Monte Morris to Minn

[theBigLip]

2nds have some value in trades its not alot but small pockets of value add up over a decade and then every few years you spike a guy like BBjr or Sasser. Thats why I was annoyed we didnt add 5 extra ones in that Bey deal last year rather then Troys man crush Wiseman, In this case though we traded a better 2nd to get a worse one a year later.

Trashman Troy is consistently putting on a clinic on how to downgrade a pile of trash into a less valued pile of trash.

So it’s Weaver’s fault Morris was injured all year?

Its Weaver fault knowing Minn wanted Morris(we all knew it their was a damn article about it)all he could get out of them is a worse 2nd then he traded for him.

Its 1million% on the trashman he traded Bey for a terrible fitting Wiseman rather then adding 5 2nd rounders.

SRPs in the NBA are not worth that much. If you can get a rotational player with one you’re doing great. But those guys are not much different than what you get w near min free agents. NBD.

Wiseman was a swing for the fences. That’s what you do on the fringes. You win some and lose some. That didn’t ruin our cap, so again, NBD.

[buzzkilloton]

So it’s Weaver’s fault Morris was injured all year?

Its Weaver fault knowing Minn wanted Morris(we all knew it their was a damn article about it)all he could get out of them is a worse 2nd then he traded for him.

Its 1million% on the trashman he traded Bey for a terrible fitting Wiseman rather then adding 5 2nd rounders.

SRPs in the NBA are not worth that much. If you can get a rotational player with one you’re doing great. But those guys are not much different than what you get w near min free agents. NBD.

Wiseman was a swing for the fences. That’s what you do on the fringes. You win some and lose some. That didn’t ruin our cap, so again, NBD.

No Wiseman was a clear you shouldnt even be at the mound in the first place.

Its just more of Trash man Troys poor asset management. Hes just a bad GM if we had a better owner we would of already canned him. This will be the only head GM job Troy will land in ITL.

New Detroit grade: F

A year ago, the Pistons' bet on the 2020 No. 2 overall draft pick looked questionable given their depth at center, including then-rookie Jalen Duren. Now, it has proved a costly mistake. Wiseman has entirely fallen out of the rotation in Detroit in favor of journeyman Mike Muscala and seems certain to head elsewhere as a restricted free agent. The Pistons would have been better off either just keeping Saddiq Bey, who's making $7.5 million less than Wiseman this season, or pocketing the five second-round picks the Atlanta Hawks gave up for Bey as part of this four-team deal.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39464998/2024-nba-trade-deadline-regrading-last-year-deals

[BadMofoPimp]

From his post on twitter, I do think its possible that Weaver went to him and let him know playoff teams are calling wanting a backup PG.... and asked if him if he wanted out. Weaver knows and Morris knows that you can earn a solid amount in your next contract if you get on a playoff team and make a splash in the playoffs. Just look at Gabe Vincent getting a 3 year $33 million deal last summer after a string of 20+ point games in the Heat's run to the Finals.

There’s always a chance we sign him in the summer after doing him a solid. Never know specially with Minny’s payroll.

You mean if he does well in Minnesota and his stock rises so the Pistons can pay even more to sign him?

[theBigLip]

Its Weaver fault knowing Minn wanted Morris(we all knew it their was a damn article about it)all he could get out of them is a worse 2nd then he traded for him.

Its 1million% on the trashman he traded Bey for a terrible fitting Wiseman rather then adding 5 2nd rounders.

SRPs in the NBA are not worth that much. If you can get a rotational player with one you’re doing great. But those guys are not much different than what you get w near min free agents. NBD.

Wiseman was a swing for the fences. That’s what you do on the fringes. You win some and lose some. That didn’t ruin our cap, so again, NBD.

No Wiseman was a clear you shouldnt even be at the mound in the first place.

Its just more of Trash man Troys poor asset management. Hes just a bad GM if we had a better owner we would of already canned him. This will be the only head GM job Troy will land in ITL.

New Detroit grade: F

A year ago, the Pistons' bet on the 2020 No. 2 overall draft pick looked questionable given their depth at center, including then-rookie Jalen Duren. Now, it has proved a costly mistake. Wiseman has entirely fallen out of the rotation in Detroit in favor of journeyman Mike Muscala and seems certain to head elsewhere as a restricted free agent. The Pistons would have been better off either just keeping Saddiq Bey, who's making $7.5 million less than Wiseman this season, or pocketing the five second-round picks the Atlanta Hawks gave up for Bey as part of this four-team deal.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39464998/2024-nba-trade-deadline-regrading-last-year-deals

I don’t think there is much thought into probability or risk management going on here. You realize the “F” is the new grade. It wasn’t an “F” at the time because many people thought it was a smart move to see if Wiseman could improve if he got some playing time instead of being buried on the bench for a championship team.

There is a big difference between a decision and a result. Bad results don’t mean it was a bad decision. Most decisions people make are probabilities. Whether it is 50/50 or 90/10, one still doesn’t know the outcome, so they make the best decision they can with the information they have at the time.

The other part of the decision is risk/reward. If the risk is not much (a couple of SRPs), but the reward is potentially high starting center) it allows you to take more of a risk.

[Snakebites]

What’s frustrating about that deal is we GOT good value for Bey!

We just didn’t take it. We took Wiseman instead.

[GreekAlex]

What’s frustrating about that deal is we GOT good value for Bey!

We just didn’t take it. We took Wiseman instead.

The crime wasn’t wondering what the mystery package of wiseman was because it seemed like the Warriors were too busy winning to focus on development.

The crime was getting him when at his best, he’d completely overlap with your rookie lottery pick center who was showing tons of potential.

[buzzkilloton]

SRPs in the NBA are not worth that much. If you can get a rotational player with one you’re doing great. But those guys are not much different than what you get w near min free agents. NBD.

Wiseman was a swing for the fences. That’s what you do on the fringes. You win some and lose some. That didn’t ruin our cap, so again, NBD.

No Wiseman was a clear you shouldnt even be at the mound in the first place.

Its just more of Trash man Troys poor asset management. Hes just a bad GM if we had a better owner we would of already canned him. This will be the only head GM job Troy will land in ITL.

New Detroit grade: F

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https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39464998/2024-nba-trade-deadline-regrading-last-year-deals

I hated the deal at the time not everyone liked it.

Its not as simple as risk reward. Their is only so many developmental minutes you can give your young players. You dont want a team full of low basketball IQ project players as those are the players that your young guys work with and against. I would much rather have a solid vet getting paid money that can show Duren how to be a pro then have a roster full of Bagleys and Wisemans.

Weaver has loaded up on guys he highly regarded as prospects that are clear low IQ busts non stop. Josh Jackson,Bagley,Knox, RJ Hampton, Wiseman,Okafor, Lyles the list goes on. This is your teams culture being built when these are the guys you keep chasing. Its no wonder we only have 6 wins and get worse every season.

[Fennis Dembo]

2nds have some value in trades its not alot but small pockets of value add up over a decade and then every few years you spike a guy like BBjr or Sasser. Thats why I was annoyed we didnt add 5 extra ones in that Bey deal last year rather then Troys man crush Wiseman, In this case though we traded a better 2nd to get a worse one a year later.

Trashman Troy is consistently putting on a clinic on how to downgrade a pile of trash into a less valued pile of trash.

So it’s Weaver’s fault Morris was injured all year?

How many more wins do you imagine a healthy Morris us?

[theBigLip]

2nds have some value in trades its not alot but small pockets of value add up over a decade and then every few years you spike a guy like BBjr or Sasser. Thats why I was annoyed we didnt add 5 extra ones in that Bey deal last year rather then Troys man crush Wiseman, In this case though we traded a better 2nd to get a worse one a year later.

Trashman Troy is consistently putting on a clinic on how to downgrade a pile of trash into a less valued pile of trash.

So it’s Weaver’s fault Morris was injured all year?

How many more wins do you imagine a healthy Morris us?

I’m sure Morris would have been better than Hayes. Not sure how many wins difference that is.

But that wasn’t my point. My point was the return we got by trading him away versus what we paid to get him. There’s a lot of posts saying that’s proof that Weaver sucks because we got back a lesser 2nd. I’m sure that was all we could get for him, and his value is less than last year because he was injured. That was my point.

[LondonWolf91]

T-wolves fan here coming in peace.

TBJ is a good player and nobody is sure why he wasn’t getting minutes some games.

Played good defense, good effort and really good shooting the 3. Think you guys can keep him and will see a good player.

Shake, on the other hand, we signed to be the backup PG as he showed promise in Philly but he was probably the worst signing we have made in a while.

Good luck - it’s potentially a good deal for both teams. We desperately needed a backup PG. Definitely our most glaring need.

[Saltine]

This is correct, TBJ played some good ball for us, great attitude as well. I hope he gets some minutes in Detroit, he's a baller. Don't have a clue what is up with Shake...