Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 5.0 - Somebody save us

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And for the record I’m not disagree, I’ve said on here countless times Sexton is better. I’m just trying to take advantage of Ainges love of Herro and sextons rumored availability and for some reason I do still feel Herro has more value around the league and people may be nearly as delusional about him as we are.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We went from not wanting to trade Herro for Mitchell to now Collin Sexton supposedly having more value than him, crazy world we live in

Sexton makes 10 mill less a year than Herro and is having a very good season. Herro and his value are not good, now imagine how much worse that value will become if we move him to the bench. Always think big picture.

It is comical that we tried to use Herro as bait to get a whale, Mitchel, KD and now his value is so low he cant even get Sexton in return unless we pony up multiple first round draft picks to good old Danny. Our front office needs a reality check and we need to demand accountability from everyone in the organization, from top to bottom.

We could’ve probably had several major upgrades, even ones that we don’t know about if we wouldn’t have been so delusional about this dude. Makes me sick. Damn near every team in the league has a Herro type player that is nearly just as good or better than him, he’s not special

When you look up and down at most teams depth chart and I would say yes that most teams have a Herro type player which makes it awfully difficult to trade him for equal value. Now someone can and will gamble on Herro much like the Wiz did with Jordan Poole but most likely looking at a team looking to cash in expiring veterans who have a hard time getting good young talent in the open market. This is what makes the Detroit Pistons a viable trade partner. Not only for Herro but also for Duncan Robinson.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We went from not wanting to trade Herro for Mitchell to now Collin Sexton supposedly having more value than him, crazy world we live in

Sexton makes 10 mill less a year than Herro and is having a very good season. Herro and his value are not good, now imagine how much worse that value will become if we move him to the bench. Always think big picture.

It is comical that we tried to use Herro as bait to get a whale, Mitchel, KD and now his value is so low he cant even get Sexton in return unless we pony up multiple first round draft picks to good old Danny. Our front office needs a reality check and we need to demand accountability from everyone in the organization, from top to bottom.

Absolutely this. Our front office isn't fooling anyone around the league anymore fishing Tyler Herro for a whale. His trade value like I've been saying is most likely on par with Jordan Poole due to his contract alone. Our best trade chip right now has become Jaime Jaquez. Like Bammy likes to say he has 5 years worth of data on Herro and you know who does too? Every scouting department in the league.

5 years of Jordan Clarkson with more shot attempts and usage literally

Jordan Clarkson last year: 20.8-4.0-4.4 on 16.9 FGA 56TS%
27.8 usage

Herro this year: 21.0-5.4-4.3 on 18.2 FGA 54TS% 28.2 usage

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Sexton makes 10 mill less a year than Herro and is having a very good season. Herro and his value are not good, now imagine how much worse that value will become if we move him to the bench. Always think big picture.

It is comical that we tried to use Herro as bait to get a whale, Mitchel, KD and now his value is so low he cant even get Sexton in return unless we pony up multiple first round draft picks to good old Danny. Our front office needs a reality check and we need to demand accountability from everyone in the organization, from top to bottom.

We could’ve probably had several major upgrades, even ones that we don’t know about if we wouldn’t have been so delusional about this dude. Makes me sick. Damn near every team in the league has a Herro type player that is nearly just as good or better than him, he’s not special

When you look up and down at most teams depth chart and I would say yes that most teams have a Herro type player which makes it awfully difficult to trade him for equal value. Now someone can and will gamble on Herro much like the Wiz did with Jordan Poole but most likely looking at a team looking to cash in expiring veterans who have a hard time getting good young talent in the open market. This is what makes the Detroit Pistons a viable trade partner. Not only for Herro but also for Duncan Robinson.

Herro and filler (maybe Jovic) for Bojan Burks and a 1st fixes our 2nd apron issues, gives us an extra asset, and the ability to aggregate contracts to go after Mitchell or send back to Cleveland in a sign and trade if we can get Mitchell the way we got Jimmy.

Pistons wanted Lavine, now they get Herro who is worse but fits their timeline better and get to keep their other young pieces that’s the bulls wanted as well or use them for a separate trade if they want to try and be competitive

[MettaWorldPanda]

And for the record I’m not disagree, I’ve said on here countless times Sexton is better. I’m just trying to take advantage of Ainges love of Herro and sextons rumored availability and for some reason I do still feel Herro has more value around the league and people may be nearly as delusional about him as we are.

There was a report that came out in the summer that Portland wanted absolutely nothing too do with Herro. A scout said that the only way they could justify trading for him was if he was scoring at an insane rate to make up for his awful defense. It was all over that Portland didn't want him and Herro even came out and said he was happy Portland didn't want him and that he was going to prove all his doubters wrong and come in with a chip on his shoulder. He did for about a good month until he started falling back into bad habits again. It's hard to fault Herro on his defense because his measurables screamed he was never going to be good at it with a negative wingspan coming in at 6'3.

We must have thought his 6'5 height and maybe some muscle could make that work but his body type has been unable to maintain weight throughout the season. He's essentially JJ Reddick with more of a dribble package and on perfect days a bit more ignitable. JJ Reddick also had a 6'3 wingspan and was always on the borderline of starting and coming off the bench as a 6th man. Much like Herro he always demanded he was a starter until eventually he settled back into a 6th man bench role. Herro at the moment currently has more value to us then we are going to be able to fetch on the open market. He's better then Duncan Robinson so this is why I'm suggesting trading Duncan for a much more affordable and compatible option to Tyler Herro.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Just reliving the glory days

[MettaWorldPanda]

Sexton makes 10 mill less a year than Herro and is having a very good season. Herro and his value are not good, now imagine how much worse that value will become if we move him to the bench. Always think big picture.

It is comical that we tried to use Herro as bait to get a whale, Mitchel, KD and now his value is so low he cant even get Sexton in return unless we pony up multiple first round draft picks to good old Danny. Our front office needs a reality check and we need to demand accountability from everyone in the organization, from top to bottom.

Absolutely this. Our front office isn't fooling anyone around the league anymore fishing Tyler Herro for a whale. His trade value like I've been saying is most likely on par with Jordan Poole due to his contract alone. Our best trade chip right now has become Jaime Jaquez. Like Bammy likes to say he has 5 years worth of data on Herro and you know who does too? Every scouting department in the league.

5 years of Jordan Clarkson with more shot attempts and usage literally

Jordan Clarkson last year: 20.8-4.0-4.4 on 16.9 FGA 56TS%
27.8 usage

Herro this year: 21.0-5.4-4.3 on 18.2 FGA 54TS% 28.2 usage

He's a mix of Clarkson and Reddick. Clarkson at least has a 6'10 wingspan.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We could’ve probably had several major upgrades, even ones that we don’t know about if we wouldn’t have been so delusional about this dude. Makes me sick. Damn near every team in the league has a Herro type player that is nearly just as good or better than him, he’s not special

When you look up and down at most teams depth chart and I would say yes that most teams have a Herro type player which makes it awfully difficult to trade him for equal value. Now someone can and will gamble on Herro much like the Wiz did with Jordan Poole but most likely looking at a team looking to cash in expiring veterans who have a hard time getting good young talent in the open market. This is what makes the Detroit Pistons a viable trade partner. Not only for Herro but also for Duncan Robinson.

Herro and filler (maybe Jovic) for Bojan Burks and a 1st fixes our 2nd apron issues, gives us an extra asset, and the ability to aggregate contracts to go after Mitchell or send back to Cleveland in a sign and trade if we can get Mitchell the way we got Jimmy.

Pistons wanted Lavine, now they get Herro who is worse but fits their timeline better and get to keep their other young pieces that’s the bulls wanted as well or use them for a separate trade if they want to try and be competitive

This is a spot on deal but we won't have the balls to pull it off. Riley won't swallow his pride even though it makes us better this year and opens up the books for the following years.

[twix2500]

Collin Sexton has played himself into the multiple first trade category or long term piece for Utah. Not the trade me for Tyler Herro category. Just because Ainge loves Herro doesn't mean he's an idiot

We went from not wanting to trade Herro for Mitchell to now Collin Sexton supposedly having more value than him, crazy world we live in

Sexton makes 10 mill less a year than Herro and is having a very good season. Herro and his value are not good, now imagine how much worse that value will become if we move him to the bench. Always think big picture.

It is comical that we tried to use Herro as bait to get a whale, Mitchel, KD and now his value is so low he cant even get Sexton in return unless we pony up multiple first round draft picks to good old Danny. Our front office needs a reality check and we need to demand accountability from everyone in the organization, from top to bottom.

You just showed that Herro is losing value as a starter. If he flourishes as a 6th man do you not think his value will increase?

Put a player in position they can flourish and mostly impact the team as a whole. Jazz put Sexton at shooting guard and a big defensive point next to him and the team as a whole took off. They didn't just stick another scorer next to him. Right role and right glue guy

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[Flash4thewin]

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This could be nothing or it could be huge. If im Jimmy I dont blame him for wanting the cash. Also seeing how we never went all in for him, maybe thats why he feels he is entitled to a huge extension and again I wouldn't blame him. Hopefully this doesn't become a Harden 2.0 situation.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And for the record I’m not disagree, I’ve said on here countless times Sexton is better. I’m just trying to take advantage of Ainges love of Herro and sextons rumored availability and for some reason I do still feel Herro has more value around the league and people may be nearly as delusional about him as we are.

There was a report that came out in the summer that Portland wanted absolutely nothing too do with Herro. A scout said that the only way they could justify trading for him was if he was scoring at an insane rate to make up for his awful defense. It was all over that Portland didn't want him and Herro even came out and said he was happy Portland didn't want him and that he was going to prove all his doubters wrong and come in with a chip on his shoulder. He did for about a good month until he started falling back into bad habits again. It's hard to fault Herro on his defense because his measurables screamed he was never going to be good at is with a negative wingspan coming in at 6'3.

We must have thought his 6'5 height and maybe some muscle could make that work but his body type has been unable to maintain weight throughout the season. He's essentially JJ Reddick with more of a dribble package and on perfect days a bit more ignitable. JJ Reddick also had a 6'3 wingspan and was always on the borderline of starting and coming off the bench as a 6th man. Much like Herro he always demanded he was a starter until eventually he settled back into a 6th man bench role. Herro at the moment currently has more value to us then we are going to be able to fetch on the open market. He's better then Duncan Robinson so this is why I'm suggesting trading Duncan for a much more affordable and compatible option to Tyler Herro.

I can actually understand Portland not being interested though, they knew they were drafting Scoot, had Simons and Sharpe already, Simon’s is far better and Sharpe and Scoot obviously have far higher potentially.

Exactly on the wingspan and that’s exactly why I can not believe how delusional the front office has been with this guy over the years. He’s 6’5 with a 6’3 wingspan, weak, not very quick or athletic and is a traffic cone defensively. Like I am actually baffled at the way they view him because nothing, literally nothing, about him shows that he’s a high potential all star level player but meanwhile they’re telling him to think Booker but better while Herros out here scoring 17 points on 19 shots pretty often and Booker is going for 40,50,60, even 70 on any given night lol just amazes me

[3ammy3uck3ts]

When you look up and down at most teams depth chart and I would say yes that most teams have a Herro type player which makes it awfully difficult to trade him for equal value. Now someone can and will gamble on Herro much like the Wiz did with Jordan Poole but most likely looking at a team looking to cash in expiring veterans who have a hard time getting good young talent in the open market. This is what makes the Detroit Pistons a viable trade partner. Not only for Herro but also for Duncan Robinson.

Herro and filler (maybe Jovic) for Bojan Burks and a 1st fixes our 2nd apron issues, gives us an extra asset, and the ability to aggregate contracts to go after Mitchell or send back to Cleveland in a sign and trade if we can get Mitchell the way we got Jimmy.

Pistons wanted Lavine, now they get Herro who is worse but fits their timeline better and get to keep their other young pieces that’s the bulls wanted as well or use them for a separate trade if they want to try and be competitive

This is a spot on deal but we won't have the balls to pull it off. Riley won't swallow his pride even though it makes us better this year and opens up the books for the following years.

I know man it sucks. Just straight basketball wise it forces Duncan into the starting lineup and now his backup is Burks who is an elite shooter and comes in some nights and is just a straight flamethrower. Hes got games of 34, 33, 27, 24 etc. off the bench this year, that kind of scoring can completely change the game depending on if the starters handled business or not. $30M coming off the books gives us tons of flexibility as well. It makes alot of sense but yea we won’t do it. We still view him as a centerpiece for our next “whale” who we won’t get because we’ll still be valuing Jordan Reddick too much to be serious and include picks and/or Jovic

[MettaWorldPanda]

And for the record I’m not disagree, I’ve said on here countless times Sexton is better. I’m just trying to take advantage of Ainges love of Herro and sextons rumored availability and for some reason I do still feel Herro has more value around the league and people may be nearly as delusional about him as we are.

There was a report that came out in the summer that Portland wanted absolutely nothing too do with Herro. A scout said that the only way they could justify trading for him was if he was scoring at an insane rate to make up for his awful defense. It was all over that Portland didn't want him and Herro even came out and said he was happy Portland didn't want him and that he was going to prove all his doubters wrong and come in with a chip on his shoulder. He did for about a good month until he started falling back into bad habits again. It's hard to fault Herro on his defense because his measurables screamed he was never going to be good at is with a negative wingspan coming in at 6'3.

We must have thought his 6'5 height and maybe some muscle could make that work but his body type has been unable to maintain weight throughout the season. He's essentially JJ Reddick with more of a dribble package and on perfect days a bit more ignitable. JJ Reddick also had a 6'3 wingspan and was always on the borderline of starting and coming off the bench as a 6th man. Much like Herro he always demanded he was a starter until eventually he settled back into a 6th man bench role. Herro at the moment currently has more value to us then we are going to be able to fetch on the open market. He's better then Duncan Robinson so this is why I'm suggesting trading Duncan for a much more affordable and compatible option to Tyler Herro.

I can actually understand Portland not being interested though, they knew they were drafting Scoot, had Simons and Sharpe already, Simon’s is far better and Sharpe and Scoot obviously have far higher potentially.

Exactly on the wingspan and that’s exactly why I can not believe how delusional the front office has been with this guy over the years. He’s 6’5 with a 6’3 wingspan, weak, not very quick or athletic and is a traffic cone defensively. Like I am actually baffled at the way they view him because nothing, literally nothing, about him shows that he’s a high potential all star level player but meanwhile they’re telling him to think Booker but better while Herros out here scoring 17 points on 19 shots pretty often and Booker is going for 40,50,60, even 70 on any given night lol just amazes me

Riley fell in love with Herro because he apparently crushed his tryout. I guess the Heat have this baseline shooting workout where a player just runs up and down the court hitting shots and apparently he was the best player to ever master it or something along those lines. I guess for Riley that meant he was going to translate into a star. I guess they also liked his moxxie coming out of Kentucky and his knack for hitting big shots which is something you can't take away from him even though I feel like throughout the last few years he's become a bit soft from when he first came out when he was mean mugging the Lakers in the finals. I think social media has gotten to him.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We went from not wanting to trade Herro for Mitchell to now Collin Sexton supposedly having more value than him, crazy world we live in

Sexton makes 10 mill less a year than Herro and is having a very good season. Herro and his value are not good, now imagine how much worse that value will become if we move him to the bench. Always think big picture.

It is comical that we tried to use Herro as bait to get a whale, Mitchel, KD and now his value is so low he cant even get Sexton in return unless we pony up multiple first round draft picks to good old Danny. Our front office needs a reality check and we need to demand accountability from everyone in the organization, from top to bottom.

You just showed that Herro is losing value as a starter. If he flourishes as a 6th man do you not think his value will increase?

Put a player in position they can flourish and mostly impact the team as a whole. Jazz put Sexton at shooting guard and a big defensive point next to him and the team as a whole took off. They didn't just stick another scorer next to him. Right role and right glue guy

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I agree with this.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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This could be nothing or it could be huge. If im Jimmy I dont blame him for wanting the cash. Also seeing how we never went all in for him, maybe thats why he feels he is entitled to a huge extension and again I wouldn't blame him. Hopefully this doesn't become a Harden 2.0 situation.

Jimmy’s agent came out last week saying he will never leave Miami and he will retire here so I feel good about it

[3ammy3uck3ts]

There was a report that came out in the summer that Portland wanted absolutely nothing too do with Herro. A scout said that the only way they could justify trading for him was if he was scoring at an insane rate to make up for his awful defense. It was all over that Portland didn't want him and Herro even came out and said he was happy Portland didn't want him and that he was going to prove all his doubters wrong and come in with a chip on his shoulder. He did for about a good month until he started falling back into bad habits again. It's hard to fault Herro on his defense because his measurables screamed he was never going to be good at is with a negative wingspan coming in at 6'3.

We must have thought his 6'5 height and maybe some muscle could make that work but his body type has been unable to maintain weight throughout the season. He's essentially JJ Reddick with more of a dribble package and on perfect days a bit more ignitable. JJ Reddick also had a 6'3 wingspan and was always on the borderline of starting and coming off the bench as a 6th man. Much like Herro he always demanded he was a starter until eventually he settled back into a 6th man bench role. Herro at the moment currently has more value to us then we are going to be able to fetch on the open market. He's better then Duncan Robinson so this is why I'm suggesting trading Duncan for a much more affordable and compatible option to Tyler Herro.

I can actually understand Portland not being interested though, they knew they were drafting Scoot, had Simons and Sharpe already, Simon’s is far better and Sharpe and Scoot obviously have far higher potentially.

Exactly on the wingspan and that’s exactly why I can not believe how delusional the front office has been with this guy over the years. He’s 6’5 with a 6’3 wingspan, weak, not very quick or athletic and is a traffic cone defensively. Like I am actually baffled at the way they view him because nothing, literally nothing, about him shows that he’s a high potential all star level player but meanwhile they’re telling him to think Booker but better while Herros out here scoring 17 points on 19 shots pretty often and Booker is going for 40,50,60, even 70 on any given night lol just amazes me

Riley fell in love with Herro because he apparently crushed his tryout. I guess the Heat have this baseline shooting workout where a player just runs up and down the court hitting shots and apparently he was the best player to ever master it or something along those lines. I guess for Riley that meant he was going to translate into a star. I guess they also liked his moxxie coming out of Kentucky and his knack for hitting big shots which is something you can't take away from him even though I feel like throughout the last few years he's become a bit soft from when he first came out when he was mean mugging the Lakers in the finals. I think social media has gotten to him.

He got his money and his Instagram girlfriend so he’s good now lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

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This could be nothing or it could be huge. If im Jimmy I dont blame him for wanting the cash. Also seeing how we never went all in for him, maybe thats why he feels he is entitled to a huge extension and again I wouldn't blame him. Hopefully this doesn't become a Harden 2.0 situation.

I'm in the camp that you give Jimmy whatever he wants at this point. He's earned every bit of it and I don't want to make the same mistake like we did with Wade. If we can pay Kyle Lowry until age 39 it's reasonable for us to give Jimmy an extension till his age 37 year.

[Flash4thewin]

We went from not wanting to trade Herro for Mitchell to now Collin Sexton supposedly having more value than him, crazy world we live in

Sexton makes 10 mill less a year than Herro and is having a very good season. Herro and his value are not good, now imagine how much worse that value will become if we move him to the bench. Always think big picture.

It is comical that we tried to use Herro as bait to get a whale, Mitchel, KD and now his value is so low he cant even get Sexton in return unless we pony up multiple first round draft picks to good old Danny. Our front office needs a reality check and we need to demand accountability from everyone in the organization, from top to bottom.

You just showed that Herro is losing value as a starter. If he flourishes as a 6th man do you not think his value will increase?

Put a player in position they can flourish and mostly impact the team as a whole. Jazz put Sexton at shooting guard and a big defensive point next to him and the team as a whole took off. They didn't just stick another scorer next to him. Right role and right glue guy

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Well like you said the Jazz put Sexton at SG and a big defensive player next to him. Herro has played with the corps of Lowry and now knowing Herro is not mister defense we are pairing him up with Terry no defense in the backcourt. Im not a fan of Herro, just pointing out how stupid it is to put Terry and Herro together in the back court.

As for Herro gaining value as a 6th man, 6th men are not paid starter salary, not near 30 mil with this CBA, not with the tax penalties. So it would be a one step forward two steps back situation. Ideally he gets traded but his value is already low, it will only drop more when we cant say he's a starter on a winning team. We might have to live with Herro remaining here for a large part of his contract before he becomes an expiring and then gets some positive value. This is all assuming Herro stays in line and doesn't cause issues, because that can easily happen here. No easy answers here but again our front office put us in this mess.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Honestly should’ve just taken the Wizards serious with Beal and told them we wanted KP as well. Sent them Lowry Herro Martin Duncan and Jovic tie all of our money up into the “Big 4” filled the roster out with vet minimums and our undrafted gleaguers we loved and called it a day. Started DSJ at PG for defense.

Those 4 this season combined make $161M but the Celtics with Jrue KP Tatum Brown White and Horford make $166M, none of them are expiring AND Jaylen Browns massive extension kicks in next year increasing his yearly by like $21M.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Sexton makes 10 mill less a year than Herro and is having a very good season. Herro and his value are not good, now imagine how much worse that value will become if we move him to the bench. Always think big picture.

It is comical that we tried to use Herro as bait to get a whale, Mitchel, KD and now his value is so low he cant even get Sexton in return unless we pony up multiple first round draft picks to good old Danny. Our front office needs a reality check and we need to demand accountability from everyone in the organization, from top to bottom.

You just showed that Herro is losing value as a starter. If he flourishes as a 6th man do you not think his value will increase?

Put a player in position they can flourish and mostly impact the team as a whole. Jazz put Sexton at shooting guard and a big defensive point next to him and the team as a whole took off. They didn't just stick another scorer next to him. Right role and right glue guy

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Well like you said the Jazz put Sexton at SG and a big defensive player next to him. Herro has played with the corps of Lowry and now knowing Herro is not mister defense we are pairing him up with Terry no defense in the backcourt. Im not a fan of Herro, just pointing out how stupid it is to put Terry and Herro together in the back court.

As for Herro gaining value as a 6th man, 6th men are not paid starter salary, not near 30 mil with this CBA, not with the tax penalties. So it would be a one step forward two steps back situation. Ideally he gets traded but his value is already low, it will only drop more when we cant say he's a starter on a winning team. We might have to live with Herro remaining here for a large part of his contract before he becomes an expiring and then gets some positive value. This is all assuming Herro stays in line and doesn't cause issues, because that can easily happen here. No easy answers here but again our front office put us in this mess.

If Tyler tried to start issues damn near any player on the team could just stuff him into a locker and tell him to shut tf up lol