you hear rumors anywhere, no matter how ludicrous, let’s follow cmoss and post lots of links over the next [DAYS! ].

[shrink]

I'm seeing a report about Detroit's interest in Tobias Harris, and I wonder if a three-way could come together that would send Harris to Detroit and Morris to Minnesota.

I like it. PHI might value Shake more than other teams, with his success there and familiarity with key players.

[BlacJacMac]

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/timberwolves/wolves-trade-rumors-jones-hyland-burks-wright-bogdanovic-brogdon-morris-more

I appreciate posts like this.

If any of you hear rumors anywhere, no matter how ludicrous, let’s follow cmoss and post lots of links over the next 3 hours.

Three days?

[shrink]

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/timberwolves/wolves-trade-rumors-jones-hyland-burks-wright-bogdanovic-brogdon-morris-more

I appreciate posts like this.

If any of you hear rumors anywhere, no matter how ludicrous, let’s follow cmoss and post lots of links over the next 3 hours.

Three days?

LOL! I was debating whether to write “the next 72 hours” and thought somebody would correct me and say, “no, 68 hours!” So to avoid being corrected, I end up saying something stupid that should be corrected!

This is me - my posting problems ramping up with the ramp up of trade talks!

[BlacJacMac]

I appreciate posts like this.

If any of you hear rumors anywhere, no matter how ludicrous, let’s follow cmoss and post lots of links over the next 3 hours.

Three days?

LOL! I was debating whether to write “the next 72 hours” and thought somebody would correct me and say, “no, 68 hours!” So to avoid being corrected, I end up saying something stupid that should be corrected!

This is me - my posting problems ramping up with the ramp up of trade talks!

Heh. I had to double-check the deadline because I was thinking "man, there has been almost no action..."

[thinktank]

Nate Duncan on the Dunc’d On podcast said that the Wolves should try hard to trade Naz for Tyus, but he wasn’t sure WAS would accept. His reasoning was that Naz isn’t great at defense and that he’ll never have a pathway to be a starter at center.

I disagree. Naz may not be great at defense YET but he is a hard worker, and Naz is our back door if we want to make a KAT trade in the future. Naz may be overkill in our payroll for bigs, but it gives us a match up advantage because few opposing teams have the bench depth and size to defend our three bigs for 48 minutes. Naz is also a fan favorite, and he took less to be here. Finally. Naz is on a discount contract for 2+1 years, and Tyus is an expiring and could walk this summer.

I like the podcast a lot and generally agree with Nate but not here. I think Tyus, who is more high level backup PG than starter, on an expiring deal does not have more value than one of the better sixth man in the league this year locked up for another year.

Naz is one of the best deals in the league.

That Nate idea is ludicrous.

[TimberKat]

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/timberwolves/wolves-trade-rumors-jones-hyland-burks-wright-bogdanovic-brogdon-morris-more

I appreciate posts like this.

If any of you hear rumors anywhere, no matter how ludicrous, let’s follow cmoss and post lots of links over the next [DAYS! ].

Unfortunately, it's all stuff that's been discussed here. Nothing even remotely credible or maybe inside info. I heard something from Connelly (I believe), he had a hard time finding trade partner. Finch is comfortable with the top 7 players. So, it may mean nothing will happen. Although my suspicion is we will get either Jones or Morris for a 2nd pick.

[TimberKat]

Trying to figure out who we could trade to get Brogdon. Only thing I can think of is a blockbuster like Grant and Brogdon for KAT.

That would require JMcD or Naz. Most likely JMcD

[Klomp]

Trying to figure out who we could trade to get Brogdon. Only thing I can think of is a blockbuster like Grant and Brogdon for KAT.

That would require JMcD or Naz. Most likely JMcD

People keep looking at Brogdon, but if we're looking at combining assets for someone over $20 million, I think Connelly targets Bruce Brown before Brogdon. Four years younger and have a history together in Denver.