Killian Hayes Concepts that actually give Detroit something?

[The-Power]

Honest question as I don’t get to watch the Pistons often. Will Hayes be in the league next year? He seems likely to fall to the G and stay there.

He can stay on some roster as an end-of-rotation player, I'd think. He plays defense and he can pass. But he can't score and on a team that lacks shooting and strong offensive players like the Pistons, that gets further augmented. Some team may hope for him to follow Kris Dunn's path who struggled mightily to stay in the league but then worked out for the Jazz in their system. But obviously he doesn't have any value at this point and it'll have to be a try-for-free situation.

[winforlose]

Honest question as I don’t get to watch the Pistons often. Will Hayes be in the league next year? He seems likely to fall to the G and stay there.

He can stay on some roster as an end-of-rotation player, I'd think. He plays defense and he can pass. But he can't score and on a team that lacks shooting and strong offensive players like the Pistons, that gets further augmented. Some team may hope for him to follow Kris Dunn's path who struggled mightily to stay in the league but then worked out for the Jazz in their system. But obviously he doesn't have any value at this point and it'll have to be a try-for-free situation.

A career 38% from the field and no season at 30% or better from 3 is not encouraging. His assists are nice, but as a non shooter he kills the spacing. His rebounding numbers are also unimpressive for a guard of his size. I just don’t see a team giving up a roster spot.

[The-Power]

Honest question as I don’t get to watch the Pistons often. Will Hayes be in the league next year? He seems likely to fall to the G and stay there.

He can stay on some roster as an end-of-rotation player, I'd think. He plays defense and he can pass. But he can't score and on a team that lacks shooting and strong offensive players like the Pistons, that gets further augmented. Some team may hope for him to follow Kris Dunn's path who struggled mightily to stay in the league but then worked out for the Jazz in their system. But obviously he doesn't have any value at this point and it'll have to be a try-for-free situation.

A career 38% from the field and no season at 30% or better from 3 is not encouraging. His assists are nice, but as a non shooter he kills the spacing. His rebounding numbers are also unimpressive for a guard of his size. I just don’t see a team giving up a roster spot.

If he was 28 I might be inclined to agree but he's still only 22 and never played outside of crappy Pistons rosters. I think some team will offer him a minimum contract and see if he can be useful on a better team with more shooting. Especially considering that the competition for the last roster spots on some teams certainly doesn't consist of world-beaters either and taking a flyer on someone usually doesn't hurt. If he wasn't an NBA-level defender and passer we wouldn't be having the conversation but he is and that alone might justify spot minutes here and there.

[tmorgan]

Hayes has expressed a desire to stay in the NBA. So he’ll try.

But yeah, people who think he’s an above-average defender are wrong. He has good hands but average feet. Fast guards give him a lot of trouble.

Further, he’s not a remarkable passer. He plays under control and doesn’t turn it over, he throws good lobs, but his vision is unremarkable. Remember Jose Calderon’s style of PG play? That’s Killian.

So yeah, he’s a slightly bigger Calderon with slightly better defense that cannot shoot at all, aka Calderon’s best skill (along with not turning it over). He’s a scrub.

I think he will get another chance somewhere, largely based on a good six weeks last year before the Pistons played in France. He buckled under pressure in that game and has never looked good for more than a game or two here or there since.

Is he worth a minimum contract to see if he somehow gets it together? Yes. Will he stick around for a while? Maybe. You can’t really play him if you’re serious about competing, so it needs to be a rebuilding team that needs a backup or third string point guard. I hope it’s not Detroit. Yuuuuuck.

[timani]

Could use him Dallas with Exum out, but not sure what to send back.

Dallas wouldn't play him. Curry isn't playing at all and Hardy's minutes are erratic. Green is their 3rd ballhandler and when your first two are Kyrie and Luka, they don't need a Hayes to tide them over until Exum is back.

With all of the games missed by those guys, I think Dallas could find a role for him. And Curry and Hardy don't play any defense at all so not really the same role. Not saying it's a big move or anything, but I think he would offer them something.

[mhd]

I'd trade Johnny Davis for Hayes simply to get out of Davis' contract for next year. Doubt Detroit would as they want cap space. Heck, I proposed a Davis for Hayes swap two weeks into the season last year after watching Davis play in pre-season. I knew Davis was a bust back then.

[eitanr]

Is it possible for Detroit to move Killian Hayes for anything beyond an expiring deal? Namely either a talent they take a flyer on or maybe even a vet on a deal that could fit their future rotation. I am skeptical, but I will try...

1 (MIL). K. Hayes FOR P. Connagton

The Bucks need to drastically improve their perimeter defense. While Hayes has been an iffy shooter in his career, he is a strong defensive talent. If you place Hayes in units with spacing, which the Bucks still have, especially with bigs like Portis or Lopez spacing, you may even unlock something from Hayes. The defensive upside makes this interesting for Milwaukee.

For Detroit Pat is a solid shooting wing who can help be their backup 2 long term. The contract isn't amazing in terms of years given his age, but the fit works (basically a healthier/better Joe Harris).

2. (SAS) K. Hayes + top 1 protected 2024 pick swap for Tre Jones

It's certainly a gamble for the Spurs. They swap Tre Jones, who has been in/out of their starting lineup as their PG in order to make the french connection with Wemby and take a flyer on Hayes. The swap is aggressive, but with both teams likely to be in that bottom 4 with even odds, and that no. 1 pick protected, the Spurs use that value gap for the added bonus of potentially drafting to 2 in 2024. The Spurs consider such a trade because another Frenchmen, Zaccharie Risacer is expected to go second.

For Detroit, they need a future PG who can actually fit with their youth. No one in the draft seems like best fit and Tre Jones is a mature, young PG who can fit their core. The Pistons add protection on the pick to limit the gamble, but worst case here, is there that much of a gap talent wise for their fit between 4-2? Caleb Williams right now seems like a choice at 1, if Detroit gets 2-4, I am not even sure they want to take anotehr development project like Risacer anyhow at second and might rather be forced into Sarr or Walter anyhow.

3. (ATL) K. Hayes for AJ Griffin

I'm unsure what AJ's value is now, but he has not been in the Hawks' rotation all season. Would the Hawks prefer to cut bait and take a flyer on a needed defensive minded young guard to fit their rotation instead?

AJ can shoot and play both wing slots, a solid at least Livers replacement for Detroit.

4. (MIN) K. Hayes for S. Milton

Minny is asking for a backup PG and can take a solid flyer here. Hayes fits with spacing big men, like Naz and KAT.

For Detroit, Milton is a rotation vet that can help ease the transition from M. Morris for the next few years as a reliable option as as backup combo guard.

5. (OKC) K. Hayes for POKU

The Thunder could use a defensive backup guard who may be useful in spurts during what could be a long playoff run and have no use for Poku right now.

Okay...I know I said Detroit should stop trading for flyers, but if your going to do one, this seems intriguing. Poku is still a spacing 4/5 which if he does anything, is a massive need for the Pistons long term. Wiseman will not be re-signed and Beef Stew is currently injured. Now is the chance to take a well thought out flyer on Poku and see if you catch lightning.

The market spoke...the answer was nothing