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ogmagicfan wrote:You wanna know a player whose been really negatively affected since Fultz came back?
Suggs.
They have awful chemistry together
Knightro wrote:Miami just plays a very professional style and always has under Spo.
Despite their talent, they aren't really all that great at outright beating you.
But if you make mistakes? If you turn it over, if you complain to the refs instead of getting back, if you don’t give appropriate effort on the defensive glass, they’ll take advantage of all of those lazy missteps and kill you with that.
Literally how they beat Orlando twice this season.
MagicMatic wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:Spoiler:
We are officially 0-1 when Fultz makes a 3 halfway through the season.....
It's pretty simple to state the issue with roster construction. It's why most games even if we lose, I look more at the development. This isn't about collecting "moral victories" as much as it is trying to observe and confirm repeatedly what seems obvious to me, but not so obvious to others.
Suggs, I still say is our third best player.
We do not have a 3rd option. We don't even have a 3rd scorer officially. Big problem that either needs to be corrected in the offseason or we just somehow "hope" that Suggs or Black can develop into that 15-20ppg mold.
I said we were a .500 team when we have anything that resembles an NBA Point Guard + P + F. Our record with P+F + anything that resembles a PG is over .500 actually. So, I am content with that.
I still like WCJ on this team, yet Goga success in the SL has made me think that addition by subtraction is possible at this position so long as the defense is there.
Black is already better then Fultz. Contracts are clearly dictating who plays. Fultz gives you 2-3 possessions a game where Fultz decision making being on the floor equates to a "lesser of two evils".
MagicMatic wrote:
With Carter/Goga I absolutely feel like defense is being sacrificed for offense. Carter was non existent last night in transition and at the rim. Taking possessions away from P+F is the last thing this team needs from the Center position. Paolo isn’t skilled enough on defense for that to be the case.
Fultz… I’m not going to go into it for the millionth time. Let’s just say that nobody is going to be worse offensively with a point guard that moves the ball and spaces the floor efficiently. Defenses can’t scheme entirely against Orlando this way if that change is made.
Not to throw a massive hot take into this bloated game thread, but this is exactly why I had reservations in drafting Paolo at all. If he’s your #1 guy you have to surround him with interior defense/rebounding and shooting from your guards that can actually set him up on the floor. There is no other way to build a team around him. He’s too inefficient as a shooter/playmaker if teams can focus on him defensively inside. If he isn’t getting fouls called against him his game diminishes rapidly. This says more about the FO realizing this and less about Paolo as a developing product.
I didn’t trust the FO knew how to build around Paolo and still don’t.
zaymon wrote:Confidence is spreading. When you see your teammate is scared to shoot, you also are less likely to shoot with confidence. Fultz and Carter are two of the most energy saping players i saw on the magic. Even Curry would start to question his decision making and joy of life next to them.
tooler wrote:zaymon wrote:Confidence is spreading. When you see your teammate is scared to shoot, you also are less likely to shoot with confidence. Fultz and Carter are two of the most energy saping players i saw on the magic. Even Curry would start to question his decision making and joy of life next to them.
Interesting take. When Moe does the pump fake, you know he hasn't lost any confidence about the possession. WCJ just looks around helplessly for an outlet.
tooler wrote:zaymon wrote:Confidence is spreading. When you see your teammate is scared to shoot, you also are less likely to shoot with confidence. Fultz and Carter are two of the most energy saping players i saw on the magic. Even Curry would start to question his decision making and joy of life next to them.
Interesting take. When Moe does the pump fake, you know he hasn't lost any confidence about the possession. WCJ just looks around helplessly for an outlet.
fateis007 wrote:JF5 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
No.
That would make too much sense and would be apolitical.
The team just went 3-2 on a tough cross country road trip. And they ended up winning 3 in a row at one point. It was a very successful road trip.
You're acting like this team lost some bad games to teams that weren't supposed to beat them.
Our offense and shooting is dreadful. We were down 10+ points in the first quarter in 3 of the games from not being able to score. Isaac won us 2 of those games, with him being able to come in and create a lineup of 4 guys at 6'11", and we played some ridic defense to compensate for our dreadful shooting.
The problem? The guy is very fragile, and without him in those 2 games, we likely get blownout.
Stop being in denial, if we hit the playoffs today we are going to get swept and easily. You simply can not have the worst 3 point shooting team in the nba. They will all do exactly what Miami did, just load up on Franz and Paolo, and let the worst scoring team in the nba do what they do.
Someone just posted that we are the only team in the nba with 2 guys scoring over 13 PPG, some have as much as 6.
It's getting ridic already.
We are not in a wait in see mode. Franz and Paolo have proven they can be our top 2 guys, but they need more help and Isaac sadly cant be counted on to lead an elite defense and save our ass.
I would put pretty much anyone on the table to upgrade our guard play and probably only keep Suggs because atleast he is proving to be a 3 and D guy (but id bench him easily for someone like Monk that can create offense)
