Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Gallo deciding between Bucks and Clippers

[emunney]

Thoughts:



2) Once again, people want to trade Middleton because he is alternately a bum or always injured. If that analysis is correct, what team is going to want him? You can argue the Bucks shouldn't have extended him, but claiming he's bad and acting like all these teams will want him, makes no sense.

This is the norm here. "Player X is old/slow/washed/a bum!" followed by "Horst needs to trade player X for someone better!".

It's fun to throw out trade ideas but at the end of the day we have very few tradeable assets with any real value.

Not many teams would want him alone which is why I suggested attaching some value to rid ourselves of that enormous contract. Is that not a smart play?

It's not an enormous contract and it's an extremely bad play.

[Frank Nova]

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Bucks Trade: Portis/Pat C/Beauchamp/Payne
Bucks get: Wiggins/Dunn/Saric

Warriors trade: Wiggins/Saric/2025 2nd / 2026 2nd
Warriors get: Portis/Pat C

Jazz trade: Dunn
Jazz get: Beauchamp/Payne/2025 2nd via CHa / 2026 2nd via ATL

Seems like an eh trade for the Jazz. We don't need a 3rd team with GS, they are our perfect trade partner.

I disagree, Dunn is 30yrs old and Utah isn’t winning a title this year and the whole world knows that. Cashing in on an asset you got insanely lucky in the 1st place he finally turned his career around is good asset management and we know Ainge excels at that. 2 draft picks, a prospect and a plug in play ready replacement is more than a fair price and the Bucks could REALLY use Dunn big time. This trade is a home run for us and solves a lot of roster issues. Sign Pj Tucker after he’s bought out and let him and Saric eat Bobby’s minutes and I’ll be back on track believing this team can win another title.

[Ron Swanson]

A veteran rotation wing with a proven playoff track record making sub-MLE money ($9 mil) does not require attaching an asset to move. A proven playoff 20 PPG scorer on a sub-$30 mil expiring contract next year does not require an attaching an asset to move. This is the part where you guys do that thing where we act like every player we sign to a multi-year contract is the worst asset in sports that nobody wants and it's literally never true. What was even the last "bad" contract we had to pay to move off? Snell?

[Licensed to Il]

The extreme animosity from a minority of posters here, towards Giannis, is bizarre. In ten years from now there will be a statue of him outside the stadium and he'll (most likely) be considered the greatest Wisconsin pro athlete of all time. He's extremely loyal to the small market organization that drafted him. He's already brought a title. He plays hurt. He's never been anywhere close to a scandal. He plays with great joy and effort.

But there are 5-10 guys here that say because he's a bad (pseudo) GM, and a coach killer, and his brother takes a roster spot that we should trade him and start over. Its frankly the worst sports take I've ever heard.

[msiris]

People acting like Pat is a dumpster fire that needs to go yesterday is the epitome of trade season Grass Is Always Greener syndrome.

You know what would be nice if we could get in a trade? A guy that has extensive playoffs / finals experience. A guy who doesn't shrink in the playoffs, and can still shoot and make good decisions under the playoff pressure. Oh, and it would be nice if had had continuity with the current roster, knew how to play with Giannis, etc.

That's Pat, as a known entity, right now. I understand he's not quite as athletic as a few years ago and it's been an up and down season for him, but the way people write him off completely discount all of the things we know he's good for.

(oh, and remember last year when he wasn't in Bud's 10-man rotation? and then by the end of the series, he was the only basically wing off the bench that could be trusted in a 6/7 man rotation?)

Not a good defender and a streaky shooter. The past is the past.

[FrieAaron]

I feel like I've seen maybe 2 people ever say we should consider trading Giannis as even a possibility.

[Prez]

Middleton over the last 2 months going into last night was putting up 17/4/6 on 50/40/87 shooting in 30mpg. He’s 93rd percentile in overall EPM (+3.4), right behind De’Aaron Fox and just above Jimmy Butler.

Our starting 5 in that same 2 month stretch with Khris in there is at a +17.0 net rating in almost 400 minutes. To put that into perspective, that's better than Denver's healthy starting 5, Celtics starting 5, the red hot Knicks' starting 5 with OG, etc.

But apparently, Khris is a “basketball corpse” that “maybe we’ll be able to ramp up to 15mpg by playoff time”, or that we should be desperate to attach assets to get rid of him.

Like give me a **** break dude. I have no issues whatsoever with Middleton trade ideas - literally nobody on this roster but 34 should be off the table, and we should be pursuing every path to get 34 the help he needs. Middleton isn’t the guy he was at his peak, and if there’s a trade out there to make us better involving him, go for it. But some of these posts are just absurd, and frankly disrespectful to a guy who has been a franchise building block for a decade+ and instrumental in the championship run. Like we can talk openly about trade possibilities involving Khris without outright trashing the guy and lying about what he’s been this year.

[LittleRooster]

Middleton over the last 2 months going into last night was putting up 17/4/6 on 50/40/87 shooting in 30mpg. He’s 93rd percentile in overall EPM (+3.4), right behind De’Aaron Fox and just above Jimmy Butler.

Our starting 5 in that same 2 month stretch with Khris in there is at a +17.0 net rating in almost 400 minutes. To put that into perspective, that's better than Denver's healthy starting 5, Celtics starting 5, the red hot Knicks' starting 5 with OG, etc.

But apparently, Khris is a “basketball corpse” that “maybe we’ll be able to ramp up to 15mpg by playoff time”, or that we should be desperate to attach assets to get rid of him.

Like give me a **** break dude. I have no issues whatsoever with Middleton trade ideas - literally nobody on this roster but 34 should be off the table, and we should be pursuing every path to get 34 the help he needs. Middleton isn’t the guy he was at his peak, and if there’s a trade out there to make us better involving him, go for it. But some of these posts are just absurd, and frankly disrespectful to a guy who has been a franchise building block for a decade+ and instrumental in the championship run. Like we can talk openly about trade possibilities involving Khris without outright trashing the guy and lying about what he’s been this year.

Well said


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[Frank Nova]

Khris and Dame both with bum ankles now. Great.

[JimmyTheKid]

The extreme animosity from a minority of posters here, towards Giannis, is bizarre. In ten years from now there will be a statue of him outside the stadium and he'll (most likely) be considered the greatest Wisconsin pro athlete of all time. He's extremely loyal to the small market organization that drafted him. He's already brought a title. He plays hurt. He's never been anywhere close to a scandal. He plays with great joy and effort.

But there are 5-10 guys here that say because he's a bad (pseudo) GM, and a coach killer, and his brother takes a roster spot that we should trade him and start over. Its frankly the worst sports take I've ever heard.

You say bizarre, I say embarrassing. But yeah, both. Like you said, if it was just one or two annoying posters, fine, but you're right, its probably 5-10. And before someone barges in, drooling, with "GIANNIS ISN'T ABOVE CRITICISM" you most likely aren't the ones we're talking about. Unless all you do is criticize the man.

[buckboy]

I am lowering my expectations and announce that I am fine getting Prez and Sam Merrill back.

Just searched were my boy Thon Maker is

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Great. 2 more guys who can't play defense.

[JayMKE]

This board has always been extremely reactive and piled on players/coaches they don't like, ugly thing is when people turn it personal for some weird reason since not only is somebody not playing to expectation reason enough they need them to be a bad person thief fraud bum losers who should be homeless and alone in life.

[German Athens]

I feel like I've seen maybe 2 people ever say we should consider trading Giannis as even a possibility.

There’s a few more than that. You’ll see them periodically pop up on game threads or post playoff losses.

Some seem to want the low expectation teams again, or to blow it up and get a bunch of picks. Others think improving the high end depth would make us better by trading for the likes of jaren Jackson and Desmond bane.

There does seem to be a wider spread undercurrent of people who think Giannis is the main reason why we haven’t won more than one title, or why we won’t win another, though (whether that’s his play limitations, decision making, GMing, demanding his brother be on the team, etc)


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[buckboy]

Saw this on X - Not taking credit for it

Bucks Trade: Portis/Pat C/Beauchamp/Payne
Bucks get: Wiggins/Dunn/Saric

Warriors trade: Wiggins/Saric/2025 2nd / 2026 2nd
Warriors get: Portis/Pat C

Jazz trade: Dunn
Jazz get: Beauchamp/Payne/2025 2nd via CHa / 2026 2nd via ATL

this actually seems kinda fair?

[ReddRum]

This is the norm here. "Player X is old/slow/washed/a bum!" followed by "Horst needs to trade player X for someone better!".

It's fun to throw out trade ideas but at the end of the day we have very few tradeable assets with any real value.

Not many teams would want him alone which is why I suggested attaching some value to rid ourselves of that enormous contract. Is that not a smart play?

We have no good assets to attach. No FRP. MarJon/AJJ? Little to no value. Bobby/Pat? Same. And then we'd be looking at taking back over $40 million in salary with either of them AND Khris. And that team would have to be willing to pay him $65.6 million over the following 2 years.

I just don't see it.

Fair enough, I will be the first to admit I am more of a casual fan so I don't know as much as alot of people on here. This is why I come here, to become educated and to be entertained! I had a feeling this money would had been better served spent elsewhere.

[BuckFan25226]

Take this for what it's worth.



I have a lot of connections in the contracting world.

- BP had major plans at a huge renovation at this current residence that was about to break ground. He was scheduled recently to go into a certain place and pick out selections for said project. That has come to screeching halt. The project has now been reduced to making misc. repairs throughout the home.

- PC - the word is in the same circles is he expects to be gone.

[DingleJerry]

I feel like I've seen maybe 2 people ever say we should consider trading Giannis as even a possibility.

There’s a few more than that. You’ll see them periodically pop up on game threads or post playoff losses.

Some seem to want the low expectation teams again, or to blow it up and get a bunch of picks. Others think improving the high end depth would make us better by trading for the likes of jaren Jackson and Desmond bane.

There does seem to be a wider spread undercurrent of people who think Giannis is the main reason why we haven’t won more than one title, or why we won’t win another, though (whether that’s his play limitations, decision making, GMing, demanding his brother be on the team, etc)


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I'm not one of those guys and obviously he's the primary reason they've won 1 and the primary reason they're even in discussion for more. But TBF the bolded applies to pretty much any #1 superstar when discussing their careers/resumes etc. It has been said about Lebron a zillion times, Shaq, and many others. Or take Embiid, he's the only reason they're so good and have a chance but obviously then the discussion goes another route after that.

If Giannis only gets 1 when being compared to other greats it will be a discussion on what he lacked/did wrong etc that only led to that in spite of being so good. First, missing his FTs vs Tor was a big factor in costing them a title. If he continues to struggle to mesh with LIllard (on paper perfect fit) and/or others going forward that will be a critique. If it is true he chose this idiot coach thats a factor. If he has told them absolute No on trading aging KM and BL that is a factor. And obviously a part of that too is was his roster good enough to get more than 1, for the most part it will be accepted as 'probably not' but then how much meddling he did will get discussed, just like with LBJ.

[BigO]

People acting like Pat is a dumpster fire that needs to go yesterday is the epitome of trade season Grass Is Always Greener syndrome.

You know what would be nice if we could get in a trade? A guy that has extensive playoffs / finals experience. A guy who doesn't shrink in the playoffs, and can still shoot and make good decisions under the playoff pressure. Oh, and it would be nice if had had continuity with the current roster, knew how to play with Giannis, etc.

That's Pat, as a known entity, right now. I understand he's not quite as athletic as a few years ago and it's been an up and down season for him, but the way people write him off completely discount all of the things we know he's good for.

(oh, and remember last year when he wasn't in Bud's 10-man rotation? and then by the end of the series, he was the only basically wing off the bench that could be trusted in a 6/7 man rotation?)

I also remember we lost the series 4-1. I don't think Pat is horrible, but the argument that he should be an important part of the rotation is one I don't buy. He'd be great as a depth piece that ideally isn't needed except for special circumstances.

Or, as an alternative, he'd be great as a veteran presence on a rebuilding team.

[fan230]

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Bucks Trade: Portis/Pat C/Beauchamp/Payne
Bucks get: Wiggins/Dunn/Saric

Warriors trade: Wiggins/Saric/2025 2nd / 2026 2nd
Warriors get: Portis/Pat C

Jazz trade: Dunn
Jazz get: Beauchamp/Payne/2025 2nd via CHa / 2026 2nd via ATL

this actually seems kinda fair?

Seems like a trade that actually could happen & on the surface of it, seems like not a bad trade at all given our trading capabilities at this point.

[Turk Nowitzki]

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Bucks Trade: Portis/Pat C/Beauchamp/Payne
Bucks get: Wiggins/Dunn/Saric

Warriors trade: Wiggins/Saric/2025 2nd / 2026 2nd
Warriors get: Portis/Pat C

Jazz trade: Dunn
Jazz get: Beauchamp/Payne/2025 2nd via CHa / 2026 2nd via ATL

this actually seems kinda fair?

I think we'd probably be giving up the POR 2nd in place of one of those GS picks but this does actually seem pretty realistic. I like this configuration a lot if you want to gamble on Wiggins and his contract. I also think it values Dunn appropriately (Marjon and a couple 2nds seems right) and also nets us another backup big.