Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0

[orlando_joe]

It’s really stupid to say “let’s keep going with what’s not working” hoping it works out.

It is working, though. We've seen league leading improvements every year.

It’s not. Forget last year. How do we look now compared to a month or so ago? Look at how we are playing now compared to then. Sure we might win one here or there but the way we are playing isn’t good.

just beat suns wolves lost by 2 to dallas and before last night 5th game of 5 game rd trip happens to all teams they had won 4 out of 5
not sure point? magic have played well as of late after just getting players back

[89Magicfan]

It is working, though. We've seen league leading improvements every year.

It’s not. Forget last year. How do we look now compared to a month or so ago? Look at how we are playing now compared to then. Sure we might win one here or there but the way we are playing isn’t good.

just beat suns wolves lost by 2 to dallas and before last night 5th game of 5 game rd trip happens to all teams they had won 4 out of 5
not sure point? magic have played well as of late after just getting players back

Look at how we played though.

Idk man. Seems like some of y’all just want to get into the playoffs and not actually compete in them.

[orlando_joe]

One of the problems with not being aggressive on the trade market is Weltman hasn't shown he is willing or able to snag an impact free agent. So how does he fix the bottom-feeding backcourt? Even with cap space do we expect him to do anything this summer?

free agent? what good free agent has ever gone to a small market lottery team? i mean really ever? you need to be good before you can add a good free agent and to get a great one you really have to be 1 of the 5 teams or so...team needs to get to playoffs a couple yrs in a row before team can even get a good one to sign thats just how it is and has been...i mean you can overpay a ok one ? that leads to treadmill and then limits flexibility..for me nothing is better then that

exactly, and that is why many have been looking for trades that would improve the team, trades you @#$@ on every time because you think this team is great and lets just run it back every year.

not because i think team is great...because the trades are bad...big difference

[eyriq]

It’s really stupid to say “let’s keep going with what’s not working” hoping it works out.

It is working, though. We've seen league leading improvements every year.

It's a lot easier to from bad to average and from average to good than it is to go from good to great though.

Sure, regression to the mean and all that. Once we are trying to go from good (we are just now average) to great (next 2/3 years of retooling will get us to good, then Paolo's prime will get us to great) we can revisit, but currently we are crushing the rebuild (bad to average ahead of schedule).

[Knightro]

It is working, though. We've seen league leading improvements every year.

It's a lot easier to from bad to average and from average to good than it is to go from good to great though.

Sure, regression to the mean and all that. Once we are trying to go from good (we are just now average) to great (next 2/3 years of retooling will get us to good, then Paolo's prime will get us to great) we can revisit, but currently we are crushing the rebuild (bad to average ahead of schedule).

I think we're equivalent to the 2021-2022 Cavs right now.

They added LeVert at that year's deadline and eventually they went 44-38 with Garland, Mobley and Allen as their core group. They made the play in tournament which they didn't advance from.

Then that summer they cashed in non-essential pieces (they didn't touch their core) and picks for a 3x all-star in Donovan Mitchell.

I think the Magic are in the same sweet spot. Acquire a useful (but not essential piece) right now at the deadline that can play for you the next couple of years, then take the home run swing this summer.

[JoshuaPotter]

I see the problems some people do and them some.

I also am enjoying the ahead of schedule progress.

2 things can be true at the same time. Zero hope for a trade though.

[eyriq]

It's a lot easier to from bad to average and from average to good than it is to go from good to great though.

Sure, regression to the mean and all that. Once we are trying to go from good (we are just now average) to great (next 2/3 years of retooling will get us to good, then Paolo's prime will get us to great) we can revisit, but currently we are crushing the rebuild (bad to average ahead of schedule).

I think we're equivalent to the 2021-2022 Cavs right now.

They added LeVert at that year's deadline and eventually they went 44-38 with Garland, Mobley and Allen as their core group. They made the play in tournament which they didn't advance from.

Then that summer they cashed in non-essential pieces (they didn't touch their core) and picks for a 3x all-star in Donovan Mitchell.

I think the Magic are in the same sweet spot. Acquire a useful (but not essential piece) right now at the deadline that can play for you the next couple of years, then take the home run swing this summer.

Hmmm, good analogy. I think using the Cavs as a baseline will prove very informative.

[Knightro]

I know people don't like him, but I'd still have my eyes directly on Trae Young this summer.

I think the Magic can build a defense around him and the Hawks have fielded top 10 offenses in each of the last four seasons with him running the show.

[davey_wavy]

We are talking with Atlanta for Murray

[tiderulz]

free agent? what good free agent has ever gone to a small market lottery team? i mean really ever? you need to be good before you can add a good free agent and to get a great one you really have to be 1 of the 5 teams or so...team needs to get to playoffs a couple yrs in a row before team can even get a good one to sign thats just how it is and has been...i mean you can overpay a ok one ? that leads to treadmill and then limits flexibility..for me nothing is better then that

exactly, and that is why many have been looking for trades that would improve the team, trades you @#$@ on every time because you think this team is great and lets just run it back every year.

not because i think team is great...because the trades are bad...big difference

EVERY single trade is bad from your comments

[eyriq]

We are talking with Atlanta for Murray

WOJ (davey_wavy) BOMB SHELL

[MartinsIzAfraud]

exactly, and that is why many have been looking for trades that would improve the team, trades you @#$@ on every time because you think this team is great and lets just run it back every year.

not because i think team is great...because the trades are bad...big difference

EVERY single trade is bad from your comments

it's not worth it anymore

[tiderulz]

Sure, regression to the mean and all that. Once we are trying to go from good (we are just now average) to great (next 2/3 years of retooling will get us to good, then Paolo's prime will get us to great) we can revisit, but currently we are crushing the rebuild (bad to average ahead of schedule).

I think we're equivalent to the 2021-2022 Cavs right now.

They added LeVert at that year's deadline and eventually they went 44-38 with Garland, Mobley and Allen as their core group. They made the play in tournament which they didn't advance from.

Then that summer they cashed in non-essential pieces (they didn't touch their core) and picks for a 3x all-star in Donovan Mitchell.

I think the Magic are in the same sweet spot. Acquire a useful (but not essential piece) right now at the deadline that can play for you the next couple of years, then take the home run swing this summer.

Hmmm, good analogy. I think using the Cavs as a baseline will prove very informative.

I would compare it to the housing market a little. What may be available at the trade deadline may not be available during the summer or it may cost a lost more. Again, not saying make a trade to make a trade, but lets say you target Murray. Atlanta may be more under the gun right now to make a change to help bolster their playoff chances. During the summer, everyone's record is 0-0, so they may sit back and more teams (buyers) may show up looking to change their roster. But i have zero faith in this front office doing anything other than a Harris trade for a 2nd.

[tiderulz]

I know people don't like him, but I'd still have my eyes directly on Trae Young this summer.

I think the Magic can build a defense around him and the Hawks have fielded top 10 offenses in each of the last four seasons with him running the show.

Why would Atlanta trade him?

[BCS]

We are talking with Atlanta for Murray

Did Paolo give the green light after last night?

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[Knightro]

We are talking with Atlanta for Murray

The most seamless/painless deal is Fultz and two firsts for Murray. That works financially.

If they are dead set on keeping Fultz, then Harris/Cole and picks for Murray also works.

[MagicHolland]

We are talking with Atlanta for Murray

We’ve had our share of inside sources over the years.. always fun! Hope you reach god status if this comes true!

I’d welcome Murray if the price is right.

[Knightro]

Why would Atlanta trade him?

Because they're going nowhere and are capped out?

They're 22-28 and don't have any real ability to improve their roster right now.

If they can't find a taker for Murray in the next 24 hours... then what?

I could see Young quietly asking out too, at least if he has any desire to win which I assume he does.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Teams and players who play tonight that the Magic have been rumored interested in.

Atlanta - Murray
Washington- Tyus, Kispert
Toronto- Trent Jr

[tiderulz]

Why would Atlanta trade him?

Because they're going nowhere and are capped out?

They're 22-28 and don't have any real ability to improve their roster right now.

If they can't find a taker for Murray in the next 24 hours... then what?

I could see Young quietly asking out too, at least if he has any desire to win which I assume he does.

but everyone is always wanting a star. you do everything you can to keep your own star and get someone else's.

Trading Murray could improve their roster right now.