DAL - GSW - MIL: Combine the Rumors to get the Deal

[realEAST]

DAL in: A. Wiggins, K. Looney
DAL out: G. Williams, D. Jones jr., R. Holmes, 2025 TOR 2nd

GSW in: B. Portis, R. Holmes
GSW out: A. Wiggins, K. Looney

MIL in: G. Williams, D. Jones jr., 2025 TOR 2nd
MIL out: B. Portis

According to rumors, Bucks are interested in Portis for Williams swap, but want another piece coming in to make sense for them. Derrick Jones jr. is high level and versatile defender they are looking for as a fifth starter. He has shot well to start the year, and even though he has cooled off a bit since then, he is a really good slasher and Dallas had no problem playing him along non shooting big in Lively. Bucks get 2 for 1 deal, and upgrade their 5th starter spot. They also get Toronto 2nd round pick next year, to add to 2024 POR 2nd they already own in order to make another move.

Dallas takes a chance on Wiggins regaining form / motivation, as he showed flashes recently, and they also add a rotation center in Looney to backup Lively. They take a risk with Wiggins contract, but don't give up any key assets to do so, and with getting Looney too, it should be worth a risk. Derrick Jones was great to start the year, but with Josh Green coming into form and taking over starting spot, he could be moved for the right deal.

Warriors try something different, replacing Wiggins with Portis, which they are reportedly thinking about. Portis is different type of player than Wiggins, but he has been better than Wiggins this year and his motor is always at 120%, and he would also fit well between Green and Kuminga. Looney is on the fringes of the rotation for a while now, and with Portis coming in, he is going to fall even further back, so this way Warriors save significant amount of money (8 million in the deal, much more via tax savings). Holmes can be used as low minutes backup, or as a filler in potential subsequent move.

Lillard - Jones jr - Middleton - Giannis - Brook
Payne - Beasley - Connaughton - Crowder - R. Lopez
AJ Green - Jackson - Beauchamp

Irving - Doncic - Green - Wiggins - Lively
Exum - Hardy - Hardaway - Kleber - Looney
Curry - Lawson - Prosper - Powell

Curry - Thompson - Kuminga - Green - Portis
Paul - Moody - Podziemski - Saric - Tracy Jackson
Quinones - Payton - Santos - Holmes

[Mavrelous]

FTR, Stein, Mavs most connected insider, said Mavs interest in Wiggins is "overstated"

[Coxy]

Interesting deal, pretty original too.

I’m a fan of Portis, so I’d do it. Not sure our FO would though.

Seems really good for Dallas. Maybe too good.

Seems pretty terrible for the Bucks.

[NW]

The report was Milwaukee wasn’t doing Portis for Grant Williams. Not sure Jones Jr. And a 2nd changes matters. If it did, Dallas would just cut GS out imo

[realEAST]

FTR, Stein, Mavs most connected insider, said Mavs interest in Wiggins is "overstated"

I saw it, but I also read there were some three team talks and it gave me an idea.
I think Wiggins is player that's most likely to be available, and probably the cheapest one, while - if he turns it around - he could quite possibly be the best of the group.

Kuzma might be too expensive, if Wizards want more than one first round pick, and according to some Wizards are not dead set on moving him (I think Jake Fischer reported that regarding him and Jerami Grant); PJ Washington on the other hand is decent and I have always liked him, but not sure that Charlotte is looking to move him, given next year both Hayward and Bridges could leave, and PJ could start along Miller.

Also, not sure Mavs should give up a 1st to get him - maybe if it was Nick Richards and PJ Washington for Holmes, Curry, lightly protected 1st, but I can see Hornets being hesitant about that deal too.

[nolian]

Lillard - Jones jr - Middleton - Giannis - Brook
Payne - Beasley - Connaughton - Crowder - R. Lopez
AJ Green - Jackson - Beauchamp

Irving - Doncic - Green - Wiggins - Lively
Exum - Hardy - Hardaway - Kleber - Looney
Curry - Lawson - Prosper - Powell

Curry - Thompson - Kuminga - Green - Portis
Paul - Moody - Podziemski - Saric - Tracy Jackson
Quinones - Payton - Santos - Holmes

i don't think Jones Jr can play in the starting five at SG (in the place of Beasley)

i think that if D.Jones Jr remain in Dallas perhaps with Looney to the Bucks, it would be better for all

[realEAST]

The report was Milwaukee wasn’t doing Portis for Grant Williams. Not sure Jones Jr. And a 2nd changes matters. If it did, Dallas would just cut GS out imo

Apparently they were looking for another piece, a defensive minded player that could start for them. I think Jones fills that role, as he did with Dallas too.

His defense is really good, and he can take it to the rim and finish, which somewhat mitigates his shooting, which is not the most reliable, although he has good nights and has been decent this year overall.

Also, they can attach Toronto and Portland second rounders to Connaughton to try and get another upgrade that way.

Personally, I'd rather take a shot on Wiggins, especially with Looney coming in along him, that only Portis - it should address all the needs Dallas has if Wiggins somewhat bounces back, while Portis only solves only part of them (and he still most likely wouldn't start imo) - more so since the difference in price is R. Holmes.

[JayMKE]

Don’t want Grant Williams or Andrew Wiggins tbh, Wiggins is better than Williams by a good amount imo. Derrick Jones, no. If I was at all interested, Id cut Dallas out. Dallas would have to give up real asset along Grant Williams.

[realEAST]

Lillard - Jones jr - Middleton - Giannis - Brook
Payne - Beasley - Connaughton - Crowder - R. Lopez
AJ Green - Jackson - Beauchamp

Irving - Doncic - Green - Wiggins - Lively
Exum - Hardy - Hardaway - Kleber - Looney
Curry - Lawson - Prosper - Powell

Curry - Thompson - Kuminga - Green - Portis
Paul - Moody - Podziemski - Saric - Tracy Jackson
Quinones - Payton - Santos - Holmes

i don't think Jones Jr can play in the starting five at SG (in the place of Beasley)

i think that if D.Jones Jr remain in Dallas perhaps with Looney to the Bucks, it would be better for all

He is super athletic 6'5 guy (7'1 wingspan), so he has physical tools. And they are looking after perimeter defender.
For Dallas, he defended 1-4, but mostly guards, as G. Williams guarded bigger guys to start the season, and with Bucks having good offensive players and shooters around him (Lillard, Middleton, Lopez, Giannis) and him being active without the ball on the offence, I think he could be a part of their starting five.

[Texas Chuck]

Man the expectations for what Dallas should pay for Bobby Portis just seem crazy high. Can't imagine he's actually worth more than Williams, Jones, and a good 2nd round pick. But again if the Bucks can get some other team to pay top dollar for Portis so they can get a player they want, that's super cool. But Dallas isn't going to be your overpay team. Find a team with a bunch of assets who can afford that. Maybe OKC who needs a big will overpay. Dallas can't afford it.


And obviously this is not in reference to the OP's deal so much where Dallas doesn't end up with him, but with the responses suggesting Dallas somehow owes more value. And this after asking for Green, Prosper, a 2nd, and eating Pat C in that other thread.

He's a fine 3rd big. But I'd be stunned if he has the trade value being demanded.

[Swish77]

Mavs need defense. I'm not giving up DJJ in any trade.

[mlloyd10]

Bucks need way more than Williams to give up Portis...I think people are under estimating how little value Williams has. If Dallas is willing to include Josh Green to get Portis, fine...But Milwaukee just looks elsewhere

[oldncreaky]

Interesting concept

I agree with posters who think MIL would have to have another move to replace DJJ in the line up, something like Connaughton + SRPs for a good POA defender

I'm undecided about the Dallas angle. They give up a pleasant surprise (DJJ), a disappointment (GWilliams), and ballast (Holmes + SRP is probably slightly negative). For that, they take a huge, huge risk that will look either brilliant or stupid depending on how Wiggins works out.

For GSW, this has to be about the financial savings this season and beyond

[realEAST]

Interesting concept

I agree with posters who think MIL would have to have another move to replace DJJ in the line up, something like Connaughton + SRPs for a good POA defender

Just wondering, is it because you think Jones jr. is not good enough defender, because he has been really good defending guards in Dallas.
Now, his shooting could be a concern and I can understand that. But his defense is really good.

[Mambomuziki]

From what I have heard even from Woj, GSW are not desperate to save money. Therefore I don't believe they are going to just trade Wiggins , deal has to make sense for them. They are bad defensively and AW is their best POA defender. He has had a bad season so far but they like what he does for them and also the lungs injury he had in the playoffs has affected his play this season.

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[oldncreaky]

Interesting concept

I agree with posters who think MIL would have to have another move to replace DJJ in the line up, something like Connaughton + SRPs for a good POA defender

Just wondering, is it because you think Jones jr. is not good enough defender, because he has been really good defending guards in Dallas.
Now, his shooting could be a concern and I can understand that. But his defense is really good.

I was probably a little to terse with my thoughts on MIL.

I think a MIL team that has Dame as a starter needs a good 3+D guard beside him, and I just don't see Beasley up to the task, and Connaughton doesn't look like a viable option either. The archetype is someone like KCP (obviously way above what MIL can expect to trade for). DJJ is a very good defender at forward -- covering wings, weak side rim protection, switching -- but he is not a guard, and would hurt the offence a lot trying to play him there.

MIL needs a guard who can defend at the POA to avoid being stuck with the choice between playing a line-up that can score, or playing a line up that can defend.

[dirkforpres]

I feel like GSW isnt getting enough and Dallas is (maybe) getting too much. Maybe if the Mavs rerouted Hardy or another 2nd rounder to Golden State then that would be pretty fair for all.

They probably dont consider any DJJ trades, but i do feel like him and Wiggins could at least replicate each other's production on Dallas so i would say yes.

[realEAST]

Interesting concept

I agree with posters who think MIL would have to have another move to replace DJJ in the line up, something like Connaughton + SRPs for a good POA defender

Just wondering, is it because you think Jones jr. is not good enough defender, because he has been really good defending guards in Dallas.
Now, his shooting could be a concern and I can understand that. But his defense is really good.

I was probably a little to terse with my thoughts on MIL.

I think a MIL team that has Dame as a starter needs a good 3+D guard beside him, and I just don't see Beasley up to the task, and Connaughton doesn't look like a viable option either. The archetype is someone like KCP (obviously way above what MIL can expect to trade for). DJJ is a very good defender at forward -- covering wings, weak side rim protection, switching -- but he is not a guard, and would hurt the offence a lot trying to play him there.

MIL needs a guard who can defend at the POA to avoid being stuck with the choice between playing a line-up that can score, or playing a line up that can defend.

Yeah, OK, I assumed it is something like this. And I completely see where you are coming from. But I don't think it is as problematic.

My thinking was, since Bucks have Lillard, Giannis and Middleton who can all handle the ball and initiate offence, and with Brook being great shooter, DJJ wouldn't have to play on ball at all - he can catch and shoot and attack closeouts (which he is pretty good at), while being a very good and switchable defender 1-4, who offers them ability to combine different lineups.
(he can play on wing when Beasley enters for Middleton or Lillard, can play along G. Williams when he is for any of the guys, or if they really want to go small with Giannis at C, DJJ can play PF).

He doesn't have particular on ball skills, apart from attacking closeouts, but along other guys, that wouldn't be problem imo.

[Warriorfan]

Rather just have Wiggins and Looney because of past playoff contributions as known fits in GS systems

[Kencapers68]

The Bucks were never interested in trading for Grant it was the other way around. The Bucks would never do this trade.