Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0

[CarraT]

Might just be me but I don see a realistic trade out there, I hope I am wrong though.

Huh? We have cap space, expirings, picks, and areas of needed upgrade with targets that are get-able. That's all you really need for a realistic trade.

For "home run" trades, obviously it would take trading a lot more and people may be more cautious.

Yes, we have that. Perfect time (and need) for a trade. But what we also have is a lazy af FO who is super risk averse and wont do anything big, being totally afraid theyll lose a trade. In their POV, its easier doing nothing and calling that organic or evaluation than taking a swing and having risk of ending up with bad press. They only care about not losing their job, instead of improving the team long term.

[drsd]

We can't forget to ask "why would we trade for him?"

Because ensuring the 6-seed s worth gold for the young guns. Orlando is a top-3 youngest starting five, and the other two are Detroit and San Antonio. Winning solves a lot of problems.

Does it get us by MIL, PHI or BOS this year? or is it a long play?

No. And it isn't the point. The point is for Orlando to stay over Miami to win the South East division, and overtake Indiana to gain a direct playoff slot. Orlando has a real chance to promote from mediocrity to kinda-good.

Those should be our questions when discussing a player.

Nope.

The point is that the Magic need to continually improve without surrendering any long-term assets. The management clearly favors incremental improvements over step-wise improvements.

Tyus may be an upgrade this year, but it isn't changing our competitiveness with the top teams in the east.

Again: nope. If the Magic is a better team with Jones, then what does it matter if Orlando has Fultz or Jones as the expiring. If the "cost" is to throw in Okeke and a 2nd, so what.

We need to figure out who is going to ride shotgun with Franz and Paolo for a few years past this year.

I know I am a minority opinion on this, but for me the PG slot is very, very far from the major problem on this team. The Magic needs a shooting guard that can shoot. I would rather the Magic make a trade for Trent than Jones, and have Suggs as the "PG".

My point: Orlando should try to improve now. Even if it is a short-term "now".

[drsd]

Probably just an article, but...

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/trade-rumors/nba-trade-rumors-orlando-magic-portland-trail-blazers-deadline-anfernee-simons-malcolm-brogdon

NBA Trade Rumors: Magic Linked to Blazers Guards Before Deadline

The Orlando Magic have been linked in trade rumors to Portland Trail Blazers guards Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon.

All for Simons. He’s been doing a great job distributing the ball.

Their list of five: I am happy with any frankly:
Anfernee Simons
Dejounte Murray
Malcolm Brogdon
Bogdan Bogdanović
Gary Trent Jr.

[jezzerinho]

We can't forget to ask "why would we trade for him?"

Because ensuring the 6-seed s worth gold for the young guns. Orlando is a top-3 youngest starting five, and the other two are Detroit and San Antonio. Winning solves a lot of problems.

Does it get us by MIL, PHI or BOS this year? or is it a long play?

No. And it isn't the point. The point is for Orlando to stay over Miami to win the South East division, and overtake Indiana to gain a direct playoff slot. Orlando has a real chance to promote from mediocrity to kinda-good.

Those should be our questions when discussing a player.

Nope.

The point is that the Magic need to continually improve without surrendering any long-term assets. The management clearly favors incremental improvements over step-wise improvements.

Tyus may be an upgrade this year, but it isn't changing our competitiveness with the top teams in the east.

Again: nope. If the Magic is a better team with Jones, then what does it matter if Orlando has Fultz or Jones as the expiring. If the "cost" is to throw in Okeke and a 2nd, so what.

We need to figure out who is going to ride shotgun with Franz and Paolo for a few years past this year.

I know I am a minority opinion on this, but for me the PG slot is very, very far from the major problem on this team. The Magic needs a shooting guard that can shoot. I would rather the Magic make a trade for Trent than Jones, and have Suggs as the "PG".

My point: Orlando should try to improve now. Even if it is a short-term "now".

Well, dont get too excited.

We're all stuck in Weltman's giant Pygmalion experiment. "I bet you a million bucks I can make a championship team out of draftees".

Its Trading Places, where Paolo is Eddie Murphy and Vucevic is Dan Akroyd.

[pepe1991]

2017- no starting level PG
2018- no starting level PG
2019- no starting level PG
2020- no starting level PG
2021- no starting level PG
2022- no starting level PG
2023- no starting level PG
2024- no starting level PG


Some things never change with Weltman.

Continuity of core makes sense, if you won championship.
Magic have like two players that should be excluded from trade talks. Others are all tradable.

[zaymon]

Probably just an article, but...

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/trade-rumors/nba-trade-rumors-orlando-magic-portland-trail-blazers-deadline-anfernee-simons-malcolm-brogdon

NBA Trade Rumors: Magic Linked to Blazers Guards Before Deadline

The Orlando Magic have been linked in trade rumors to Portland Trail Blazers guards Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon.

All for Simons. He’s been doing a great job distributing the ball.

Their list of five: I am happy with any frankly:
Anfernee Simons
Dejounte Murray
Malcolm Brogdon
Bogdan Bogdanović
Gary Trent Jr.

Its tough with Simons. Do we play two sg's next to each other Simons/Suggs propabky trading Black or do we trade Suggs and go with Black/Simons which makes more sense in the long run.
I feel Simons creates more problems than he answers.

[SOUL]

Its tough with Simons. Do we play two sg's next to each other Simons/Suggs propabky trading Black or do we trade Suggs and go with Black/Simons which makes more sense in the long run.
I feel Simons creates more problems than he answers.

Trading Suggs would be a horrible move...

Ball goes through Wagner/Banchero a lot regardless, so don't need a traditional PG, which is a pretty dead role anyway, just someone who can space the floor.

[drsd]

Its tough with Simons. Do we play two sg's next to each other Simons/Suggs propabky trading Black or do we trade Suggs and go with Black/Simons which makes more sense in the long run.
I feel Simons creates more problems than he answers.

Trading Suggs would be a horrible move...

Ball goes through Wagner/Banchero a lot regardless, so don't need a traditional PG, which is a pretty dead role anyway, just someone who can space the floor.

Management has a tough decision to make. Go easy (i.e. Trent or Kennard for cap space) or go big (i.e. assets for the top-3 on that list of five: Anfernee Simons, Dejounte Murray, or Malcolm Brogdon).

[davey_wavy]

From "friend"

#1 target is Tyus

Brogdon & Lowry & Paul being discussed

Not pursuing Murray, Simons, or Trae but still listening

Have called on Kispert, Royce, Merrill, and Doug

Rival teams calling about Suggs & JI availability

That last sentence made me laugh.

Rival teams should have some ridiculous packages ready to even ask about those guys.

My guess is maybe Portland, Atlanta etc are the teams asking about Jalen while dangling Tre or Simons in our face.

[Message Boar]

Its tough with Simons. Do we play two sg's next to each other Simons/Suggs propabky trading Black or do we trade Suggs and go with Black/Simons which makes more sense in the long run.
I feel Simons creates more problems than he answers.

Trading Suggs would be a horrible move...

Ball goes through Wagner/Banchero a lot regardless, so don't need a traditional PG, which is a pretty dead role anyway, just someone who can space the floor.

Honestly to me Suggs is the heart and soul of this team, and right now is untouchable in the sense that I wouldn't trade him for anything less than an established star that complements Paolo and Franz.

[zaymon]

Its tough with Simons. Do we play two sg's next to each other Simons/Suggs propabky trading Black or do we trade Suggs and go with Black/Simons which makes more sense in the long run.
I feel Simons creates more problems than he answers.

Trading Suggs would be a horrible move...

Ball goes through Wagner/Banchero a lot regardless, so don't need a traditional PG, which is a pretty dead role anyway, just someone who can space the floor.

Maybe not traditional but teams need elite playmaking.
Clippers look much better with Harden than with any shooter.
Jokic.
Lebron.
GSW has Green but also both Curry and Thompson are good passers.

I am not sure if Simons/Wagner/Banchero is enough playmaking. I would say that not enough.

[basketballRob]

Its tough with Simons. Do we play two sg's next to each other Simons/Suggs propabky trading Black or do we trade Suggs and go with Black/Simons which makes more sense in the long run.
I feel Simons creates more problems than he answers.

Trading Suggs would be a horrible move...

Ball goes through Wagner/Banchero a lot regardless, so don't need a traditional PG, which is a pretty dead role anyway, just someone who can space the floor.

Maybe not traditional but teams need elite playmaking.
Clippers look much better with Harden than with any shooter.
Jokic.
Lebron.
GSW has Green but also both Curry and Thompson are good passers.

I am not sure if Simons/Wagner/Banchero is enough playmaking. I would say that not enough.

Our best lineup over the past two weeks only consisted of one guard, either Suggs or Harris.

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[zaymon]

Trading Suggs would be a horrible move...

Ball goes through Wagner/Banchero a lot regardless, so don't need a traditional PG, which is a pretty dead role anyway, just someone who can space the floor.

Maybe not traditional but teams need elite playmaking.
Clippers look much better with Harden than with any shooter.
Jokic.
Lebron.
GSW has Green but also both Curry and Thompson are good passers.

I am not sure if Simons/Wagner/Banchero is enough playmaking. I would say that not enough.

Our best lineup over the past two weeks only consisted of one guard, either Suggs or Harris.

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Its different case. Its as much about our length as about not playing Fultz and Anthony.

[KillMonger]

2017- no starting level PG
2018- no starting level PG
2019- no starting level PG
2020- no starting level PG
2021- no starting level PG
2022- no starting level PG
2023- no starting level PG
2024- no starting level PG


Some things never change with Weltman.

Continuity of core makes sense, if you won championship.
Magic have like two players that should be excluded from trade talks. Others are all tradable.

jesus man, has it really been that long with weltman? the only real big splash he's responsible for is blowing the team up

[VFX]

Its tough with Simons. Do we play two sg's next to each other Simons/Suggs propabky trading Black or do we trade Suggs and go with Black/Simons which makes more sense in the long run.
I feel Simons creates more problems than he answers.

Trading Suggs would be a horrible move...

Ball goes through Wagner/Banchero a lot regardless, so don't need a traditional PG, which is a pretty dead role anyway, just someone who can space the floor.

Management has a tough decision to make. Go easy (i.e. Trent or Kennard for cap space) or go big (i.e. assets for the top-3 on that list of five: Anfernee Simons, Dejounte Murray, or Malcolm Brogdon).

None of the players listed are better than Suggs.

I don’t see them going to a traditional SG, which is why you haven’t heard rumors about them doing so.

Brogdon, Tyus, Paul, Lowry, Simons, Murray…
Those aren’t bigger shooting guards like Trent or Kennard. We don’t need that player.

And if your argument is that Orlando does, then you are in luck… because they drafted a 6’8 shooting guard and have another 6’6 shooting guard on the bench.

[eyriq]

Then we'd better damn make sure that person is the answer long term. Not sure that trade is out there yet.

We drafted our homerun PG

At his best who would you hope to compare him to?

If Kemba Walker, Bruce Brown, and SGA had a baby

[Skybox]

We drafted our homerun PG

At his best who would you hope to compare him to?

If Kemba Walker, Bruce Brown, and SGA had a baby

It's a really legit question...

Honestly, what do you think AB is in a year or three?

I don't think he's ever a real scoring threat. Potentially elite defender. Makes open threes if you dare him. Decent facilitator but more hockey assists than direct offensive creation (even that's a maybe)...Honestly, if I'm not being a total homer, it's hard to really call him more than a Matisse Thybulle who can bring the ball up...I just don't see how that will ever fit in a starting lineup with Suggs. I do expect more offense from Suggs, but I don't see him getting past 15-17 ppg. If one of them is off the bench, you've got constant defensive intensity - but accept that one comes off the bench or is moved, imo.

Not knocking. Both are valuable roles...but be realistic about a real starting PG role in this NBA.

[RichCollab]

Why the love affair with Trent? What has he proven on the court other than 3pt %. I don’t see Trent as a long term starter. Maybe not even in the short term.

[pepe1991]

2017- no starting level PG
2018- no starting level PG
2019- no starting level PG
2020- no starting level PG
2021- no starting level PG
2022- no starting level PG
2023- no starting level PG
2024- no starting level PG


Some things never change with Weltman.

Continuity of core makes sense, if you won championship.
Magic have like two players that should be excluded from trade talks. Others are all tradable.

jesus man, has it really been that long with weltman? the only real big splash he's responsible for is blowing the team up

Biggest FA additions to this date:
Al Faruq Aminu
Joe Ingles ( probably retired after this year)

[eyriq]

At his best who would you hope to compare him to?

If Kemba Walker, Bruce Brown, and SGA had a baby

It's a really legit question...

Honestly, what do you think AB is in a year or three?

I don't think he's ever a real scoring threat. Potentially elite defender. Makes open threes if you dare him. Decent facilitator but more hockey assists than direct offensive creation (even that's a maybe)...Honestly, if I'm not being a total homer, it's hard to really call him more than a Matisse Thybulle who can bring the ball up...I just don't see how that will ever fit in a starting lineup with Suggs. I do expect more offense from Suggs, but I don't see him getting past 15-17 ppg. If one of them is off the bench, you've got constant defensive intensity - but accept that one comes off the bench or is moved, imo.

Not knocking. Both are valuable roles...but be realistic about a real starting PG role in this NBA.

Lonzo Ball is a comp, a more athletic, less scoring oriented Cade is another comp. He's going to be a stud though, right there as a prospect with Suggs.