Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24

[Fierce1]

Even if Al and KP are healthy, that doesn't mean they won't get in foul trouble.

As good a rim protector is KP, he's not a good post defender.

Cs will need that 3rd big more if the Cs are playing the Bucks and Nuggets.

[snowman]

The thing we have to remember is that NO GM is going to tell the world his true plans or deals that they may be working on. I think Drummond, Olynyk are just smoke screene.

I could be totally wrong, but:
1) If Boston signs a big, I think it will be Queta. He already has a role and brings something no-one else brings to the team. I think Brad will leave the 15th spot open until after the deadline in case he needs it for player movement, but after the deadline I look for Queta to be signed.

2)I believe that Brad is looking to move our first round pick this year. I don't think he is interested in a four-year guarantied salary at the 30th pick when he has 2 second round picks (right now) that he can sign how he wants. Remember a first round pick can't be signed as a two-way player, so Brad would not have the flexibility to use that if needed in signing a first-round pick. He could get another second-round pick back in addition to a player if he moves the first rounder in a trade.

3)If he does a trade, I expect it to be one of Svi, Stevens or Banton, (I'm leaning toward Stevens on the simple fact of minutes played) along with our first-round pick for a wing that fits into our 6.2 mil TPE. If I'm not mistaken, the TPE expires on 7/12, so it would have to be used during this trade deadline, because it would not be available during the summer or during the draft. (Someone please fact check me on that)

[hugepatsfan]

BRK gives: F Royce O'Neale, F Trendon Watford
BRK gets: Svi, Banton, 2024 BOS 1st

CHI gives: G Jevon Carter
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, F Lamar Stevens, 2nd rounders (they have extra roster spot to use)

BOS gives: Pritchard, Svi, Banton, Stevens, 1st, 2nds
BOS gets: F Royce O'Neale, G Jevon Carter, F Trendon Watford

Holiday / Carter
White / (Brown)
Brown / O'Neale / Hauser... Walsh
Tatum / Brissett... Watford
Porzingis / Horford... Kornet / Queta (converted to NBA deal)

Sign a buyout guard with the open 15th spot. Or maybe just someone like Austin Rivers if he's in shape. IDK.

[Larry_Russell]

BRK gives: F Royce O'Neale, F Trendon Watford
BRK gets: Svi, Banton, 2024 BOS 1st

CHI gives: G Jevon Carter
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, F Lamar Stevens, 2nd rounders (they have extra roster spot to use)

BOS gives: Pritchard, Svi, Banton, Stevens, 1st, 2nds
BOS gets: F Royce O'Neale, G Jevon Carter, F Trendon Watford

Holiday / Carter
White / (Brown)
Brown / O'Neale / Hauser... Walsh
Tatum / Brissett... Watford
Porzingis / Horford... Kornet / Queta (converted to NBA deal)

Sign a buyout guard with the open 15th spot. Or maybe just someone like Austin Rivers if he's in shape. IDK.

I really like watford a LOT.

Like the idea of he and oneal.

See no reason to go after Carter, imo.

PLayoff rotation

Jrue (38) / White (10)
White (28) / Brown (20)
Brown (18) / Tatum (8) / Hauser/Oneal (22)
Tatum (30) / Horford (18)
KP (36) / Horford (12)

[hugepatsfan]

BRK gives: F Royce O'Neale, F Trendon Watford
BRK gets: Svi, Banton, 2024 BOS 1st

CHI gives: G Jevon Carter
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, F Lamar Stevens, 2nd rounders (they have extra roster spot to use)

BOS gives: Pritchard, Svi, Banton, Stevens, 1st, 2nds
BOS gets: F Royce O'Neale, G Jevon Carter, F Trendon Watford

Holiday / Carter
White / (Brown)
Brown / O'Neale / Hauser... Walsh
Tatum / Brissett... Watford
Porzingis / Horford... Kornet / Queta (converted to NBA deal)

Sign a buyout guard with the open 15th spot. Or maybe just someone like Austin Rivers if he's in shape. IDK.

I really like watford a LOT.

Like the idea of he and oneal.

See no reason to go after Carter, imo.

PLayoff rotation

Jrue (38) / White (10)
White (28) / Brown (20)
Brown (18) / Tatum (8) / Hauser/Oneal (22)
Tatum (30) / Horford (18)
KP (36) / Horford (12)

To get O'Neale you need to use Pritchard's salary. You can scrape that backup guard spot out of the playoff rotation like you have here, but not for the regular season. Jrue and Pritchard won't play every game and they won't play 38 minutes per game each like you have here. I added Carter so we have needed depth there for the regular season at least.

[Larry_Russell]

BRK gives: F Royce O'Neale, F Trendon Watford
BRK gets: Svi, Banton, 2024 BOS 1st

CHI gives: G Jevon Carter
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, F Lamar Stevens, 2nd rounders (they have extra roster spot to use)

BOS gives: Pritchard, Svi, Banton, Stevens, 1st, 2nds
BOS gets: F Royce O'Neale, G Jevon Carter, F Trendon Watford

Holiday / Carter
White / (Brown)
Brown / O'Neale / Hauser... Walsh
Tatum / Brissett... Watford
Porzingis / Horford... Kornet / Queta (converted to NBA deal)

Sign a buyout guard with the open 15th spot. Or maybe just someone like Austin Rivers if he's in shape. IDK.

I really like watford a LOT.

Like the idea of he and oneal.

See no reason to go after Carter, imo.

PLayoff rotation

Jrue (38) / White (10)
White (28) / Brown (20)
Brown (18) / Tatum (8) / Hauser/Oneal (22)
Tatum (30) / Horford (18)
KP (36) / Horford (12)

To get O'Neale you need to use Pritchard's salary. You can scrape that backup guard spot out of the playoff rotation like you have here, but not for the regular season. Jrue and Pritchard won't play every game and they won't play 38 minutes per game each like you have here. I added Carter so we have needed depth there for the regular season at least.

Then not worth it imo.

Go after watford sure, I really like him and he has a lot of potential, imo.

Then just use TPE or a combination of Svi and Stevens for a big wing.

Watford and Walker both fit into the TPE

[BK_2020]

We could literally just play Banton and Davison in the 3rd PG role for the rest of the season and not feel much of a hit.

[Triple7]

A simple solution would just to get Saric.

You can throw Saric at Giannis and Jokic.

Caruso is more of a luxury item.

Warriors won’t let him go. We don’t even have anyone to offer that the warriors might want.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics are not going to trade any of their Top 9 players (Jrue, DWhite, JB, JT, KP, Big Al, Pritchard, Hauser, Kornet) unless a sure fire playoff performer is coming back in the trade. Anything else would be like moving the chairs around on the Titanic.

Celtics are either going to add to that Top 9, significantly upgrade to that Top 9 or do nothing.

Celtics with the best record in the NBA have a solid Top 9

[Triple7]

The thing we have to remember is that NO GM is going to tell the world his true plans or deals that they may be working on. I think Drummond, Olynyk are just smoke screene.

I could be totally wrong, but:
1) If Boston signs a big, I think it will be Queta. He already has a role and brings something no-one else brings to the team. I think Brad will leave the 15th spot open until after the deadline in case he needs it for player movement, but after the deadline I look for Queta to be signed.

2)I believe that Brad is looking to move our first round pick this year. I don't think he is interested in a four-year guarantied salary at the 30th pick when he has 2 second round picks (right now) that he can sign how he wants. Remember a first round pick can't be signed as a two-way player, so Brad would not have the flexibility to use that if needed in signing a first-round pick. He could get another second-round pick back in addition to a player if he moves the first rounder in a trade.

3)If he does a trade, I expect it to be one of Svi, Stevens or Banton, (I'm leaning toward Stevens on the simple fact of minutes played) along with our first-round pick for a wing that fits into our 6.2 mil TPE. If I'm not mistaken, the TPE expires on 7/12, so it would have to be used during this trade deadline, because it would not be available during the summer or during the draft. (Someone please fact check me on that)

Let’s be realistic here. Queta won’t play much in the playoffs if Al and Horf are healthy. He would also be behind Kornet, and Kornet is as soft as you can get. We need an extra big for assurance. Drummond or biyombo would be fine vets. Could play valuable limited mins in the playoffs if we face a bigger team.

[Hal14]

Let's also not take for granted the best record in the NBA.

The last 2 times the Celtics won a championship, 1986 and 2008, the Celtics had the best record.

When not having the best record the last time the Celtics made the finals, 1987, 2010, and 2022, the Celtics ended up losing all 3 finals series.

Referencing series that took place 40 years ago is not really relevant to a discussion about trying to win the title today.

Also, when we lost the 2022 NBA finals, the warriors team that beat us did not have the best record in the league.

We just lost last season to the 8 seed when we were the 2 seed. Reg season doesn't mean all that much in 2024. It's all about putting together the best roster (top 8 guys) and load managing those guys enough so they're all healthy come playoff time.

2023 nuggets: 4th best record in the league
2022 warriors: tied for 3rd best record in the league
2021 bucks: 7th best record in the league
2020 lakers: 3rd best record in the league
2019 raptors: 2nd best record in the league
2018 warriors: 3rd best record in the league

The team with the best record in the NBA hasn't won any of the past 6 NBA titles.

[RickyDizzle]

BRK gives: F Royce O'Neale, F Trendon Watford
BRK gets: Svi, Banton, 2024 BOS 1st

CHI gives: G Jevon Carter
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, F Lamar Stevens, 2nd rounders (they have extra roster spot to use)

BOS gives: Pritchard, Svi, Banton, Stevens, 1st, 2nds
BOS gets: F Royce O'Neale, G Jevon Carter, F Trendon Watford

Holiday / Carter
White / (Brown)
Brown / O'Neale / Hauser... Walsh
Tatum / Brissett... Watford
Porzingis / Horford... Kornet / Queta (converted to NBA deal)

Sign a buyout guard with the open 15th spot. Or maybe just someone like Austin Rivers if he's in shape. IDK.

I really like watford a LOT.

Like the idea of he and oneal.

See no reason to go after Carter, imo.

PLayoff rotation

Jrue (38) / White (10)
White (28) / Brown (20)
Brown (18) / Tatum (8) / Hauser/Oneal (22)
Tatum (30) / Horford (18)
KP (36) / Horford (12)

To get O'Neale you need to use Pritchard's salary. You can scrape that backup guard spot out of the playoff rotation like you have here, but not for the regular season. Jrue and Pritchard won't play every game and they won't play 38 minutes per game each like you have here. I added Carter so we have needed depth there for the regular season at least.

The Carter thing makes sense. I've had similar thoughts that he can backfill Pritchards spot through the TPE, if Pritchard were used in a larger trade for salary matching. I'm sure the Bulls would rather have Pritchard then Carter given where they are as a team. I don't think they should be getting 2nds in your deal.

Here's what I came up:

BOS, CHA, BRK
Celtics trade two 1sts, a low 2nd, Pritchard, Svi, Banton, Stevens get Nik Richards into TPE, Royce O'Neil and a 2nd from Cha.

Brooklyn trades Royce O'Neil, receives, Cody Martin, Svi, and a 2024 Boston 1st, and a low 2nd from boston

Charlotte trades Nik Richard's, Cody Martin, a 2nd, receives 1st from Boston, Pritchard, Banton, Stevens.

Charlotte get a pick, saves money, and get Pritchard as a young promising low cost player.

Brooklyn downgrades from Royce to Martin for but gets some draft capital.

Celtics upgrade 3rd big and rebounding with TPE (Richards), get a veteran wing (O'Neil), trade two last firsts but get a good second back from Charlotte.

In this scenario, Kornet could be traded for Javon Carter or some other backup guard and Queta could be converted, though still a 4th center until Al retires.

[celtxman]

I understand wanting to improve because the Celtics really have a big chance of winning a championship this season.

But let's not forget what happened at the trade deadline in 2011.

Ainge traded Perk for Jeff Green.

Clearly the Celtics got the better player in Jeff Green, but it upset the guys in the locker room, especially KG.

The Celtics went 14-11 after that Jeff Green trade.

The worst thing is that there were other wing available they could have gotten without trading Perkins

[GoCeltics123]

▪ Just like every other year, Celtics executives are continuing to make calls and look for ways to upgrade prior to Thursday’s trade deadline. One league source said it would be a surprise if the Celtics do not complete a minor move, but it most likely would be to add a player as insurance in case of future injuries rather than to alter the current rotation.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/02/05/sports/celtics-writers-notebook-walsh-smart/

Himmelsbach

[Fierce1]

Let's also not take for granted the best record in the NBA.

The last 2 times the Celtics won a championship, 1986 and 2008, the Celtics had the best record.

When not having the best record the last time the Celtics made the finals, 1987, 2010, and 2022, the Celtics ended up losing all 3 finals series.

Referencing series that took place 40 years ago is not really relevant to a discussion about trying to win the title today.

Also, when we lost the 2022 NBA finals, the warriors team that beat us did not have the best record in the league.

We just lost last season to the 8 seed when we were the 2 seed. Reg season doesn't mean all that much in 2024. It's all about putting together the best roster (top 8 guys) and load managing those guys enough so they're all healthy come playoff time.

2023 nuggets: 4th best record in the league
2022 warriors: tied for 3rd best record in the league
2021 bucks: 7th best record in the league
2020 lakers: 3rd best record in the league
2019 raptors: 2nd best record in the league
2018 warriors: 3rd best record in the league

The team with the best record in the NBA hasn't won any of the past 6 NBA titles. I really don't want to hear anyone saying that we have the best record in the NBA anymore lol.

2 things we disagree about, trading PP and winning a championship with the best record.

In 2 days we will know the answer if Brad trades PP and a few Celtic bench players to upgrade.

But we'll have to wait a little longer for the best record Celtics winning a championship.

And 2008 is not 40 years ago.

[Celts17Pride]

Why exactly would the Celtics trade Pritchard and two 1st round picks for Nick Richards and Royce O'Neale?

Neither player O'Neale or Richards would play in the playoffs.

[RickyDizzle]

Why exactly would the Celtics trade Pritchard and two 1st round picks for Nick Richards and Royce O'Neale?

Neither player O'Neale or Richards would play in the playoffs.

... And a good second from Charlotte.

Because they lack rebounding, bench rim protection, and a veteran 2-way wing reserve. I guess you don't like the move but the 30th pick in the draft twice, isn't really that valuable. Charlotte's 2nd is like getting one of those picks back (almost).

Anyway that's the rationale.

[Fierce1]

Also doesn't make sense to trade PP and 2 1st round picks for Caruso.

Caruso will be sitting on the bench in the last 5 minutes of every playoff game if everybody is healthy.

Just too much to give up for a 3rd PG.

[Hal14]

Kornet is underrated, imo.



With that being said, if we can get a big like Olynyk or Beef Stew, then sure - go for it.

But I'm not convinced that someone like Richards (or even Drummond) is an upgrade over Kornet.

[165bows]

Super lukewarm at best about Pritchard for Royce O'Neal.

Pritchard has better trade value and O'Neal likely isn't playable with Horford (recreates last year's (and the year before that) issue of two bigs that can only score behind the arc on low volume).