76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2

[Mik317]

Maxey not being able to carry THIS team at 23 isn't the end of the world lol.

Dallas just sicked their biggest wing on him and forced Oubre and House to beat them..... the key is getting playable wings....as it always been

[Ben]

Maxey is the real deal people as long as he's aggressive. He's still go so much room to grow, and at this point The only things I would say he really should improve on are attempting to finish through contact more...Which has already started to become an improvement for sure. Pulling up from mid range, which comes out sometimes. Continuing to be a more efficient pull-up shooter.... Though due to his size he makes it too hard with that hardcore step back. His defense is even improved. His leap as a playmaker is better than I ever could've believed, considering that and one on one play were his biggest needs, I'm certain he'll be fine. Let us not forget that the movement in Golden state's offense really really really is always looking for Steph, he can give up the ball run off a screen and know he's getting it right back.... Philly hasn't caught onto how I would truly use Maxey yet. That system is built around Joel decisions from the high arc. That should change now.

I think people are taking the losses without Joel and putting too much of it on him. He's accounted for many of the wins. But this team is so so deficient without properly replacing Harden. Let's not also forget how horrible they looked with Joel and no Maxey even though Joel was clearly not healthy. He's the only ball handler.

I said it before and I'll say it again, I think the greatest contributions to a team as finishers that both maxey and Joel provide is how much attention they draw off the ball., the team would thrive with the person who was able to shoot off the ball as well as create on the ball at a high level next to them. That is also Steph Curry's greatest contribution, and his team is losing right now because they don't have people to take advantage of his strengths. Maxey can draw coverage 30 feet away, just by pretending to work towards the ball. Joel can draw an entire teams coverage by working to get the ball in scoring position... The amount of spacing that they can provide together is unreal.

As I wrote elsewhere, Maxey's my favorite Sixer right now. As to whether he's the "real deal," it all depends on what one means by that. If you mean that he's as good as, and destined to be as successful as, two of the best guards in the NBA over the past decade, I have my doubts. I just love the fact that the Sixers have a great scoring guard who seems to have a good attitude. (He's visited high schools and communities near where I live, and not for the press but just because he felt like it.) As to whether he can be the 2nd best player next to Joel on a championship-level team, that's a completely different issue. And we have to keep in mind that Joel's window is closing (and, although we hope it's not the case, it might have closed quite a lot already with the latest injury). That's where this discussion began. In the near future, not 5 years from now when Embiid is likely retired or at least well past his prime, can Maxey be the 2nd best player next to Embiid and the team still competes for a title? For that to happen I posited that we'd need the other 3 starters to be outstanding on defense and 3P shooting. It didn't seem like a super controversial take at the time I wrote it, but maybe I was wrong.

[GuideDog]

The Bulls are a good trade partner for the Sixers.
DeRozan, Caruso & Drummond for
Reed, Morris, Roco, KJ, Furkan and 2 firsts

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Bamba
Morris
Cov
Martin
2024 First
Top 25 protect 2028 first

for

DeRozan
Drummond

Leaves two roster spots for potential buyouts (Lowry, Hayward).

If we part with our first round pick this summer for these guys I'm going to explode with anger! I'm sorry, but I liked this trade UP UNTIL I saw that part. No thank you. The only circumstance in which we should part with our 2024 FRDP is if it lands us a star player in return. Neither Derozan at this stage in his career OR Andre Drummon equate to that. If that's the asking price from Chicago, I'd rather punt on that season or look elsewhere on the trade market. The people saying this is going to be a weak draft truly do not know what they are talking about. True...There isn't top end talent in the draft...Far from it, but there are a lot of guys in this draft that are going to have solid NBA careers. I think it's important for our future that we are players in this draft. If we can spend this summer in free agency and then have a decent draft pick to groom for when these guys all get old in a couple years we might be able to keep it going as contenders past the prime of Embiid and whoever else we decide to sign in free agency (I assume it'll be a vet player).

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Maxey is not a guy that can carry a franchise. Not yet anyway. It'll take some time before he can do that. Remember how long it took Jrue before he really became a good player in this league? It wasn't until he was with the Pelicans. Sure, he made the all star game as a Sixer, but he didn't hit his prime until he was about 27 years old. Maxey at 27 will be a much better player than he is now. As of right now he can't carry a team and should not be expected to do so. No...He's not Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant. Those are generational talents that come along every 15 years or so and even then, it took MJ and Kobe 6-7 years in the league before they really started to dominate and carry their teams. Maxey will never be in that echelon, but he'll be good enough to carry a team at some point.

[76ciology]

Can Maxey carry a franchise? Like, carry them to the play in tournament or the championship? The latter requires a higher standard.

Maxey can be sufficient as the number 2 guy, but given our situation, we need our number 2 player to be capable of being an alpha or a franchise player.

Can Maxey fulfill that role? He might be able to, but he's nowhere near that level yet. He’s not yet and maybe wont reached that level where you can give him the ball and let him run your offense against most to all teams.

[Ben]

The Bulls are a good trade partner for the Sixers.
DeRozan, Caruso & Drummond for
Reed, Morris, Roco, KJ, Furkan and 2 firsts

I don't see why the Bulls would do that. They'd be giving up the 3 best players (by far) and getting back two firsts. They probably want a first for each of the named players. (I do think that Reed could be a good fit there, so maybe a smaller trade with Reed and KJ as the anchors?)

[youngcrev]

Latest from Jake Fischer

Even in the wake of Joel Embiid’s knee surgery, the Sixers are hoping to move a future swap to acquire more imminent first-round picks, sources said, than the first-round capital that Philadelphia currently has available. The Sixers' soonest pick they can trade won’t come until 2026. So while Philadelphia’s three picks it yielded in return for James Harden would suggest the Sixers have plenty of ammunition to go out and acquire a meaningful player, Philadelphia seems to be prioritizing ways to buy now, while maintaining future flexibility.

Philadelphia is exploring conversations with a variety of teams, but one known target for the Sixers is Pacers guard Buddy Hield, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Hield’s $18.5 million dollar salary would be a match for several of the Sixers’ expiring contracts, and his expiring deal wouldn’t add future financial burden onto Philadelphia’s clean cap sheet for this offseason, as the Sixers have left rival teams with the impression they are still wary of taking back longterm salary at this juncture.

Another target for the Sixers is Pistons guard Bojan Bogdanović, sources said, who is on the books for $20 million this season, but has just $2 million guaranteed for 2024-25. Detroit has long shown an interest in a reunion with Tobias Harris, league sources told Yahoo Sports, but in any deal where the Sixers bring back Bogdanović, it would seem Philadelphia doesn’t want to part with Harris.

Alas, Detroit officials haven’t indicated to rival teams they’ll even be willing to move Bogdanović. Veteran shooting bigs Mike Muscala and Danilo Gallinari do appear to be likely trade candidates for the Pistons.

[youngcrev]

The Bulls are a good trade partner for the Sixers.
DeRozan, Caruso & Drummond for
Reed, Morris, Roco, KJ, Furkan and 2 firsts

I don't see why the Bulls would do that. They'd be giving up the 3 best players (by far) and getting back two firsts. They probably want a first for each of the named players. (I do think that Reed could be a good fit there, so maybe a smaller trade with Reed and KJ as the anchors?)

A 1st fro Drummond???

[eyeatoma]

Buddy and Bojan? I'm down. Go get Murray and Caruso or Derozan and Caruso and we good!

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[Ben]

The Bulls are a good trade partner for the Sixers.
DeRozan, Caruso & Drummond for
Reed, Morris, Roco, KJ, Furkan and 2 firsts

I don't see why the Bulls would do that. They'd be giving up the 3 best players (by far) and getting back two firsts. They probably want a first for each of the named players. (I do think that Reed could be a good fit there, so maybe a smaller trade with Reed and KJ as the anchors?)

A 1st fro Drummond???

Of course, I don't know if they could really get that. But if you're their GM, don't you ask for that? It's all about supply and demand. Drummond is probably the best traditional center available and puts up amazing stats in the regular season. He's only a rental, because he's a UFA after this season, but if you're their GM you have to look for the best deal any shopper's willing to offer. I think they'll be looking for a first.

[youngcrev]

I don't see why the Bulls would do that. They'd be giving up the 3 best players (by far) and getting back two firsts. They probably want a first for each of the named players. (I do think that Reed could be a good fit there, so maybe a smaller trade with Reed and KJ as the anchors?)

A 1st fro Drummond???

Of course, I don't know if they could really get that. But if you're their GM, don't you ask for that? It's all about supply and demand. Drummond is probably the best traditional center available and puts up amazing stats in the regular season. He's only a rental, because he's a UFA after this season, but if you're their GM you have to look for the best deal any shopper's willing to offer. I think they'll be looking for a first.

There's just no way. Drummond is a fine innings eater during the regular season. But there's a reason why he was on a minimum here and took a 2 for 6 there.

[Ben]

A 1st fro Drummond???

Of course, I don't know if they could really get that. But if you're their GM, don't you ask for that? It's all about supply and demand. Drummond is probably the best traditional center available and puts up amazing stats in the regular season. He's only a rental, because he's a UFA after this season, but if you're their GM you have to look for the best deal any shopper's willing to offer. I think they'll be looking for a first.

There's just no way. Drummond is a fine innings eater during the regular season. But there's a reason why he was on a minimum here and took a 2 for 6 there.

Look, I get that, and yet he does what he does and the market is the market. Especially if the Sixers are the prospective buyers: what we would want Drummond to do is exactly what you described as his skillset. Eat innings during the regular season. That has value. More likely, he just doesn't get moved. But if he's traded, I predict that he brings either a bad 1st rounder or two 2nds, and/or something else of real value. Bulls management gives no indication of wanting to gut the team. They sell out if they have even a passable product.

I just checked the Bulls board and posters there are talking about 3 firsts just for Caruso. That seems too much for anyone to pay, but it does make my projection of 3 firsts for Caruso, DDR, and Drummond look not so crazy. And a very good poster and mod suggestions 5 firsts for the very same combo (Caruso, DDR, and Drummond) that's being discussed here.

[Negrodamus]

Bamba
Morris
Cov
Martin
2024 First
Top 25 protect 2028 first

for

DeRozan
Drummond

Leaves two roster spots for potential buyouts (Lowry, Hayward).

If we part with our first round pick this summer for these guys I'm going to explode with anger! I'm sorry, but I liked this trade UP UNTIL I saw that part. No thank you. The only circumstance in which we should part with our 2024 FRDP is if it lands us a star player in return. Neither Derozan at this stage in his career OR Andre Drummon equate to that. If that's the asking price from Chicago, I'd rather punt on that season or look elsewhere on the trade market. The people saying this is going to be a weak draft truly do not know what they are talking about. True...There isn't top end talent in the draft...Far from it, but there are a lot of guys in this draft that are going to have solid NBA careers. I think it's important for our future that we are players in this draft. If we can spend this summer in free agency and then have a decent draft pick to groom for when these guys all get old in a couple years we might be able to keep it going as contenders past the prime of Embiid and whoever else we decide to sign in free agency (I assume it'll be a vet player).

I get it, but he’s going to likely yield a first if we’re to be competitive. The second pick will likely be a second since Embiid will be done in 2025. So a first and second for DeRozan, probably the best player we can get for the price at the deadline.

[youngcrev]

Of course, I don't know if they could really get that. But if you're their GM, don't you ask for that? It's all about supply and demand. Drummond is probably the best traditional center available and puts up amazing stats in the regular season. He's only a rental, because he's a UFA after this season, but if you're their GM you have to look for the best deal any shopper's willing to offer. I think they'll be looking for a first.

There's just no way. Drummond is a fine innings eater during the regular season. But there's a reason why he was on a minimum here and took a 2 for 6 there.

Look, I get that, and yet he does what he does and the market is the market. Especially if the Sixers are the prospective buyers: what we would want Drummond to do is exactly what you described as his skillset. Eat innings during the regular season. That has value. More likely, he just doesn't get moved. But if he's traded, I predict that he brings either a bad 1st rounder or two 2nds, and/or something else of real value. Bulls management gives no indication of wanting to gut the team. They sell out if they have even a passable product.

I just checked the Bulls board and posters there are talking about 3 firsts just for Caruso. That seems too much for anyone to pay, but it does make my projection of 3 firsts for Caruso, DDR, and Drummond look not so crazy. And a very good poster and mod suggestions 5 firsts for the very same combo (Caruso, DDR, and Drummond) that's being discussed here.

I don't think 3 1sts for those guys is crazy, but Drummond is a throw-in in that scenario. Could definitely see Caruso netting 2 1sts and DeRozan 1.

5 1sts seems a bit delusional no matter who that poster is.

[Negrodamus]

[The Sixers] are among several teams that have contacted the likes of New Orleans and Oklahoma City, sources said, attempting to trade future first-round pick swaps or packages of second-round picks to acquire extra first-round selections.
Even in the wake of Joel Embiid’s knee surgery, the Sixers are hoping to move a future swap to acquire more imminent first-round picks, sources said, than the first-round capital that Philadelphia currently has available.

I wonder who Morey is hellbent on getting.

[SixersSince82]

Latest from Jake Fischer

Even in the wake of Joel Embiid’s knee surgery, the Sixers are hoping to move a future swap to acquire more imminent first-round picks, sources said, than the first-round capital that Philadelphia currently has available. The Sixers' soonest pick they can trade won’t come until 2026. So while Philadelphia’s three picks it yielded in return for James Harden would suggest the Sixers have plenty of ammunition to go out and acquire a meaningful player, Philadelphia seems to be prioritizing ways to buy now, while maintaining future flexibility.

Philadelphia is exploring conversations with a variety of teams, but one known target for the Sixers is Pacers guard Buddy Hield, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Hield’s $18.5 million dollar salary would be a match for several of the Sixers’ expiring contracts, and his expiring deal wouldn’t add future financial burden onto Philadelphia’s clean cap sheet for this offseason, as the Sixers have left rival teams with the impression they are still wary of taking back longterm salary at this juncture.

Another target for the Sixers is Pistons guard Bojan Bogdanović, sources said, who is on the books for $20 million this season, but has just $2 million guaranteed for 2024-25. Detroit has long shown an interest in a reunion with Tobias Harris, league sources told Yahoo Sports, but in any deal where the Sixers bring back Bogdanović, it would seem Philadelphia doesn’t want to part with Harris.

Alas, Detroit officials haven’t indicated to rival teams they’ll even be willing to move Bogdanović. Veteran shooting bigs Mike Muscala and Danilo Gallinari do appear to be likely trade candidates for the Pistons.

Awe man those names bum me out. Hield, Bogdanovic, those guys aren't appreciably moving the needle.

Absolutely cannot trade 1sts unless they are essentially getting our long term "3rd guy".

[Ben]

There's just no way. Drummond is a fine innings eater during the regular season. But there's a reason why he was on a minimum here and took a 2 for 6 there.

Look, I get that, and yet he does what he does and the market is the market. Especially if the Sixers are the prospective buyers: what we would want Drummond to do is exactly what you described as his skillset. Eat innings during the regular season. That has value. More likely, he just doesn't get moved. But if he's traded, I predict that he brings either a bad 1st rounder or two 2nds, and/or something else of real value. Bulls management gives no indication of wanting to gut the team. They sell out if they have even a passable product.

I just checked the Bulls board and posters there are talking about 3 firsts just for Caruso. That seems too much for anyone to pay, but it does make my projection of 3 firsts for Caruso, DDR, and Drummond look not so crazy. And a very good poster and mod suggestions 5 firsts for the very same combo (Caruso, DDR, and Drummond) that's being discussed here.

I don't think 3 1sts for those guys is crazy, but Drummond is a throw-in in that scenario. Could definitely see Caruso netting 2 1sts and DeRozan 1.

5 1sts seems a bit delusional no matter who that poster is.

I hear you. Bottom line is that all three of those players almost certainly aren't being traded together. Unless there's a huge haul, I guess, but that probably won't happen.

[GuideDog]

A 1st fro Drummond???

Of course, I don't know if they could really get that. But if you're their GM, don't you ask for that? It's all about supply and demand. Drummond is probably the best traditional center available and puts up amazing stats in the regular season. He's only a rental, because he's a UFA after this season, but if you're their GM you have to look for the best deal any shopper's willing to offer. I think they'll be looking for a first.

There's just no way. Drummond is a fine innings eater during the regular season. But there's a reason why he was on a minimum here and took a 2 for 6 there.

DeRozan and Drummond are rentals and the Bulls can't ask for much for those 2. Caruso is on a good contract. He's not worth 2 firsts on his own. He's a very good role player, not a star. But put all 3 together--- DeRozan, Caruso & Drummond--- and I would give them 2 firsts and Paul Reed, plus KJ and some expiring.

For the Sixers this gives you 3 guys who can keep us in contention while Embiid is out but they are also good enough to be in the playoff rotation.

Then next year, we can decide to resign either DeRozan or Tobias to reasonable deals depending on who shows out better this year. Caruso is on a great contract and we can keep him next year while letting Melton go. Drummond is also a reasonable long term back up for Joel for then next few years and more dependable than Reed.

Our rotation without Embiid can be:
Drummond - Tobias - DeRozan- Caruso - Maxey
Backed up by:
Bama - Batum - Oubre - Melton - Bev

When Embiid returns your 9 man playoff line up are:
Embiid - Maxey - DeRozan - Tobias - Caruso - Batum - Melton- Oubre - Drummond

[Ben]

Of course, I don't know if they could really get that. But if you're their GM, don't you ask for that? It's all about supply and demand. Drummond is probably the best traditional center available and puts up amazing stats in the regular season. He's only a rental, because he's a UFA after this season, but if you're their GM you have to look for the best deal any shopper's willing to offer. I think they'll be looking for a first.

There's just no way. Drummond is a fine innings eater during the regular season. But there's a reason why he was on a minimum here and took a 2 for 6 there.

DeRozan and Drummond are rentals and the Bulls can't ask for much for those 2. Caruso is on a good contract. He's not worth 2 firsts on his own. He's a very good role player, not a star. But put all 3 together--- DeRozan, Caruso & Drummond--- and I would give them 2 firsts and Paul Reed, plus KJ and some expiring.

For the Sixers this gives you 3 guys who can keep us in contention while Embiid is out but they are also good enough to be in the playoff rotation.

Then next year, we can decide to resign either DeRozan or Tobias to reasonable deals depending on who shows out better this year. Caruso is on a great contract and we can keep him next year while letting Melton go. Drummond is also a reasonable long term back up for Joel for then next few years and more dependable than Reed.

Our rotation without Embiid can be:
Drummond - Tobias - DeRozan- Caruso - Maxey
Backed up by:
Bama - Batum - Oubre - Melton - Bev

When Embiid returns your 9 man playoff line up are:
Embiid - Maxey - DeRozan - Tobias - Caruso - Batum - Melton- Oubre - Drummond

I don't think you need to sell any Sixers fans on that trade proposal. It'd be great for the Sixers. I just don't think that the Bulls would do it.