I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired.

[thesack12]

Yeah, if they didn't get #1 Brandon Miller was my guy as well.

However, this is one situation where you can't criticize Troy or the team in general. Miller was never in the equation for Detroit after draft lottery night.

[buzzkilloton]

Brandon Miller with back to back 30+ point games and he's shooting 39% from deep he is looking more and more like a better prospect than anyone on our team.

Dont sweat it Weaver would of passed him for Amen Thompson

JEIII said Miller was 2nd on the Pistons board.

In reality, if we luck into landing one of the 3 PF's in 2022 or one of Miller/Wemby in 2023, this entire situation is totally different because suddenly there really aren't those fit concerns at all.

Yeah I was trolling there. I dont really think he would of passed Miller for Scoot or a Thompson. It was obv Miller fit perfectly even to a crap GM like Weaver.

[Laimbeer]

I am really concerned about the Tobias Harris rumors. What kind of contract might Weaver throw at him?

[7r5ur]

I am really concerned about the Tobias Harris rumors. What kind of contract might Weaver throw at him?

Any free agent vet we get would have to be (at best) a FVV type of deal or maybe a Bruce Brown type with a higher yearly average. 2 or 3 years at a yearly number that other teams wouldn't/couldn't come close to.

[bstein14]

Is Tobias Harris a better player than Bojan? That's the question IMO. Yes he's a bit younger and a better defender but I think Bojan is clearly the better offensive player. Tobias gets the benefit of being the 3rd guy he's never the focal point of the defense Bojan hits contested jumper after contested jumper.

Right now only 6 teams can offer him $20+ million per year. Detroit, Philly, San Antonio, Orlando, Utah, Charlotte.
Orlando makes zero sense with who they have already, and Utah makes no sense either when you factor in who they have. If Philly lands other FAs we might end up being the only team offering above MLE $ for him.... of course it would have to be enough above MLE to make it worth it for him to sign with us instead of a contender's MLE. 4 years $80 million might get it done at his age.

[bstein14]

Yeah, if they didn't get #1 Brandon Miller was my guy as well.

However, this is one situation where you can't criticize Troy or the team in general. Miller was never in the equation for Detroit after draft lottery night.

For sure it was more of a comment replying to the comments above about whether or not Charlotte's young pieces might be better than ours. LaMelo obviously has accomplished more than Cade and that's the first comparison. I wouldn't blame anyone if they think Cade will be better in a year or two than LaMelo but LaMelo's already been an all-star.

Mark Williams and Duren are pretty close at this point both more traditional bigs in a league where those are becoming less and less viable and Duren rebounds a bit better while Williams defends better.

Then if you're looking at the next guy up Brandon Miller is looking better than Ivey or Ausar.

[Snakebites]

Ivey, Cade, Ausar, Duren, Bogey, Burks

We have as many guys we don’t want to trade as we have wins.

Time for new management.

[bstein14]

Ivey, Cade, Ausar, Duren, Bogey, Burks

We have as many guys we don’t want to trade as we have wins.

Time for new management.

Changes are coming soon... Gores promised back in December.... it won't be Weaver or Monty... and we're not wanting to trade any of our main 6 or 7 guys... but changes will be coming soon... big changes we just don't know what they are yet but stay tuned.

[vege]

Ivey, Cade, Ausar, Duren, Bogey, Burks

We have as many guys we don’t want to trade as we have wins.

Time for new management.

It was never said we don't want to trade Bojan and Burks. What I am taking from the reports, since last season, is that we value Bojan and Burks highly and teams are offering less than what we value then.

I despise Weaver since his 1st month as our GM, but he is correct here. You don't trade good players for 2nds or late 1sts, those way more likely than not do not produce NBA players, and if we are going to develop our young guys (which seems unlikely) we need real NBA players around them, not more Saben Lee or Isaiah Livers caliber players in our roster.

But you can use those assets to acquire real NBA players. Yes you can, but if those assets are **** assets, you're not getting players as good as Burks or Bojan.

[vege]

Ivey, Cade, Ausar, Duren, Bogey, Burks

We have as many guys we don’t want to trade as we have wins.

Time for new management.

Changes are coming soon... Gores promised back in December.... it won't be Weaver or Monty... and we're not wanting to trade any of our main 6 or 7 guys... but changes will be coming soon... big changes we just don't know what they are yet but stay tuned.

We hired another coach for the coaching staff and we acquired Gallo and Muscala. Gores alread delivered everything he promissed.

But hey, don't worry, we have a lot of cap flexibility, and Gores is doing a great work with the community.

Oh and Joe Harris will be a Pistons for life.

[Snakebites]

We’re either punting the cap space yet again or we’re overpaying free agents/trade targets, Tobias being a prime candidate in the free agency column.

There is no door number three. So strap in. Hopefully we can manage to overpay guys who actually help us win games.

[GreekAlex]

We’re either punting the cap space yet again or we’re overpaying free agents/trade targets, Tobias being a prime candidate in the free agency column.

There is no door number three. So strap in. Hopefully we can manage to overpay guys who actually help us win games.

I think door number three is absorbing overpaid talent from other teams in trades once they flame out in the playoffs.

The new salary cap rules are more increasingly punishing for teams in the “pretender” catalog that overspend.

[Snakebites]

We’re either punting the cap space yet again or we’re overpaying free agents/trade targets, Tobias being a prime candidate in the free agency column.

There is no door number three. So strap in. Hopefully we can manage to overpay guys who actually help us win games.

I think door number three is absorbing overpaid talent from other teams in trades once they flame out in the playoffs.

The new salary cap rules are more increasingly punishing for teams in the “pretender” catalog that overspend.

I’m not drawing the distinction between overpaying free agents or trade targets. Either way we’d be taking guys not worth their salary into cap space.

[7r5ur]

Yeah, if they didn't get #1 Brandon Miller was my guy as well.

However, this is one situation where you can't criticize Troy or the team in general. Miller was never in the equation for Detroit after draft lottery night.

For sure it was more of a comment replying to the comments above about whether or not Charlotte's young pieces might be better than ours. LaMelo obviously has accomplished more than Cade and that's the first comparison. I wouldn't blame anyone if they think Cade will be better in a year or two than LaMelo but LaMelo's already been an all-star.

Mark Williams and Duren are pretty close at this point both more traditional bigs in a league where those are becoming less and less viable and Duren rebounds a bit better while Williams defends better.

Then if you're looking at the next guy up Brandon Miller is looking better than Ivey or Ausar.

A lot depends on health. LaMelo and Mark Williams have constantly been hurt at this point. Williams with the back issues in a big is troubling. Obviously Cade has had his health issues as well. But even with far better vets in Hayward, Bridges, PJ, and Rozier (until recently) they have arguably been worse than the Pistons this year (worse point differential and lost to us twice!). Both teams have some talent but are a total mess.

[GreekAlex]

We’re either punting the cap space yet again or we’re overpaying free agents/trade targets, Tobias being a prime candidate in the free agency column.

There is no door number three. So strap in. Hopefully we can manage to overpay guys who actually help us win games.

I think door number three is absorbing overpaid talent from other teams in trades once they flame out in the playoffs.

The new salary cap rules are more increasingly punishing for teams in the “pretender” catalog that overspend.

I’m not drawing the distinction between overpaying free agents or trade targets. Either way we’d be taking guys not worth their salary into cap space.

Got it.

I just think that’s probably a better route because they may just be overpaid in relation to their team’s budget rather than overpaid in market value.

[Snakebites]

I think door number three is absorbing overpaid talent from other teams in trades once they flame out in the playoffs.

The new salary cap rules are more increasingly punishing for teams in the “pretender” catalog that overspend.

I’m not drawing the distinction between overpaying free agents or trade targets. Either way we’d be taking guys not worth their salary into cap space.

Got it.

I just think that’s probably a better route because they may just be overpaid in relation to their team’s budget rather than overpaid in market value.

Yeah I’d love to see us grab some guys on reasonable deals without giving up serious capital. I don’t see us landing positive value assets with cap space as the primary asset.

[buzzkilloton]

We’re either punting the cap space yet again or we’re overpaying free agents/trade targets, Tobias being a prime candidate in the free agency column.

There is no door number three. So strap in. Hopefully we can manage to overpay guys who actually help us win games.

DDR/Harris/Bridges. I'll take Bridges he has off court problems but at least hes young.

[thesack12]

Ivey, Cade, Ausar, Duren, Bogey, Burks

We have as many guys we don’t want to trade as we have wins.

Time for new management.

It was never said we don't want to trade Bojan and Burks. What I am taking from the reports, since last season, is that we value Bojan and Burks highly and teams are offering less than what we value then.

I despise Weaver since his 1st month as our GM, but he is correct here. You don't trade good players for 2nds or late 1sts, those way more likely than not do not produce NBA players, and if we are going to develop our young guys (which seems unlikely) we need real NBA players around them, not more Saben Lee or Isaiah Livers caliber players in our roster.

But you can use those assets to acquire real NBA players. Yes you can, but if those assets are **** assets, you're not getting players as good as Burks or Bojan.

Yeah, I'd much rather have late 1sts and 2nd rounders to add to the asset pool which also increases the tradeable fire power, than hanging on to any of the vets currently on the Pistons. Somehow these vets seem to be over-valued within Detroit circles.

I mean what is the long term value of having 35 more games of Alec Burks in a 12-15 win season? What is the long term value of having Monte Morris play backup PG for the rest of the season in a 12-15 win year? What is the long term value of 1.5 more years of a 35 year old Bojan Bogdanovic on a very bad Pistons team?

[buzzkilloton]

Yeah, if they didn't get #1 Brandon Miller was my guy as well.

However, this is one situation where you can't criticize Troy or the team in general. Miller was never in the equation for Detroit after draft lottery night.

For sure it was more of a comment replying to the comments above about whether or not Charlotte's young pieces might be better than ours. LaMelo obviously has accomplished more than Cade and that's the first comparison. I wouldn't blame anyone if they think Cade will be better in a year or two than LaMelo but LaMelo's already been an all-star.

Mark Williams and Duren are pretty close at this point both more traditional bigs in a league where those are becoming less and less viable and Duren rebounds a bit better while Williams defends better.

Then if you're looking at the next guy up Brandon Miller is looking better than Ivey or Ausar.

Are we sure Miller isnt going to the be the most valuable of all these guys? 6'9 7'2 wingspan 3+D wing whos shooting 38.5% from 3pter as a rookie. This is the most coveted archetype ITL outside of the few do everything godzillas like Wemby/Jokic etc. He was the 2nd pick in what was considered an awesome top 3.

Not a slight to Cade or Melo who're both massive talents. Just saying Miller half way through his rookie season looks like a guy who could be a yearly All NBA guy down the road.

For the record not sure how its not the Hornets over our guys just due to the Miller factor.

[Spider156]

My instincts are telling me that we are going for Miles Bridges this trade deadline and Tobias in the summer. There’s absolutely no reason to be doing any business with Morey. Weaver would get fleeced. If he can sign Tobias he would be saving himself as a general manager for the pistons. At that point we’d keep Bojan and Ausar and have a top 5 pick on top of that. We’d be stacked with talent just from one signing which is in 6 months. So I’d wait if I’m weaver on Tobias. But Bridges you gotta get him because he’s cheaper and you have to build the team forward. Also we can afford to lose Bridges for nothing in the summer if he doesn’t work out. I think he would only cost us Killian and 2 2nds.

I think Tobias is gonna get 40m a year easily in the market and he will get 3-4 years so 120-160m. Miles bridges can get 20-25m a year but we can probably negotiate this one.

My prediction this summers:
We will keep Weaver and Monty
Extend morris 30-35m 2 years
Extend Burks 40m 2 years
Sign Tobias 40m a year, 120m-160 TO
Draft best available
Keep Bojan
Let go of Killian, Wiseman, Harris
Sign veteran center (muscala)

This happens and Weaver gets to keep his job. It’s worth the wait if that’s the depth of the team.