I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired.

[whitehops]

Right now only 6 teams can offer him $20+ million per year. Detroit, Philly, San Antonio, Orlando, Utah, Charlotte.

sign and trades are essentially the new free agency with so few teams having cap space. a player in tobias' situation could tell the sixers that he'd rather do a s&t over entering free agency and then the sixers get to recoup some value, tobias gets to go to a more preferred destination and/or make more money, etc.

it's also the reason why teams trading expirings before the trade deadline isn't as attractive because holding on to a player's bird rights is more valuable in the coming off season in a sign and trade as opposed to getting depressed value for half a season before the deadline. that's why i'm totally fine with the pistons holding on to their expiring vets because they'd get more value for them in the off season with longer contracts, plus they'd actually help the team the rest of this season.

[Mr Peanut]

My instincts are telling me that we are going for Miles Bridges this trade deadline and Tobias in the summer. There’s absolutely no reason to be doing any business with Morey. Weaver would get fleeced. If he can sign Tobias he would be saving himself as a general manager for the pistons. At that point we’d keep Bojan and Ausar and have a top 5 pick on top of that. We’d be stacked with talent just from one signing which is in 6 months. So I’d wait if I’m weaver on Tobias. But Bridges you gotta get him because he’s cheaper and you have to build the team forward. Also we can afford to lose Bridges for nothing in the summer if he doesn’t work out. I think he would only cost us Killian and 2 2nds.

I think Tobias is gonna get 40m a year easily in the market and he will get 3-4 years so 120-160m. Miles bridges can get 20-25m a year but we can probably negotiate this one.

My prediction this summers:
We will keep Weaver and Monty
Extend morris 30-35m 2 years
Extend Burks 40m 2 years
Sign Tobias 40m a year, 120m-160 TO
Draft best available
Keep Bojan
Let go of Killian, Wiseman, Harris
Sign veteran center (muscala)

This happens and Weaver gets to keep his job. It’s worth the wait if that’s the depth of the team.

So our rotation, presuming full health, is:

Duren/Muscala
Harris/Stewart
Bojan/Ausar
Ivey/Burks
Cade/Morris/Sasser

Basically 90% the same as this year, bar Harris (granted, he is a decent upgrade). Unless we have significant internal development from the young guys, we won't win more than 20-25 games.

[bstein14]

Right now only 6 teams can offer him $20+ million per year. Detroit, Philly, San Antonio, Orlando, Utah, Charlotte.

sign and trades are essentially the new free agency with so few teams having cap space. a player in tobias' situation could tell the sixers that he'd rather do a s&t over entering free agency and then the sixers get to recoup some value, tobias gets to go to a more preferred destination and/or make more money, etc.

it's also the reason why teams trading expirings before the trade deadline isn't as attractive because holding on to a player's bird rights is more valuable in the coming off season in a sign and trade as opposed to getting depressed value for half a season before the deadline. that's why i'm totally fine with the pistons holding on to their expiring vets because they'd get more value for them in the off season with longer contracts, plus they'd actually help the team the rest of this season.

The Sixers have a ton of cap space themselves though, so its important to consider that they might want to use that cap space rather than take back another teams players. It's why the Sixers reportedly didn't want to give Harris or Harden any extension, because they wanted to have a large amount of cap space this summer to work with as they really just have Embiid on the books and a relatively small cap hold on Maxey.

[buzzkilloton]

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So our rotation, presuming full health, is:

Duren/Muscala
Harris/Stewart
Bojan/Ausar
Ivey/Burks
Cade/Morris/Sasser

Basically 90% the same as this year, bar Harris (granted, he is a decent upgrade). Unless we have significant internal development from the young guys, we won't win more than 20-25 games.

I cant believe after all these years of suck and this huge bag of cap space the best Weaver can do is bring back a 32year old T.Harris on a 40mill dollar deal. Hes been gone for 7 years hes coming off a 5 180mill deal hes made 250mill in his career. Its time for him to go be a 4th option on a good team and ring chase not come back here to just collect a check.

Troy needs to go get our 1st rounder back from the Knicks, grab us Miles Bridges, and hit the trade market for somebody good or GTFO out of town. We have been "kicking the can" for years waiting for the time we will spend cap space and were going back in time to Tobias Harris. Its like a bad episode of the twilight zone that never ends.

[Patrick27]

Right now only 6 teams can offer him $20+ million per year. Detroit, Philly, San Antonio, Orlando, Utah, Charlotte.

sign and trades are essentially the new free agency with so few teams having cap space. a player in tobias' situation could tell the sixers that he'd rather do a s&t over entering free agency and then the sixers get to recoup some value, tobias gets to go to a more preferred destination and/or make more money, etc.

it's also the reason why teams trading expirings before the trade deadline isn't as attractive because holding on to a player's bird rights is more valuable in the coming off season in a sign and trade as opposed to getting depressed value for half a season before the deadline. that's why i'm totally fine with the pistons holding on to their expiring vets because they'd get more value for them in the off season with longer contracts, plus they'd actually help the team the rest of this season.

The Sixers have a ton of cap space themselves though, so its important to consider that they might want to use that cap space rather than take back another teams players. It's why the Sixers reportedly didn't want to give Harris or Harden any extension, because they wanted to have a large amount of cap space this summer to work with as they really just have Embiid on the books and a relatively small cap hold on Maxey.

Hmm... Could Philly be thinking about letting Tobias walk and pitching Lebron?? I mean, he's already old but he still gets it done, and he's clearly not happy with how LA is working out.

[bstein14]

Overall, if we stand pat during the trade deadline and end up with 12-15 wins on the season I can't see how any fans are going to be feeling good about Weaver as our GM making decisions this summer. He's consistently had chances to improve our team and he's failed at every turn. Even what many consider his best trade for Bojan appears like its not going to really net us anything.

[DetroitSho]

I still can't get over the fact we took Joe Harris to sit on the bench for $20 million minutes before free agency opened. Honestly if you were wanting to "punt the capspace" until this off-season I feel like you fully deserve the season this team is having right now. This is exactly what "punt the capspace" looks like.

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[bstein14]

I still can't get over the fact we took Joe Harris to sit on the bench for $20 million minutes before free agency opened. Honestly if you were wanting to "punt the capspace" until this off-season I feel like you fully deserve the season this team is having right now. This is exactly what "punt the capspace" looks like.

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Yeah the timing is brutal... why not wait and see if you can find a FA bargain or two on day 2 or 3 of FA. That trade really helped to secure our massive losing streak and historically bad season.

[MortSahlfan]

I still can't get over the fact we took Joe Harris to sit on the bench for $20 million minutes before free agency opened. Honestly if you were wanting to "punt the capspace" until this off-season I feel like you fully deserve the season this team is having right now. This is exactly what "punt the capspace" looks like.

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Sometimes I think, "It must be political". A favor? I just can't justify all the **** Weaver does.

[bstein14]

I still can't get over the fact we took Joe Harris to sit on the bench for $20 million minutes before free agency opened. Honestly if you were wanting to "punt the capspace" until this off-season I feel like you fully deserve the season this team is having right now. This is exactly what "punt the capspace" looks like.

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Sometimes I think, "It must be political". A favor? I just can't justify all the **** Weaver does.

For all the favors he's done for the Nets he's probably got his next assistant GM job lined up.

[Piston Pete]

If our end game is Harris, I might explode of frustration.

Hopefully we can throw bags of money at Delon Wright and Boban Maronovich too

[bstein14]

If our end game is Harris, I might explode of frustration.

Hopefully we can throw bags of money at Delon Wright and Boban Maronovich too

KCP also a FA.

[Patrick27]

If our end game is Harris, I might explode of frustration.

Hopefully we can throw bags of money at Delon Wright and Boban Maronovich too

KCP also a FA.

Getting the band back together!

[7r5ur]

If our end game is Harris, I might explode of frustration.

Hopefully we can throw bags of money at Delon Wright and Boban Maronovich too

KCP also a FA.

Getting the band back together!

Drummond is a FA too...

[thesack12]

KCP also a FA.

Getting the band back together!

Drummond is a FA too...

Same goes for Tobias Harris, Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Kelly Olynyk, Delon Wright, Mason Plumlee, Cory Joseph, Reggie Bullock, Ish Smith, Dennis Smith, Svi Mykhailuk, Josh Jackson, Frank Jackson, Stanley Johnson, Henry Ellenson.

If Detroit is gonna run it back, lets run it ALL THE WAY back

[Piston Pete]

Getting the band back together!

Drummond is a FA too...

Same goes for Tobias Harris, Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Kelly Olynyk, Delon Wright, Mason Plumlee, Cory Joseph, Reggie Bullock, Ish Smith, Dennis Smith, Svi Mykhailuk, Josh Jackson, Frank Jackson, Stanley Johnson, Henry Ellenson.

If Detroit is gonna run it back, lets run it ALL THE WAY back

The only guys Weaver would have interest in are Drummond, Plumlee, and Stanley Johnson.

Shooters need not apply

[7r5ur]

Drummond is a FA too...

Same goes for Tobias Harris, Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Kelly Olynyk, Delon Wright, Mason Plumlee, Cory Joseph, Reggie Bullock, Ish Smith, Dennis Smith, Svi Mykhailuk, Josh Jackson, Frank Jackson, Stanley Johnson, Henry Ellenson.

If Detroit is gonna run it back, lets run it ALL THE WAY back

The only guys Weaver would have interest in are Drummond, Plumlee, and Stanley Johnson.

Shooters need not apply

Drummond, Plumlee, Duren, Stewart, and a re-signed James Wiseman sure would make a nice PF/C rotation

[Piston Pete]

Same goes for Tobias Harris, Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Kelly Olynyk, Delon Wright, Mason Plumlee, Cory Joseph, Reggie Bullock, Ish Smith, Dennis Smith, Svi Mykhailuk, Josh Jackson, Frank Jackson, Stanley Johnson, Henry Ellenson.

If Detroit is gonna run it back, lets run it ALL THE WAY back

The only guys Weaver would have interest in are Drummond, Plumlee, and Stanley Johnson.

Shooters need not apply

Drummond, Plumlee, Duren, Stewart, and a re-signed James Wiseman sure would make a nice PF/C rotation

Don’t forget an extended Killian.

[Spider156]

My instincts are telling me that we are going for Miles Bridges this trade deadline and Tobias in the summer. There’s absolutely no reason to be doing any business with Morey. Weaver would get fleeced. If he can sign Tobias he would be saving himself as a general manager for the pistons. At that point we’d keep Bojan and Ausar and have a top 5 pick on top of that. We’d be stacked with talent just from one signing which is in 6 months. So I’d wait if I’m weaver on Tobias. But Bridges you gotta get him because he’s cheaper and you have to build the team forward. Also we can afford to lose Bridges for nothing in the summer if he doesn’t work out. I think he would only cost us Killian and 2 2nds.

I think Tobias is gonna get 40m a year easily in the market and he will get 3-4 years so 120-160m. Miles bridges can get 20-25m a year but we can probably negotiate this one.

My prediction this summers:
We will keep Weaver and Monty
Extend morris 30-35m 2 years
Extend Burks 40m 2 years
Sign Tobias 40m a year, 120m-160 TO
Draft best available
Keep Bojan
Let go of Killian, Wiseman, Harris
Sign veteran center (muscala)

This happens and Weaver gets to keep his job. It’s worth the wait if that’s the depth of the team.

So our rotation, presuming full health, is:

Duren/Muscala
Harris/Stewart
Bojan/Ausar
Ivey/Burks
Cade/Morris/Sasser

Basically 90% the same as this year, bar Harris (granted, he is a decent upgrade). Unless we have significant internal development from the young guys, we won't win more than 20-25 games.

Precisely, you haven’t added the Top 5 pick, what if it’s Sarr?

If we draft Sarr it can make Duren expendable. Basically you keep drafting best available and supplement veterans that fit Cade and Ivey. Eventually you have to move one from some of these guys after 3-4 years which is what’s happening with Killian now. The good players you extend like Stewart and Cade next, I think Burks should get extended next as well. You have to keep adding good contracts and that’s why Weaver is so hesitant to let go of Bojan. We need Bojan and 2 more like him. Fans don’t understand, we still have another year to tank haha. These players need time! But statistics say young stars jump year 3 or 4. There’s a drastic incline.

[Mr Peanut]

My instincts are telling me that we are going for Miles Bridges this trade deadline and Tobias in the summer. There’s absolutely no reason to be doing any business with Morey. Weaver would get fleeced. If he can sign Tobias he would be saving himself as a general manager for the pistons. At that point we’d keep Bojan and Ausar and have a top 5 pick on top of that. We’d be stacked with talent just from one signing which is in 6 months. So I’d wait if I’m weaver on Tobias. But Bridges you gotta get him because he’s cheaper and you have to build the team forward. Also we can afford to lose Bridges for nothing in the summer if he doesn’t work out. I think he would only cost us Killian and 2 2nds.

I think Tobias is gonna get 40m a year easily in the market and he will get 3-4 years so 120-160m. Miles bridges can get 20-25m a year but we can probably negotiate this one.

My prediction this summers:
We will keep Weaver and Monty
Extend morris 30-35m 2 years
Extend Burks 40m 2 years
Sign Tobias 40m a year, 120m-160 TO
Draft best available
Keep Bojan
Let go of Killian, Wiseman, Harris
Sign veteran center (muscala)

This happens and Weaver gets to keep his job. It’s worth the wait if that’s the depth of the team.

So our rotation, presuming full health, is:

Duren/Muscala
Harris/Stewart
Bojan/Ausar
Ivey/Burks
Cade/Morris/Sasser

Basically 90% the same as this year, bar Harris (granted, he is a decent upgrade). Unless we have significant internal development from the young guys, we won't win more than 20-25 games.

Precisely, you haven’t added the Top 5 pick, what if it’s Sarr?

If we draft Sarr it can make Duren expendable. Basically you keep drafting best available and supplement veterans that fit Cade and Ivey. Eventually you have to move one from some of these guys after 3-4 years which is what’s happening with Killian now. The good players you extend like Stewart and Cade next, I think Burks should get extended next as well. You have to keep adding good contracts and that’s why Weaver is so hesitant to let go of Bojan. We need Bojan and 2 more like him. Fans don’t understand, we still have another year to tank haha. These players need time! But statistics say young stars jump year 3 or 4. There’s a drastic incline.

I didn't add the top 5 pick, but in this particular draft I don't think any of the top prospects will affect our overall win numbers greatly.

I think fans (including myself) recognise that we aren't going to go from a 10-15 win team this year to a playoff (or even play-in) team next year, but it seems like the definition of insanity to maintain 85-90% of your rotation players of a historically bad team and expect markedly different results. I think Weaver will recognise that too, and given there is some job pressure he will make some bigger moves (whether that actually accelerates our return to playoff contention who knows).